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Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take"
    #8049857 - 02/20/08 10:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was doing a search on drug policy and ran across this.
Probobly one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

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What is the worst illegal drug to take?

A question often asked by many students is, “What is the worst drug?” Of course the answer is relative to viewpoint and what kind of damage is caused, whether it is physical damage, emotional pain and suffering, damage to the family, cost involved, or some kind of combination.

It has been suggested that, while drugs like crack, heroin and meth are extremely deadly, hallucinogens like LSD (acid) are the ones with the worst lingering effects. The reason is because they alter the mind and its perceptions, and people can have “acid flashbacks” for many years after they stopped taking the drug.

LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) is one of the major drugs making up the hallucinogen class of drugs. Hallucinogens cause hallucinations—profound distortions in a person’s perception of reality. Under the influence of hallucinogens, people see images, hear sounds, and feel sensations that seem real but do not exist. Some hallucinogens also produce rapid, intense emotional swings.

The effects of LSD are unpredictable. They depend on the amount taken; the user's personality, mood, and expectations; and the surroundings in which the drug is used. Usually, the user feels the first effects of the drug about 30 minutes after taking it. The physical effects include dilated pupils, higher body temperature, increased heart rate and blood pressure, sweating, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, and tremors.

Users refer to their experience with LSD as a "trip" and when it is a frightening experience it is called a "bad trip." These experiences are long; typically they begin to clear after about 12 hours. Some LSD users experience severe, terrifying thoughts and feelings, fear of losing control, fear of insanity, death and despair while using LSD. Some fatal accidents have occurred during states of LSD intoxication and people have been known to get stuck in a bad trip and display extreme paranoia or psychosis.

Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered a physically addictive drug since it does not produce intense physical cravings like other drugs. However, a tolerance to the drug can still build, requiring more of the toxin to be ingested to experience another trip.

Use of hallucinogens, and especially LSD, has decreased in recent years. In fact, according to the Monitoring the Future Survey, 0.7 percent of high school seniors reported past-month use. The rate is still higher than the overall usage, where only 0.1 percent of people aged 12 or older used the drug in the last 30 days prior to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

It seems to be catching on that it is one of the worst drugs, as evidenced by the drop in usage. Why risk becoming a vegetable?




http://www.addictionhelpservices.com/blog/2007/02/what-is-worst-illegal-drug-to-take.html

Ok, so this is a place for addiction help and they tell you that LSD is worse for you than taking crack, heroin or meth?! Because you'll get flashbacks and turn into a vegetable! Better stick with that crystal meth.

Funny that they used to use LSD to cure alcoholism...


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8049870 - 02/20/08 10:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck them.:shrug:

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Tangerines]
    #8049883 - 02/20/08 10:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Are they allowed to call it a toxin?
That shouldn't be allowed.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #8049908 - 02/20/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's scary the kind of shit that kids brains are getting filled with, why can't anyone just be honest for once?


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8049909 - 02/20/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They need to rephrase that to: "What is the worst drug for irresponsible and uneducated people to take?"

Don't buy into propaganda. No good can come from that.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8049960 - 02/20/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Have they ever stopped to think that maybe all their propaganda is actually the cause of all the things they say? Usually (not always) when people have bad trips, the reason is because they are worried about having a bad experience from the get-go, or they are already experiencing paranoia for whatever reason. Most first time users have some anxiety about tripping because they have heard so much bad rap about hallucinogens that it starts to get under their skin, and that in turn effects their trip.

If we told all the kids that LSD would make you feel dreamy, see pretty images, and give you a positive outlook on life, I think there would be a lot less bad trips and mental cases out there. Just a hypothesis.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8049971 - 02/20/08 11:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Truth be told - keeping LSD illegal has presented some serious research from finding all the benefits acid has to offer.
We already know about its ability to abort migraine and cluster headaches.
We know it has at least a 50% cure rate for alcoholism.
I'm almost certain it would be a valuable aid in curing some types of psychoses as well.
We're not gonna know for sure until the fucking government gets their collective head out of their ass and wises up.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8049979 - 02/20/08 11:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"Hallucinogens cause hallucinations"

oooooooooo is that what they did i never new


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Coaster]
    #8050000 - 02/20/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if the people writing these things know that, at best, SSRI's are as "damaging" as LSD in terms of bodily effects and dependance development.

