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Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take"
    #8049857 - 02/20/08 10:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was doing a search on drug policy and ran across this.
Probobly one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

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What is the worst illegal drug to take?

A question often asked by many students is, “What is the worst drug?” Of course the answer is relative to viewpoint and what kind of damage is caused, whether it is physical damage, emotional pain and suffering, damage to the family, cost involved, or some kind of combination.

It has been suggested that, while drugs like crack, heroin and meth are extremely deadly, hallucinogens like LSD (acid) are the ones with the worst lingering effects. The reason is because they alter the mind and its perceptions, and people can have “acid flashbacks” for many years after they stopped taking the drug.

LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) is one of the major drugs making up the hallucinogen class of drugs. Hallucinogens cause hallucinations—profound distortions in a person’s perception of reality. Under the influence of hallucinogens, people see images, hear sounds, and feel sensations that seem real but do not exist. Some hallucinogens also produce rapid, intense emotional swings.

The effects of LSD are unpredictable. They depend on the amount taken; the user's personality, mood, and expectations; and the surroundings in which the drug is used. Usually, the user feels the first effects of the drug about 30 minutes after taking it. The physical effects include dilated pupils, higher body temperature, increased heart rate and blood pressure, sweating, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, and tremors.

Users refer to their experience with LSD as a "trip" and when it is a frightening experience it is called a "bad trip." These experiences are long; typically they begin to clear after about 12 hours. Some LSD users experience severe, terrifying thoughts and feelings, fear of losing control, fear of insanity, death and despair while using LSD. Some fatal accidents have occurred during states of LSD intoxication and people have been known to get stuck in a bad trip and display extreme paranoia or psychosis.

Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered a physically addictive drug since it does not produce intense physical cravings like other drugs. However, a tolerance to the drug can still build, requiring more of the toxin to be ingested to experience another trip.

Use of hallucinogens, and especially LSD, has decreased in recent years. In fact, according to the Monitoring the Future Survey, 0.7 percent of high school seniors reported past-month use. The rate is still higher than the overall usage, where only 0.1 percent of people aged 12 or older used the drug in the last 30 days prior to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

It seems to be catching on that it is one of the worst drugs, as evidenced by the drop in usage. Why risk becoming a vegetable?




http://www.addictionhelpservices.com/blog/2007/02/what-is-worst-illegal-drug-to-take.html

Ok, so this is a place for addiction help and they tell you that LSD is worse for you than taking crack, heroin or meth?! Because you'll get flashbacks and turn into a vegetable! Better stick with that crystal meth.

Funny that they used to use LSD to cure alcoholism...


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8049870 - 02/20/08 10:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck them.:shrug:

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Tangerines]
    #8049883 - 02/20/08 10:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Are they allowed to call it a toxin?
That shouldn't be allowed.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #8049908 - 02/20/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's scary the kind of shit that kids brains are getting filled with, why can't anyone just be honest for once?


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8049909 - 02/20/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They need to rephrase that to: "What is the worst drug for irresponsible and uneducated people to take?"

Don't buy into propaganda. No good can come from that.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8049960 - 02/20/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Have they ever stopped to think that maybe all their propaganda is actually the cause of all the things they say? Usually (not always) when people have bad trips, the reason is because they are worried about having a bad experience from the get-go, or they are already experiencing paranoia for whatever reason. Most first time users have some anxiety about tripping because they have heard so much bad rap about hallucinogens that it starts to get under their skin, and that in turn effects their trip.

If we told all the kids that LSD would make you feel dreamy, see pretty images, and give you a positive outlook on life, I think there would be a lot less bad trips and mental cases out there. Just a hypothesis.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8049971 - 02/20/08 11:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Truth be told - keeping LSD illegal has presented some serious research from finding all the benefits acid has to offer.
We already know about its ability to abort migraine and cluster headaches.
We know it has at least a 50% cure rate for alcoholism.
I'm almost certain it would be a valuable aid in curing some types of psychoses as well.
We're not gonna know for sure until the fucking government gets their collective head out of their ass and wises up.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8049979 - 02/20/08 11:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"Hallucinogens cause hallucinations"

oooooooooo is that what they did i never new


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Coaster]
    #8050000 - 02/20/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if the people writing these things know that, at best, SSRI's are as "damaging" as LSD in terms of bodily effects and dependance development.

At least LSD is pretty specific to a subtype of receptor, SSRI's generally just flood the snynapse, leading to whatever effects acid would lead to, as well as more sever tolerance.

Adjusted for typical usage, and SSRI's are far "worse"...

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: johnm214]
    #8050007 - 02/20/08 11:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But they made SSRI's legal because you can't trip from those, at least, not in the recommended dosages.
And let's not forget that phamaceutacal companies get big money from the sales of said drugs.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050037 - 02/20/08 11:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you man. I don't understand how the government can turn their heads away from all the problems that alcohol and cigarrettes cause while keeping them legal, and not realize that LSD/shrooms/pot are basically no worse. Actually, all of those substances have more clinically proven benefits than alcohol or cigarettes. If the government is willing to let us fuck ourselves over with alcoholism and lung cancer, than we can't we fuck ourselves over with psychosis and a little bit of mental instability?

What the government should do, as with alcohol, is set a legal age for substances like this. Once you reach that age, if you wanna become a junkie than thats your own problem. We'd have laws against tripping and driving, as well as tripping over a certain dosage. To sell it/make you'd have to have a license.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050057 - 02/20/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you on everything except the restriction of dosage part.
That's completely up to the user to decide how much they want to use.
We have no such restrictions for alcohol or tobacco, so why apply them to drugs which aren't as dangerous?

