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Swami, take a look at this...
    #8047783 - 02/20/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

John Chang, a master of the ancient Chinese art of Qigong



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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: chodamunky]
    #8047863 - 02/20/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It is real. One time I was vibrating intensely on a high dose of acid and holding onto my self-healed quartz, I would touch my cat and it would pick up my vibrations. It is as though it was being electricuted, I would hold on to it and its whole body would jolt and lock up as if it had been shocked by lightening. And this wasn't just a hallucination, there were outside observers who weren't drug induced. It was a baby kitten, and obviously very sensitive and receptive to the human electromagnetic field.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8047913 - 02/20/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what bugs me is that the guy was guilt tripped by his dead teacher for showing off his skills... this is something the whole world should see and experience, there are more people like him around for sure.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: chodamunky]
    #8048263 - 02/20/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so yea... bump. I thought more people on this forum would jump all over this. Swami, where you at?


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: chodamunky]
    #8048306 - 02/20/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is interesting, but without source references it is just entertainment. However, I did enjoy it.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: chodamunky]
    #8048398 - 02/20/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was under the impression he doesn't answer to swami anymore


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: TheCow]
    #8049264 - 02/20/08 09:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

One who has merged with the ALL answers to many names.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8049393 - 02/20/08 09:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Unfortunately it's not real. This man manages to discredit qigong, martial arts, and traditional Chinese medicine with these parlor tricks. What he represents is not what these arts are about.

In my experience with high-level practitioners of these arts, though they have skills honed to levels unimaginable by "reasonable" people, no magic is involved. No lightning bolts, no flying, never even a no-touch throw.

My advice is to get over all this hocus pocus, find a method, something real, and practice. You can't take other people's credentials as your own.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8049428 - 02/20/08 09:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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One time I was vibrating intensely on a high dose of acid and holding onto my self-healed quartz, I would touch my cat and it would pick up my vibrations. It is as though it was being electricuted, I would hold on to it and its whole body would jolt and lock up as if it had been shocked by lightening. And this wasn't just a hallucination, there were outside observers who weren't drug induced.




Do it for Randi and win a million dollars. But will you? No. It will always remain a story.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: chodamunky]
    #8049450 - 02/20/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

One famous chi master knocked over people from all over the world without a touch. Then a skeptic showed up and... nothing.

What did the Master say? "The skeptic must have crossed his toes and blocked the chi."

S-Rays win again. :yesnod:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8049525 - 02/20/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:Do it for Randi and win a million dollars. But will you? No. It will always remain a story.




Huh, guess it was just a hallucination :smirk:

You proved me wrong dude.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8049570 - 02/20/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So are you saying that you have no use for a million dollars?


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8049581 - 02/20/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I would touch my cat and it would pick up my vibrations.  It is as though it was being electricuted, I would hold on to it and its whole body would jolt and lock up as if it had been shocked by lightening.






The cat overlords are now watching you closely for your confession here on mishandling one of our beloved children.... 
Consider yourself warned....    :nono:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8049633 - 02/20/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Of course not, but I know for a fact it's not going to happen in that kind of setting. Trying such a thing would likely result in a bad trip and lack of connection (being a key word). And that was a one time thing, which happened when I was doing major binging on psychedelics and deeply into the zone.

I thought it was just a hallucination at first, but my sober brothers confirmed it wasn't.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8049645 - 02/20/08 10:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The only creature fearsome enough to be able to go mano a mano with the cat overlord is the giant devil toad.



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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8049651 - 02/20/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I know for a fact it's not going to happen in that kind of setting




Me too.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8049669 - 02/20/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Isn't that obvious  :rofl:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8049674 - 02/20/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
I would touch my cat and it would pick up my vibrations.  It is as though it was being electricuted, I would hold on to it and its whole body would jolt and lock up as if it had been shocked by lightening.






The cat overlords are now watching you closely for your confession here on mishandling one of our beloved children.... 
Consider yourself warned....    :nono:


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I apologize my kitty master, I swear it was only to awaken him out of his deep sleep.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8049693 - 02/20/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not sure what "that kind of setting is", but for every paranormal claim there is a matching excuse as to why it can only be performed in front of a small group of friends.