At least LSD is pretty specific to a subtype of receptor, SSRI's generally just flood the snynapse, leading to whatever effects acid would lead to, as well as more sever tolerance.

Adjusted for typical usage, and SSRI's are far "worse"...

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: johnm214]
    #8050007 - 02/20/08 11:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But they made SSRI's legal because you can't trip from those, at least, not in the recommended dosages.
And let's not forget that phamaceutacal companies get big money from the sales of said drugs.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050037 - 02/20/08 11:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you man. I don't understand how the government can turn their heads away from all the problems that alcohol and cigarrettes cause while keeping them legal, and not realize that LSD/shrooms/pot are basically no worse. Actually, all of those substances have more clinically proven benefits than alcohol or cigarettes. If the government is willing to let us fuck ourselves over with alcoholism and lung cancer, than we can't we fuck ourselves over with psychosis and a little bit of mental instability?

What the government should do, as with alcohol, is set a legal age for substances like this. Once you reach that age, if you wanna become a junkie than thats your own problem. We'd have laws against tripping and driving, as well as tripping over a certain dosage. To sell it/make you'd have to have a license.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050057 - 02/20/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you on everything except the restriction of dosage part.
That's completely up to the user to decide how much they want to use.
We have no such restrictions for alcohol or tobacco, so why apply them to drugs which aren't as dangerous?

As long as there's some way to convince the government that they will make massive amounts of money from the sale and taxation of psychedelic drugs, I see no reason why they shouldn't legalize them for responsible adults.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050075 - 02/20/08 11:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, we do have restrictions on alcohol. Theres the whole BAC levels for driving...actually I guess that is the only thing it applies to. So yeah, i mean if your just gonna trip in your home I'd say no restrictions on dosage.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050095 - 02/20/08 11:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When it comes to driving, or operating any heavy/dangerous machinery for that matter, then no amount of drugs should be tolerated.
Safety does come first, after all.
I'm taking into account the safety of others who may happen to be in the vicinity of the person using the machines.
Don't need them getting injured then seeking lawsuits.

If someone wants to dose up in their own home without any pending responsibilities in the works, then that's fine by me.
Let them take whatever amount they wish.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8050105 - 02/20/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Article should have said:


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What is the most fun illegal drug to take?

A question often asked by many students is, “What is the most fun drug?” Of course the answer is relative to viewpoint and what kind of enojyment is caused, whether it is physical enjoyment, emotional enjoyment and fun, enjoyment for the family, cost involved, or some kind of combination.

It has been suggested that, while drugs like crack, heroin and meth are extremely fun, hallucinogens like LSD (acid) are the ones with the coolest lingering effects. The reason is because they alter the mind and its perceptions, and people can have “acid flashbacks” for many years after they stopped taking the drug.

LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) is one of the major drugs making up the hallucinogen class of drugs. Hallucinogens cause hallucinations—profound distortions in a person’s perception of reality. Under the influence of hallucinogens, people see images, hear sounds, and feel sensations that seem real but do not exist. Some hallucinogens also produce rapid, intense emotional swings.

The effects of LSD are great. They depend on the amount taken; the user's personality, mood, and expectations; and the surroundings in which the drug is used. Usually, the user feels the first effects of the drug about 30 minutes after taking it. The physical effects include dilated pupils, higher body temperature, increased heart rate and blood pressure, sweating, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, tremors, and the ability to dance like a prick.

Users refer to their experience with LSD as a "trip" and when it is a frightening experience it is called a "bad trip." These experiences are long; typically they begin to clear after about 12 hours. Some LSD users experience severe, pleasant thoughts and feelings, fear of losing their car keys, fear of falling through the floor while using LSD. Some fatal accidents have occurred during states of LSD intoxication and people have been known go food shopping butt ass naked.

Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered a physically addictive drug since it does not produce intense physical cravings like other drugs. However, a tolerance to the drug can still build, requiring more of the chemical to be ingested to experience another trip.

Use of hallucinogens, and especially LSD, has decreased in recent years. In fact, according to the Monitoring the Future Survey, 0.7 percent of high school seniors reported past-month use. The rate is still higher than the overall usage, where only 0.1 percent of people aged 12 or older used the drug in the last 30 days prior to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

It seems to be catching on that it is one of the best drugs, ever, as evidenced by the rise in fun. Why not risk becoming "enlightened"?







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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: fapjack]
    #8050153 - 02/21/08 12:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What a horrible piece... fuck them


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050167 - 02/21/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here is a copy of a list of drug related deaths in the UK.

UK drug death figures: deaths per annum
Alcohol- 4.235
Tobacco- 120,000
The Herb- 1
LSD- 0
Peanuts- 7
Viagra- 7
Ecstasy- 4

Now the fact that peanuts and viagra kill more people than ganja and LSD kind of scares me. Why is this not what we are telling our kids? How many anti-alcohol campaigns are out there?

And heres something else. This blurb sounds WAY more scary to me than anything they say about LSD

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Beverage alcohol (i.e., ethanol) is a psychoactive drug that changes brain chemistry and can become lethal in high doses. Alcohol poisoning is an acute toxic condition resulting from exposure to excessive quantities of alcohol within a short period of time.

Rapid consumption of large quantities of alcohol can overload the liver’s metabolic capacity, causing the blood alcohol concentration [BAC] to rise rapidly. At BACs of 0.25 to 0.40 grams/deciliter, alcohol poisoning can lead to slurred speech, ataxia, stupor, coma, and eventually to death [Seller and Kalant 1976; Poikolainen and Vuori 1985]. Alcohol poisoning is a result of extremely high levels of intoxication. With 20 drinks in 1 hour, an average male weighing 160 pounds could reach a BAC level beyond 0.40 grams/deciliter. At this point, the brain centers that control the heart and lungs are partially anesthetized and coma or death may occur [Kinney 2000].




Sounds like the worst legal drug to me.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050207 - 02/21/08 12:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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BrainChemistry said:
Here is a copy of a list of drug related deaths in the UK.

UK drug death figures: deaths per annum
The Herb- 1
Peanuts- 7




OK so how did weed cause a death?
And how the fuck do peanuts cause deaths?

I totally agree that 20 shots of booze could kill someone in an hour.
I also know that 20 hits of LSD would not kill anyone in an hour,
assuming they don't do something stupid to get themselves killed.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050211 - 02/21/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

people are deathly allergic to peanuts bro.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Tangerines]
    #8050216 - 02/21/08 12:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That may be true, but I don't know a single one who is allergic to them. :shrug:
Besides, I'm not including allergies as a reason for a substance being lethal.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050255 - 02/21/08 12:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure how ganja killed somebody. Has anyone ever heard of having an allergic reaction to cannabis? I mean i guess its always possible. The only other thing I can think of is if the person had some other kind of condition already that was intensified by smoking, like a heart or lung problem. I dunno.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050366 - 02/21/08 01:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I know a girl who's allergic to cannabis (she gets all puffy and has trouble breathing when she smokes) but it isn't life-threatening, and it's the only person I've ever heard of having that problem.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: mayfly]
    #8050397 - 02/21/08 02:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i've heard allergies to cannabis, and maybe those people choked on the peanuts?

and who knows, are profits from legalization going to exceed the profits from the drug war? they're making money from taxes and jailing people, why fix a bad thing?

i dunno, maybe taxing legal drugs might be more profitable actually.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8050488 - 02/21/08 04:05 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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and who knows, are profits from legalization going to exceed the profits from the drug war? they're making money from taxes and jailing people, why fix a bad thing?




you realize it costs money to jail people?


