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shevanel
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Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? *DELETED*
#8049321 - 02/20/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: shevanel]
#8050106 - 02/20/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't want it to be too tight. But, I like mine to be big and solid so that the polyfil won't fall out either. So I do a pencil led test and poke through to the other side. If I can't, its too tight. If I can, then I'm happy.
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: Talimor]
#8050214 - 02/21/08 12:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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can you explain this test you speak of?
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: shevanel]
#8050516 - 02/21/08 05:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i always have a fan going in the room on low and i know that my poly is good for me if when i check on it every 24 hrs my casing layer around the poly holes is just starting to dry out, just a little bit. then i give it a light misting and its good for another 24 hrs. that way i know fresh air is getting through there but the poly is still filtering it.
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: blood4blood]
#8050670 - 02/21/08 07:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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blood4blood said: i always have a fan going in the room on low and i know that my poly is good for me if when i check on it every 24 hrs my casing layer around the poly holes is just starting to dry out, just a little bit. then i give it a light misting and its good for another 24 hrs. that way i know fresh air is getting through there but the poly is still filtering it.
So do you mist your monotub every 24 hours, completely?
Or just the area around the polyfill?
Do you take the lid off to do this or just through an opening in the hole?
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: SDP]
#8058193 - 02/22/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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loose = more airflow and contams
tight = too little air flow and many less contams
his pencil led thing is like sticking a needle through the polyfil if you can get it through thats an indication that the polyfil isn't too tight.
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: flavoraid]
#8058659 - 02/22/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Polyfill is for pillows. Not mycology! Use micro pore tape.
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8058866 - 02/22/08 11:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've found that keeping a clean area is much more beneficial then trippin out over making sure everything is hella-sealed. Air purifiers work GREAT for this.
I like to keep my poly tight enough where a SLIGHT tug won't pull it out but just a little bit stronger of a tug will start pulling it through quickly.
Just tight enough to where if you rub it with a blanket or your leg it won't come out but still loose enough to EASILY pull out without much force at all. Just tight enough to stay secure.
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dumbfounded1600 said: Polyfill is for pillows. Not mycology! Use micro pore tape.
Lame. Micro pore tape gets wet and holds moisture that can easily lead to bacterial growth. IMO this isn't an optimal solution although you may have had good results with it.
If anything, use tyvec secured with gorilla tape to seal the holes. Monstermitch Style
Tyvec resists moisture nicely, micro pore does not.
Polyfil provides more airflow then tyvec, I assume that is why Mitch only uses it on the bottom holes.
In my experience with jar lids I found polyfil, when used correctly, provides just as much contaminant resistance while allowing much more air exchange.
Air exchange is crucial in monotubs; I would hate to seal one up with water-loving micro pore tape. Or just tyvec.
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: SDP]
#8058887 - 02/23/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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C'mon Now...Your gonna sit there and tell me polyfill is better suitable then 1/4th inch holes for better air currents? The #1 cause of contaminants are caused by stale air with polyfill does a great job of doing. Contaminants can't get a food hold on substrates when air currents are constantly moving. Well you wouldn't have the wet with micro pore tape problem if you incubated at room temperature instead of an incubator which condensates causing water droplets.
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8059683 - 02/23/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dumbfounded1600 said:
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C'mon Now...Your gonna sit there and tell me polyfill is better suitable then 1/4th inch holes for better air currents?
Never tried 1/4th inch holes... but if I did I would definitely polyfil or tyvec them and not micropore tape.
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The #1 cause of contaminants are caused by stale air with polyfill does a great job of doing. Contaminants can't get a food hold on substrates when air currents are constantly moving.
If your poly isn't allowing at least equal airflow as micropore tape your packing it in too tight.
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Well you wouldn't have the wet with micro pore tape problem if you incubated at room temperature instead of an incubator which condensates causing water droplets.
The monos stay in room temp of 72-75.
They condensate inside because THATS WHAT MONOTUBS DO.
The clear lid gets COVERED in droplets and the entire inner walls are SOAKED. During colonization AND fruiting.
This is how it holds in its own moisture, its not a matter of temperature.
Micropore tape, from LC to bread pan ventilation to tubs... has ALWAYS gotten wet + gross looking when I've used it.
If it works for you, excellent.
0 Contaminants with poly for me.
Condensation FTW:

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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: flavoraid]
#8059708 - 02/23/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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flavoraid said: loose = more airflow and contams
tight = too little air flow and many less contams
his pencil led thing is like sticking a needle through the polyfil if you can get it through thats an indication that the polyfil isn't too tight.
Lid open= all the contams in the world. Do not use polyfill or micro pore tape in a mono tub. Just leave the holes open. The only theing that the polyfill might do is keep out bugs but they can just crawl in through the lid also
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: tahoe]
#8059726 - 02/23/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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loose = more airflow and contams
tight = too little air flow and many less contams
Loose? More Air Flow And Contaminants? Are you kidding me....The more the air flow the less chances of contaminants because contaminants don't have a chance to grab a hold of the substrate. + it's virtually contaminant resistant when fully colonized.
Tight = Too Little AIr Flow And Many Less Contams. SEE that's where your wrong. That's when old stale air is present and that's the only reason why you DO get contaminants. Cobweb, Trich Love stale air. With the polyfill so tight the air never moves. It just sits there in a world of C02 and stale air.
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Re: Is it possible to use too big of a wad of polyfill in mono? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8066169 - 02/24/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Use tyvek. Its great.
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