Any amazing thing that I can do, I can do in front of skeptical strangers.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8049728 - 02/20/08 10:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

With friends I feel more connected to myself than with strangers. When I'm on acid around strangers there is a definite lack of connection, which is needed to enter a state of such buzzing vibration.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8049803 - 02/20/08 10:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I can make children under age 8 really believe that I disappeared a quarter. :yesnod:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8049843 - 02/20/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't believe it.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Notendo]
    #8050536 - 02/21/08 05:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't see any lightning bolts, flying or telekinesis in the video. Being able to produce electricity through body parts doesn't seem too far-fetched. An electric eel can apparently produce 500 V at 1 amp through what sounds to me like a similar mechanism to the initial stages of muscle contraction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_contraction#Skeletal_muscle_contractions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_eel#Physiology

I've no idea how he set the paper on fire though, i'm gonna go stick some paper in a plug socket, see if it catches fire :laugh:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8051021 - 02/21/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It is real.  One time I was vibrating intensely on a high dose of acid and holding onto my self-healed quartz, I would touch my cat and it would pick up my vibrations.  It is as though it was being electricuted, I would hold on to it and its whole body would jolt and lock up as if it had been shocked by lightening.  And this wasn't just a hallucination, there were outside observers who weren't drug induced.  It was a baby kitten, and obviously very sensitive and receptive to the human electromagnetic field.



:rofl2:  haha.  So you were all fucked up on lsd, and were grabbing your cat.  You cant figure out what was going on?  Grab your cat right now, and squeeze him kind of hard.  I guarantee he will 'jolt' as he tries to escape from your totally insane presence.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8051112 - 02/21/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Of course not, but I know for a fact it's not going to happen in that kind of setting. Trying such a thing would likely result in a bad trip and lack of connection (being a key word). And that was a one time thing, which happened when I was doing major binging on psychedelics and deeply into the zone.

Sweet:monkeydance:

Some times specials at the Quikie Mart are one time only also. It just can't be helped.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: TheCow]
    #8051126 - 02/21/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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TheCow said:totally insane presence.




thank you :mypleasure:

ever seen the video of the cat on lsd?  it was almost identical to that.



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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8051144 - 02/21/08 09:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Somehow many inexperienced psychonauts believe that drugs like LSD give them some kind of access to powers they are not able to access when sober. But there is really no solid evidence for this among the millions and millions of trips experienced. "Youthful Folly"


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Icelander]
    #8051329 - 02/21/08 10:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I find nothing magical about the body's electrical current. It is surely a possibility that the electricity that circulates through the body can be intensified and transmitted through various methods. Like when I shock you... nothing too magical about that.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8051548 - 02/21/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Like when I shock you... nothing too magical about that.




That's just static. It sounds possible that certain patterns of nerve impulses sent to muscles could generate electrical current similar to how an electric eel does it, that certainly seemed to be what the guy was doing.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_organ_discharge

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Postsynaptically, electrocytes work much like muscle cells.




Would be nice to get a biologists opinion, anyone know one?

Just found this, check out the video:http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-shoot-chi-bolts/

Looks pretty similar to the vid in this thread. The question is how to charge your body without using a high voltage tv transformer!


Edited by jizmaster (02/21/08 12:13 PM)


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: jizmaster]
    #8052113 - 02/21/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That guy made fire come out of his finger :yesnod:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8054036 - 02/21/08 09:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I find nothing magical about the body's electrical current. It is surely a possibility that the electricity that circulates through the body can be intensified and transmitted through various methods. Like when I shock you... nothing too magical about that.




My question is how come it only happens when on LSD and such? No one here claims (honestly) to be able to do this stuff in normal awareness. Could it just be that when people trip they really don't have a clue what's going on and because it's so different from normal experience they have to make it into something profoundly mystical?


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Icelander]
    #8054129 - 02/21/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I try not to think about it too much.  I just stated what happened to me, what I saw and what was confirmed through sober outside observers.  If these observers never saw what I did there would be no talk of it here.

