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Innominate


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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
#8051483 - 02/21/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's his fucking money, why should it piss anyone off?
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WScott
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Innominate]
#8051520 - 02/21/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Innominate said: It's his fucking money, why should it piss anyone off?
That and the contractors, landscapers, architects, etc. all will be making a living off this financial spending. It trickles down, but it still pisses me off to extent that someone so fortunate wishes to have three helipads when there are people starving, even in his own country.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: WScott]
#8051523 - 02/21/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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We're all assuming this man does not give to charity. Why?
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druqs
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didn't the US just spend 10mil on one space bullet?
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Lion
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Even if he does give to charity...He is still spending one thousand million dollars on a personal abode.
It's just a personal value judgment on my part, of course.
Also, the guy inherited money from his father's success, he did not make it himself.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051556 - 02/21/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The good thing is that his house will be employing about 600 workers to run it. That's 600 people that will have jobs you know. But it is still rididculous, I mean, $1 billion house. The money wasn't eve earned by him, it was his father, I bet his father would be like wtf, waste of money.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051561 - 02/21/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lion said: For the record, I don't have any strong opinions about putting a cap on income...I definitely think it would be reasonable to ensure through legislation that no one human beings has more wealth than an entire nation, but I don't know enough about economics to argue in favor of something like that.
It's more that I'm just disgusted with the ways many wealthy people spend their money. Just a personal thing.
Its your right to be disgusted just as it's his right to have his billion dollar house.
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Out of the 1000 plus billionares in the world, how many do you honestly think came across that money ethically? Would it really effect their standard of living to cap their earnings?
I'm not gun-ho on this issue, I just think it's a rational safeguard to protect our society from abuse. Such wealth, and therefore power, seems like a major threat to democracy.
(This is all theoretical, so if anyone disagrees, just give me your arguments opposing this viewpoint. I definitely empathize with the view that people should be able to spend what they earn, but many people who take this side can't really visualize how much money this really is that we're talking about.)
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051581 - 02/21/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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if i had that kind of money i would have a baller ass place like that too, although instead of a skyrise i would want a fucking castle or something with a ton of land and extravagent property. idk if id drop a billion on it though that seems like alot. dude prob has fucking plasma tvs inside the toilets so when he drops a number two and checks to make sure everythings alright he can check his stocks lol.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Lion]
#8051609 - 02/21/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lion said: Even if he does give to charity...He is still spending one thousand million dollars on a personal abode.
25% of Indians earn less than 40 cents a day. I spent the annual income of one of these people, in one night, on a fancy dinner and a concert not long ago. Is that appalling? Should I be ashamed?
Where is the line between what is reasonable and what is extravagant?
Which side do you think you're on?
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
#8051612 - 02/21/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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plus: he will die before i do.
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Ok but should he feel bad because he has money and those people don't? Should I feel bad because I make more than them? As far as I know there is nothing preventing those people from saving up some money and starting life anew in the US or somewhere where they can have a better life and a chance at wealth. Even if those people are stuck that way, is it anyone's fault? Should any one person feel guilty? NO! That's a government issue, not a personal one. Don't hate on this guy for being lucky.
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Which side do you think you're on?
I'm not on anyone's side. I don't have much money but I don't indulge much with my spending, and I give plenty of it away when there's someone or some cause I think is worthwhile. I guess I am definitely on the side of not spending one thousand million dollars on a personal abode.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Innominate]
#8051660 - 02/21/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it's his choice, but I still think it's pretty damn stupid.
How in the hell is going to keep up with those costs? He's going to have to pay so many workers, and pay sooo much to maintain that house. Not to mention it's going to be a pain in the ass to get around that house. And even he does find a way to get around, a lot of it will be under construction all the time because there are so many opportunities for shit to go wrong. He'll probably forget he has some stuff too and neglect it.
The other thing that's stupid about it, is that when you invest in society you benefit not just them but YOU. He'll have a nice pretty home, but his neighborhood is still going to be cruddy. Depressing things are still going to happen around him. There still won't be much to do outside of his house. If he wants to live luxuriously, he's always going to have to stay in his house unless he travels really far. But his money won't last, and will definitely run out far quicker if he has to go to Japan all the time to visit his favorite park or whatever.
He will only live luxuriously in the short term. And if he stays indoors all the time.
He's not greedy per se, just not a good planner.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Innominate]
#8051671 - 02/21/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Innominate said: As far as I know there is nothing preventing those people from saving up some money and starting life anew in the US or somewhere where they can have a better life and a chance at wealth.
Any person below India's poverty line, who was somehow able to save 50% of his income, would need to save for about 40 years just for a plane ticket to the US. The immigration process isn't exactly a picnic either, but he'd never make it to that point.
Don't kid yourself; most people do not have a chance at monetary wealth.
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But you didn't address my point. Even if that is true, how is hating this guy for his wealth going to help? Would it be fair to take HIS money away from him to help fix the problems of his country? That's bullshit. It has nothing to do with him, his government needs to get their shit together.
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Honestly I think anyone who is upset with this guy is just secretly jelous that they don't have that kind of cash, becuase if they did they would spend it on much 'worthier causes'.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: bradmassive]
#8051726 - 02/21/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Money is just a numeral system to measure access to resources. I don't think the way everything is set up now, we are effectively using our Earth, which we all own. We control its use and can decide to stop these individuals from wasting what could be utilized better. We are just all too used to a society where we have to take our power and people own other people in effect. I hope this will change to some extent within my lifetime.
I know this is viewed as extremism by most people, but it's what I really think and wouldn't sound crazy at all if it were the world we were brought up in.
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Re: Does this upset you? [Re: Ferris]
#8051737 - 02/21/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferris said: Money is just a numeral system to measure access to resources. I don't think the way everything is set up now, we are effectively using our Earth, which we all own. We control its use and can decide to stop these individuals from wasting what could be out to better use. We are just all too used to a society where we have to take our power and people own other people in effect. I hope this will change to some extent within my lifetime.
So your a communist right?
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