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: doitagain]
    #8050583 - 02/21/08 06:12 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

wow, that article was so horribly written I feel as though an 11 year old just decided to write what came across their mind (beefing up the verbage just a smidge).

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050596 - 02/21/08 06:20 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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UK drug death figures: deaths per annum
The Herb- 1






exactly how did someone die from using marijuana?

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8050625 - 02/21/08 06:46 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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they're making money from taxes and jailing people, why fix a bad thing?




why fix a bad thing.... Hmmm, maybe because it's bad

as for "they're making money by...", keep in mind that it's
the government making money, not the citizens, it doesnt
trickle back down to us, it only goes to line the pockets of
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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8050633 - 02/21/08 06:50 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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as for "they're making money by...", keep in mind that it's
the government making money, not the citizens, it doesnt
trickle back down to us, it only goes to line the pockets of
those holding the power



what about that whole "budget" thing? ya know - where they spend trillions of dollars? that gets tricked down into the economy? multiplier FTW

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: memes]
    #8050686 - 02/21/08 07:23 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

spending trillions by sending money to fight foreign wars,
'peace keeping' missions in croatia and serbia, loans to
foriegn sovereignties that are never repaid, black bag ops
by our government all over the world... this all comes back?

the DoD cant even manage to produce an accounting in the
last 5 years for all the money....

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8050794 - 02/21/08 08:15 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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spending trillions by sending money to fight foreign wars,
'peace keeping' missions in croatia and serbia, loans to
foriegn sovereignties that are never repaid, black bag ops
by our government all over the world... this all comes back?

the DoD cant even manage to produce an accounting in the
last 5 years for all the money....



no, none of the things you mentioned come back to our economy. was this on purpose? why not make mention of the billions in domestic programs and subsidies, government contracts given to domestic contractors and organizations, and things of that nature?

Not only does the govt invest the principle payment, but wealth accumulated as a result of that funding is subject to the multiplier effect that recirculates these monies through the cash cycle time and time again. The multiplier effect is larger in economies where the marginal propensity to consume (% of income that is spent in consumption) is higher. So, for example, Govt money spent in the US is circulated many times over (due to our nonexistent savings), whereas govt spending in Japan may get cycled through the system far fewer times, due to their relatively high savings rates.

I don't really have the time (or necessarily want to) argue about whether money we give the gov't gets back to us, because it's a subjective matter with heavy arguments for both sides. But don't just write it off as "none of it is coming back to us" or whatever I originally contested against

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: memes]
    #8050834 - 02/21/08 08:30 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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no, none of the things you mentioned come back to our economy. was this on purpose? why not make mention of the billions in domestic programs and subsidies





you mean like welfare? that only takes from the economy,
I mean if someone isnt working, paying taxes and simply
sponge off the rest of us, is anything really going back
into the economy?

what about farm subsidies, they go out to huge
corporations like monsanto, conagra and HJ heinz, the
small farmers that dont have billions in assets to draw
from for growth yet they have to meet certain criteria to
even be considered for this money, for instance I'd have
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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: memes]
    #8050848 - 02/21/08 08:34 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

hes trying to point out that the gov't claims to budget trillions into our economy each year in numerous ways but in reality they cant even produce the accounting (which,by law, they are supposed to have to do) showing they spent that money on anything other than themselves and the types of things prisoner#1 mentioned


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8050854 - 02/21/08 08:37 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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you mean like welfare? that only takes from the economy,
I mean if someone isnt working, paying taxes and simply
sponge off the rest of us, is anything really going back
into the economy?

what about farm subsidies, they go out to huge
corporations like monsanto, conagra and HJ heinz, the
small farmers that dont have billions in assets to draw
from for growth yet they have to meet certain criteria to
even be considered for this money, for instance I'd have
to upgrade my tracter to a model that costs $80k in order
to recieve a single $25k subsidy



Why is it that every time I make a broad statement that is UNCONTESTABLE (ex: the government budget puts money into our economy), you cite a few specific examples that fit your argument?