It's ok, I was expecting nobody to believe me :thumbup:

Deny all you want, it doesn't change what happened.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8054170 - 02/21/08 09:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not denying anything but don't you think it's just a little ridiculous to mention something so subjective here and then feel miffed when some of us doubt it? Especially since we hear this same type of stuff from some really crack-pot posters around here. I mean really this is a forum centered around debate of ideas. These ideas are much easier to debate when there is some evidence that is more than personal hear say. You did say this It is real.. If I made such a statement I would expect it to be challenged and I would have some solid evidence to back such a bold claim.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Icelander]
    #8054194 - 02/21/08 09:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was expecting these kind of responses when I posted, no worries. And it has to do with the topic of the OP's post.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: deranger]
    #8054200 - 02/21/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: chodamunky]
    #8059971 - 02/23/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I riddle why most masters of such cults want it to be kept private, yes even secret.
My only conclusion is that it is easier to do harm with this knowledge than to do good.
And evil intentions hinder one to develop those abilities by and in oneself.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8059990 - 02/23/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I riddle why most masters of such cults want it to be kept private, yes even secret.



Which is why they promote themselves via video and websites and books.

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y only conclusion is that it is easier to do harm with this knowledge than to do good.



Really? The only logical clonclusion is that this is all bullshit until such time as these masters do it under real scrutiny and not before a camera or a group of wild-eyed believrs.

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And evil intentions hinder one to develop those abilities by and in oneself.



Before we can figure out what hinders such abilities, the abilities must first be demonstrated. :rolleyes:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060838 - 02/23/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You haven't taken a look at that :wink:
edit:you think it's fake ? You think it doesn't matter what you think as long as it isn't proven ?


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060845 - 02/23/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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And evil intentions hinder one to develop those abilities by and in oneself.





You think? Given some 'superpower' would you use it for evil? If so i'm sure you would use what power you already have for evil.

The guy does seem to be generating electricity, take a look at the link i posted:

http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-shoot-chi-bolts/

It looks pretty similar to me, and also sounds possible given that electric eels can apparently generate shocks of 500W using cells that are modified muscle cells. Hopefully someone who knows more about biology than me can comment on how this might be possible.

Of course stay skeptical unless it can be proven but this sounds a lot less far fetched than others i've seen.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: jizmaster]
    #8060863 - 02/23/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It looks pretty similar to me, and also sounds possible given that electric eels can apparently generate shocks of 500W




Because another animal can do it? Can a human fly without apparatus? Run 50 mph? Glow in the dark?

If the guy do a major electrical discharge, and not mere static, Randi would award him the million dollars.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: jizmaster]
    #8060890 - 02/23/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There's an old german saying: Occasion makes (brings up) thieves...
...and power corrupts..superpower corrupts supremely :smile:
In regards to your link, they used a voltmeter on the original guru, which failed to detect anything. The guru simply said: yes, because it's Chi ! :wink:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8060899 - 02/23/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Gelegenheit macht Diebe.


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    #8060926 - 02/23/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Indeededlydoo :thumbup:


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    #8061428 - 02/23/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the full quote:
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electric eels can apparently generate shocks of 500W using cells that are modified muscle cells.




No it doesnt mean humans can do it, it means it may be possible and here's a potential mechanism. I dont know enough about biology to comment further.

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In regards to your link, they used a voltmeter on the original guru, which failed to detect anything. The guru simply said: yes, because it's Chi !




I thought it did eventually, then he got the led to light...


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    #8061958 - 02/23/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't see any lightning bolts, flying or telekinesis in the video.

Pardon me, but I was referring to what's in the book written by dynamo Jack's student. He claims some pretty crazy jedi meets harry potter shit.


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    #8062043 - 02/23/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is an excellent video detailing the powers of empty force:



If you practice tai chi or qi gong you probably get a little pissed off this guy's out there making your art look so stupid. Maybe you want to just walk up to him and punch him out? Well, you'll like this video, then:



At least he had the balls to make a $5000.00 wager! Amazing, isn't it? The capacity for delusion in the human mind?

I have one more video to cap off the discussion. You guys know Derren Brown, the guy who debunks everything? He can act as a medium and he can even tell you what you dreamed of last night! Basically he's the ultimate skeptic because he can do all these things he doesn't believe in. Well guess what! He can do empty force too!



Impressive eh? The thing about empty force is it works on the person's students but nobody else. They seem to let themselves believe it happens.. hypnosis, whatever. Not that the teacher has to swing a pendulum before their eyes or anything. Basically it all come back to that capacity for delusion I mentioned earlier.