As long as there's some way to convince the government that they will make massive amounts of money from the sale and taxation of psychedelic drugs, I see no reason why they shouldn't legalize them for responsible adults.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050075 - 02/20/08 11:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, we do have restrictions on alcohol. Theres the whole BAC levels for driving...actually I guess that is the only thing it applies to. So yeah, i mean if your just gonna trip in your home I'd say no restrictions on dosage.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050095 - 02/20/08 11:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When it comes to driving, or operating any heavy/dangerous machinery for that matter, then no amount of drugs should be tolerated.
Safety does come first, after all.
I'm taking into account the safety of others who may happen to be in the vicinity of the person using the machines.
Don't need them getting injured then seeking lawsuits.

If someone wants to dose up in their own home without any pending responsibilities in the works, then that's fine by me.
Let them take whatever amount they wish.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8050105 - 02/20/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Article should have said:


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What is the most fun illegal drug to take?

A question often asked by many students is, “What is the most fun drug?” Of course the answer is relative to viewpoint and what kind of enojyment is caused, whether it is physical enjoyment, emotional enjoyment and fun, enjoyment for the family, cost involved, or some kind of combination.

It has been suggested that, while drugs like crack, heroin and meth are extremely fun, hallucinogens like LSD (acid) are the ones with the coolest lingering effects. The reason is because they alter the mind and its perceptions, and people can have “acid flashbacks” for many years after they stopped taking the drug.

LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) is one of the major drugs making up the hallucinogen class of drugs. Hallucinogens cause hallucinations—profound distortions in a person’s perception of reality. Under the influence of hallucinogens, people see images, hear sounds, and feel sensations that seem real but do not exist. Some hallucinogens also produce rapid, intense emotional swings.

The effects of LSD are great. They depend on the amount taken; the user's personality, mood, and expectations; and the surroundings in which the drug is used. Usually, the user feels the first effects of the drug about 30 minutes after taking it. The physical effects include dilated pupils, higher body temperature, increased heart rate and blood pressure, sweating, loss of appetite, sleeplessness, dry mouth, tremors, and the ability to dance like a prick.

Users refer to their experience with LSD as a "trip" and when it is a frightening experience it is called a "bad trip." These experiences are long; typically they begin to clear after about 12 hours. Some LSD users experience severe, pleasant thoughts and feelings, fear of losing their car keys, fear of falling through the floor while using LSD. Some fatal accidents have occurred during states of LSD intoxication and people have been known go food shopping butt ass naked.

Most users of LSD voluntarily decrease or stop its use over time. LSD is not considered a physically addictive drug since it does not produce intense physical cravings like other drugs. However, a tolerance to the drug can still build, requiring more of the chemical to be ingested to experience another trip.

Use of hallucinogens, and especially LSD, has decreased in recent years. In fact, according to the Monitoring the Future Survey, 0.7 percent of high school seniors reported past-month use. The rate is still higher than the overall usage, where only 0.1 percent of people aged 12 or older used the drug in the last 30 days prior to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.

It seems to be catching on that it is one of the best drugs, ever, as evidenced by the rise in fun. Why not risk becoming "enlightened"?







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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: fapjack]
    #8050153 - 02/21/08 12:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What a horrible piece... fuck them


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050167 - 02/21/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here is a copy of a list of drug related deaths in the UK.

UK drug death figures: deaths per annum
Alcohol- 4.235
Tobacco- 120,000
The Herb- 1
LSD- 0
Peanuts- 7
Viagra- 7
Ecstasy- 4

Now the fact that peanuts and viagra kill more people than ganja and LSD kind of scares me. Why is this not what we are telling our kids? How many anti-alcohol campaigns are out there?

And heres something else. This blurb sounds WAY more scary to me than anything they say about LSD

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Beverage alcohol (i.e., ethanol) is a psychoactive drug that changes brain chemistry and can become lethal in high doses. Alcohol poisoning is an acute toxic condition resulting from exposure to excessive quantities of alcohol within a short period of time.

Rapid consumption of large quantities of alcohol can overload the liver’s metabolic capacity, causing the blood alcohol concentration [BAC] to rise rapidly. At BACs of 0.25 to 0.40 grams/deciliter, alcohol poisoning can lead to slurred speech, ataxia, stupor, coma, and eventually to death [Seller and Kalant 1976; Poikolainen and Vuori 1985]. Alcohol poisoning is a result of extremely high levels of intoxication. With 20 drinks in 1 hour, an average male weighing 160 pounds could reach a BAC level beyond 0.40 grams/deciliter. At this point, the brain centers that control the heart and lungs are partially anesthetized and coma or death may occur [Kinney 2000].




Sounds like the worst legal drug to me.


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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #8050207 - 02/21/08 12:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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BrainChemistry said:
Here is a copy of a list of drug related deaths in the UK.

UK drug death figures: deaths per annum
The Herb- 1
Peanuts- 7




OK so how did weed cause a death?
And how the fuck do peanuts cause deaths?

I totally agree that 20 shots of booze could kill someone in an hour.
I also know that 20 hits of LSD would not kill anyone in an hour,
assuming they don't do something stupid to get themselves killed.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #8050211 - 02/21/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

people are deathly allergic to peanuts bro.

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Re: Apparently LSD is the "Worst Drug to Take" [Re: Tangerines]
    #8050216 - 02/21/08 12:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That may be true, but I don't know a single one who is allergic to them. :shrug:
Besides, I'm not including allergies as a reason for a substance being lethal.

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