Of course you can find bad programs and governmental loopholes that don't make sense. We're talking about the management and manipulation (good manipulation) of an ENTIRE ECONOMY here. Not everything is going to work perfectly, or even relatively well for that matter.

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I'm going to class now, and have a busy day - so by the time i get home this thread will be on page 5 or 6 of the pub. As a result, this will most likely be my last post in here.

In conclusion - please drop your closed-minded viewpoints that the government is no good and accept that they help us in a very real and very large way. (no, it's not perfect. No, not everything helps. Yes, some things hurt. Yes, a lot of government officials get paid in the process. No, none of it matters).

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: ashfiken]
    #8050862 - 02/21/08 08:38 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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hes trying to point out that the gov't claims to budget trillions into our economy each year in numerous ways but in reality they cant even produce the accounting (which,by law, they are supposed to have to do) showing they spent that money on anything other than themselves and the types of things prisoner#1 mentioned



it's the departmenet of defense. they do whatever they want -


edit: just thought of this. Usually - I wouldn't consider the department of defense as an expenditure that gets trickled back down into our economy. But just yesterday I was talking to a friend of mine who's dad is a defense contractor who's business picked up significantly after 9/11. As a result of these increased government contracts they're receiving, the firm (who has stockholders that accumulate wealth as a result of their investment, i'm assuming) gains revenues... which it pays to employees, who get income, who spend their money in stores, which receive it and pay it to their own employees, and so on and so forth, multiplier effect working for us again.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: memes]
    #8050872 - 02/21/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

as of right now the ENTIRE ECONOMY is being flushed down the toilet by upper class bureaucrats who care only for the money they are swiping from everyone else as we speak


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: ashfiken]
    #8050876 - 02/21/08 08:42 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

its not just the DoD though they all do what they want b/c we dont do shit about it


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: ashfiken]
    #8050878 - 02/21/08 08:42 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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as of right now the ENTIRE ECONOMY is being flushed down the toilet by upper class bureaucrats who care only for the money they are swiping from everyone else as we speak



do you really go around speaking such ignorant statements?

i'm an economist. you are? a stoner?

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: memes]
    #8050900 - 02/21/08 08:48 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

even not being an economist there is so much a slightly intellectual individual can perceive correctly even w/o choosing a drab ass major like you did. you can take your 4 year macroeconomics degree and shove it bc it changes not what is really happening around us whether you choose to be aware of it or not


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050901 - 02/21/08 08:48 AM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Here is a copy of a list of drug related deaths in the UK.

UK drug death figures: deaths per annum
Alcohol- 4.235
Tobacco- 120,000
The Herb- 1
LSD- 0
Peanuts- 7
Viagra- 7
Ecstasy- 4






do tell where you got this information at.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: THEBats]
    #8052006 - 02/21/08 01:57 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Part 2: On the same search I found a few sites for yes, "LSD Addiction" Treatment. Here is one I found:
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Getting Help with LSD Addiction

Because LSD causes such a psychological addiction, most people can not overcome the addiction to LSD on their own. Those who are addicted to this drug need professional help, and if you or someone you love has an addiction, you need to seek help before it is too late. There are various drug rehabilitation centers that are ready and waiting to help those who are suffering from addiction to LSD. The help is available to you, but you have to be the one who makes the decision to seek and accept help.





http://ezinearticles.com/?LSD---A-Powerful,-Illegal-Drug&id=532382

Considering that probobly less than a dozen people so far have ever been addicted to LSD I think it is curious how much infrastructure there is to treat LSD "addiction". Maybe Syd Barrett could have benefited, but I'm not really sure who else.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8052015 - 02/21/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Man, I dunno.
I can't function much longer until I get my next acid fix.
I'm gonna shoot up directly in the vein next time - 5 grams!
Oh man, these cold sweats - I can't take it anymore.