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    #8063121 - 02/24/08 02:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For delusions one has to be aware of something.
In the original video, especially those crew members of the camera team, who got hit by the 'force' 'accidentally' are those who fascinate me. They were eager to discover him as a fraud.
And one can't light a led with delusion :smile:
Jizmaster, yes, it is strange to not measure any electric current and then make a led light. They hadn't found the correct range on the 'electro magnetic spectrum' for the Chi, not saying it is outside of it. And yes, if it would have been electricity, then the explanations would be easier :wink:


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    #8066728 - 02/24/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have been fighting delusion for 8 years here. You cannot win as it goes too deep, but I wish you success.


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    #8067671 - 02/25/08 05:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you think you are the only one who is not deluded?  This is what the above statement implies because to fight delusion you have to not be deluded yourself.

Theres a big problem here though.  Do you realize that almost everybody thinks that they are fighting the deluded ones!

Any religious person, any person of science, a mystic etc Everyone with an idea believes they are correct and that other people should be shown the light!

Can you not see that this is as much of a problem for your life philosophies as it is any other humans?

Simply by knowing this fact, you have to (to some extent) doubt your own points of view.  If you are sure, then you are as sure as a scientologist :grin:


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    #8068189 - 02/25/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ok, for the first of your videos: I would like to see the same effect while they not constantly watch the 'master'. That's ridiculous.

The second video is great, I knew it :wink: Maybe the master will pretend that his forces didn't work, because the victim didn't believe in them :lol:

And the Derren Brown video I knew too, a great one either. He works with suggestions.

All in all I still think the original video is different. Lighting an LED, making paper burn, 'electrifying' skeptics or casual bystanders, because delusion or suggestions won't work very well in those cases. And of course even pushing sticks through solid wood would only be possible, if he would be a professional show magician or illusionist like those in Vegas.


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Humble lurker said:Any religious person, any person of science, a mystic etc Everyone with an idea believes they are correct and that other people should be shown the light!

Can you not see that this is as much of a problem for your life philosophies as it is any other humans?

Simply by knowing this fact, you have to (to some extent) doubt your own points of view.




:thumbup:

No matter how much we think we are right in our view, ultimately we are wrong.  None of us know anything about ourselves, the most knowledge we could gain is that we know nothing.  And we will probably never come to this actual knowledge, as our mind creates the belief that we think we know this knowledge.  How could we really know nothing when we are constantly engaged in and creating something?  Our mind fails to see how we create maya and how it exists on layers not noticed by our awareness.  We are not fully centered in awareness and don't even know what it really is to be.  We are centered in an image and reality that distracts us from realizing our place in all of this chaos.  No matter how much we think our shit don't stink, our shit DOES stink.


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    #8068316 - 02/25/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, the videos I posted were a response to the persistent but unfounded belief in "empty force." Not something that was demonstrated in the original video we're discussing, but something that comes up in the book The Magus of Java, which is a book all about John Chang's (dynamo jack) supernatural powers written by a man who claims to be his student. In the book, massive amounts of power are discharged, leveling forests and slaying whole villages, and John Chang drives around in his car at breakneck speeds because he can protect himself with a bubble of "qi" that will protect himself and his passenger in the case of a crash.

As for the video I'm going to say, based on my experience with the same arts John Chang is purported to practice, that he's just a fraud who's found a little parlor trick that allows him to shock people. Probably a hidden electrical device, but I don't really feel like I need to know.

If you've read the books, you know what is claimed about this man: fireballs, shields a la star trek, telekinesis, communication with ghosts, and the list goes on. Many things that would be very hard to fake one after the other on a video. And then what do we get to see? A guy shocking people with his hand and a little trick with a chopstick.

One thing that made me chuckle on the video: The narrator talks about how he had an eye problem and so was visiting John Chang to get it treated, and the next time you see the host talking he's wearing an eye patch. Not a very effective treatment, then, Johnny?


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    #8068418 - 02/25/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:
Thank you, that was a brilliant explanation (perhaps I didn't read it right before) !
The hidden electric device is a very good idea of explanation. Even the eye-thing smells like fraud, you're right.
So, if added one and one together, he presumably fakes the paper-burning as well.
Damned, he did a good job, now I will put him on some same level with all those other artists and even be more critical about such :smile: Thanks, really man. I didn't know there even was such literature about him :wink:
If this really is true, I disregard such frauds for their deep dishonesty :frown:


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    #8068497 - 02/25/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Theres a big problem here though. Do you realize that almost everybody thinks that they are fighting the deluded ones!