HELP ME!!! :hissyfit:

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: THEBats]
    #8052071 - 02/21/08 02:10 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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do tell where you got this information at.




http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugdeath.html

Alright before anyone calls me out on it, I'll admit to being retarded. I didn't notice the death by inhaling vomit subscript on "The Herb" death. I was kinda high when I copied that over, i didn't even copy and paste, I just retyped it. In any case, I guess that solves that question.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8052313 - 02/21/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Quote:


do tell where you got this information at.




http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugdeath.html

Alright before anyone calls me out on it, I'll admit to being retarded. I didn't notice the death by inhaling vomit subscript on "The Herb" death. I was kinda high when I copied that over, i didn't even copy and paste, I just retyped it. In any case, I guess that solves that question.




could be a legitimate death from herb, maybe not though... generally marijuana is an antiemetic

But yeah, everything will kill you

The point to note is that the direct action of THC won't kill you unless you have an alergy or are really determined.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8052371 - 02/21/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

get what you pay for :drooling:

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8052530 - 02/21/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
why fix a bad thing.... Hmmm, maybe because it's bad

as for "they're making money by...", keep in mind that it's
the government making money, not the citizens, it doesnt
trickle back down to us, it only goes to line the pockets of
those holding the power




that was my point, i meant it was not a bad thing for them, but obviously a very bad thing for people who believe in ingesting whatever they want.

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you realize it costs money to jail people?




whose paying for it? btw i meant that they jail people, seize their assets, and make them pay out the ass for half a marijuana plant.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8053834 - 02/21/08 08:33 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

dude its true I cant stop using acid.  I suck dick allow myself to be sodomized and have even killed a nigga or two to get my fix.

When I don't have acid I rock back and forth and the flashbacks are of horrible demons summoned from the depths of hell telling me to kill Jesus and push old ladies down the stairs.

I'm already up to injecting 2 milligrams and the tolerance keeps getting worse. Soon ill end up a vegetable:sad:.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8053988 - 02/21/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Who ever wrote that article is fucking retarded. Did they even think of PCP before comming to the conclusion that "LSD is the worst drug to take."?


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8054117 - 02/21/08 09:34 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

from what i have read


there are no reported deaths from cannabis


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    #8054146 - 02/21/08 09:38 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

No reported deaths from any psychedelic agents.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8054407 - 02/21/08 10:20 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

^cept ketamine if you wanna get picky.

but yeah this article is stupid as fuck.

i hate reading shit like this it just makes me mad.

acid isn't about that, it's just about love. it's corny but it's true. if people could just fucking think for them fucking selves maybe things would be different. but aint much chance of that happening.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8054480 - 02/21/08 10:37 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

hahaha whenever i get drunk i rant about the injustices of the drug system.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #9449175 - 12/17/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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KrishnaDreamer said:
yeah i've heard allergies to cannabis, and maybe those people choked on the peanuts?

and who knows, are profits from legalization going to exceed the profits from the drug war? they're making money from taxes and jailing people, why fix a bad thing?

i dunno, maybe taxing legal drugs might be more profitable actually.



there was a guy near here a couple years ago that ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich, and then kissed his girlfriend after lunch, and she died because of an alergic reaction to peanuts left in his mouth.  peanut allergys can be very serious and people can die from it.

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    #9449191 - 12/17/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't even read into these things, I refuse to be a victim of ignorance. In a way I am happy its not legal, I feel LSD is something special.


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    #9449424 - 12/17/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I remember my teacher telling me that potheads would get the munchies so bad they would eat cardboard

that's only 80% true

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    #9449860 - 12/17/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

My chromosomes are soooo messed up from the LSD!!!


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #9449941 - 12/17/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Man LSD addiction is bad.  My friend told me about this guy that got addicted to LSD and thought he was a glass of orange juice, and if he didn't get his acid fix, he would tip over and die!!












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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #9450114 - 12/17/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think that they say that LSD is one of the most dangerous drugs to take, because it might change the way that you look at the world and yourself. They don't want us thinking for ourselves. That would breed thoughts of revoltion and turning from their view of the way society should act and think. God forbid that ever happen.


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    #9552593 - 01/05/09 05:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I think that they say that LSD is one of the most dangerous drugs to take, because it might change the way that you look at the world and yourself. They don't want us thinking for ourselves. That would breed thoughts of revoltion and turning from their view of the way society should act and think. God forbid that ever happen.




Sorry to post so something old, I cant help but agree with you. You snatched the words right out of my brain.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Ferris]
    #9556881 - 01/06/09 10:04 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think that they're just generalizing it, because it's classed as a schedule I narcotic(no medical use).


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    #9557021 - 01/06/09 10:35 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i used some psychedelics, i tripped on shrooms a few times and did 2ci.  after i quit drugs i was a whole different person than i was before.  i became more independent, and less of a follower.  i didn't feel the need to act certain ways or do what everyone else was doing just so that friends would approve of me, and invite me along.  i just kind of started doing whatever i needed to do in order to get what i wanted.

i also started to notice weird things that no one would discuss with me.  weird subtleties to human interaction.  i thought for a while i had given myself schizophrenia, but then every once in awhile i meet people that know EXACTLY what i'm talking about.  the only thing is, those people tend to be real independent too.

for me it was a little like pulling out of the matrix.

not really dangerous...  but i can see why the government would rather everyone be parallel, working together on the same track, seamlessly.


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    #9557034 - 01/06/09 10:38 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Like robots? Sheep?


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    #9557083 - 01/06/09 10:49 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

yep.  there is this ancient buddhist painting...  two frames.  one is entitled "heaven" and the other "hell" (alledgedly)

in the heaven frame, all the men are walking tightly together facing one direction, carrying these big stones.

in the hell frame, all the people are facing different ways, and there are task master people whipping, and there are a lot of stones on the ground.

it would be a little bit like EVERYONE being ACTUALLY straight, or EVERYONE being ACTUALLY gay.


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    #15039338 - 09/06/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Addictive potential is not the only danger of a drug you know, duuuuh. Acid is extremely dangerous in a very different way, to anybody who has any kind of knowledge or experience. I grew up way back in the 1970s, and took all drugs, but only to excess. This included Heroin, Morphine, Opium, Barbiturates, LSD, Speed, Hash, Alcohol, etc. It is my opinion that Acid is the worse drug of them all, and it is certainly the most powerful. In the 1960s and 1970s the amount of Acid in a dose was several times over what it has been since, and that is official. I would take up to 3, 4 or even 5 at a time, but of course you never knew the amount of Acid in a dose. Many people take tiny amounts enough to get a gnat off basically, and then say what is the problem. They are extremely naive, to say the least. I started off that way thinking it was all bullshit, and kept taking larger and larger doses. Then unfortunately one day I found out what it was capable of, but very many people don't as they take such tiny doses on just a few occasions. Bear in mind the amounts in a tablet (as was the main way of taking it then) was many times over what is has been since. My experience was 40 years ago, and I have never recovered from it and never will. I still suffer with HPPD and from mental problems as a result. Basically it took me apart. I tried to kill myself by jumping off a bridge, but was stopped. Went completely berserk and had to be hospitalised, attacking people and having to be subdued. Then I was strapped up and strapped down, and filled with goodness knows what junk to try to calm me. Have had countless breakdowns as a result, and suffer from them still with major panic attacks and depression, etc. Anybody who thinks physical addiction is the only or major problem is stupid in the extreme. It is always the naive ones who think Acid is no big deal, and are the most outspoken. Took literally hundreds of trips to be honest, but the main danger is to do with the amount taken. You get some idiots saying the outlines of things just change and there are no full blown hallucinations from nothing as it were. That is because of the tiny dose you plebs ! I would much rather take the so called "harder" drugs in those days as you know where you stand, and they don't have such an overwhelming effect. Nothing to handle with them, but with large doses of Acid there is. And yes, that above is the negative side stating possibiities with large doses.

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