Yet every single one who makes a specific claim contrary to my world view fails to produce. (See my latest one on remote viewing). I give people here chance after chance to demontstrate something they claim to be able to demonstrate, and... NOTHING!

Reiki: nope
Homeopathy: nope
TK/PK: nope
Hauntings: nope
ESP: nope
The Secret and manifesting: nope
Remote viewing: nope
Seeing auras: nope
Psychic healings: nope

On and on the merry-go round goes.


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Can you not see that this is as much of a problem for your life philosophies as it is any other humans?



No. If that were true someone sometime would once prove one of my challenges wrong and take my money. Fifty some challenges later and my money is as safe as ever.


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    #8068697 - 02/25/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, bluecoyote. Another thing about this guy that really bugs me is when he's zapping the little baby and the baby's crying away. Where I come from we call that child abuse! If he's got such crazy control over his body's energy, why does he have to shock and hurt that kid? Why not gently radiate warm healing waves?


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    #8068731 - 02/25/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That was my favorite part of the whole video. :evil:


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    #8069437 - 02/25/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There must still be something in you that says "I could be wrong".

Yes or no?

I see that if you accept this it will be followed by "but so far I haven't been."


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    #8069481 - 02/25/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have pleaded for 8 years here for someone to prove me wrong. Instead all I get is accusations of being arrogant.

Is my persona truly more important than whether or not chi (or substitute magick or your choice) is fact or fiction?


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    #8070304 - 02/25/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yet every single one who makes a specific claim contrary to my world view fails to produce.
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Psychic healings: nope




You mean, all that psychic energy I sent over to you for the last couple of weeks hasn't made you better from your illness yet....?    :what:
HHhhhmmmm....
Might be time for a psychic tune up....    :voila:


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    #8070499 - 02/25/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was speaking solely of humans. :tongue:


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    #8070537 - 02/25/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

interesting video.


how do you medititate? :tongue2:

i've never really tried. is there a specific way to do this kind of thing?


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    #8070656 - 02/25/08 10:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

how do you medititate?

This forum isn't the place to learn.


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    #8070695 - 02/25/08 10:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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how do you medititate?
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This forum isn't the place to learn.




Sure it is....    :smirk:

Meditation is being physically still while the mind is mentally still, ie, concentrating on nothing for as long as possible while not moving....    :shrug:


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    #8070738 - 02/25/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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concentrating on nothing for as long as possible




How is that different from the normal stoner mind state?


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    #8070770 - 02/25/08 11:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Because the munchies always overpower the will to stay still....  :grin:


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    #8071876 - 02/26/08 10:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Because the munchies always overpower the will to stay still....  :grin:


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haha :thumbup:

thanks dude. i actually did try some meditation last night..
it was an interesting experience and i do plan to continue with it.


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thanks dude. i actually did try some meditation last night..
it was an interesting experience and i do plan to continue with it.




The goal in making your mind "still", is to turn off that constant conversation/chatter in your head that is almost always present....
As simple as it sounds, I found it very difficult to do....
And on the times I did succeed, I found myself waking up a little while later....    :tongue2:

There are methods of meditative breathing, or counting, or repetitive chants that can help with clearing the chatter....
If you are interested, do a search - there have been many threads on the subject in this forum....    :thumbup:


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    #8074001 - 02/26/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Making the mind still while the body is active is also good meditation...like Qi Gong.


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    #8074028 - 02/26/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The people in my sig picture have mastered stilling the mind AND the body. :thumbup:


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    #8075486 - 02/27/08 12:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The goal in making your mind "still", is to turn off that constant conversation/chatter in your head that is almost always present....

This is why I said the shroomery isn't the place to learn meditation. Ask some experts on the subject and read some books. The goal of meditation is not to quiet the mental chatter as the above poster mentioned. The goal is to anchor your everyday activities with an ever-present state of observation, or witnessing. This is achieved through meditation, which is a method where you sit or stand in a prescribed posture, completely still, and allow thoughts to float in and out while observing them.

That's a more accurate description, but like I said, consult an expert, don't rely on our information.


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    #8075630 - 02/27/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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And evil intentions hinder one to develop those abilities by and in oneself.





You think? Given some 'superpower' would you use it for evil? If so i'm sure you would use what power you already have for evil.

The guy does seem to be generating electricity, take a look at the link i posted:

http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/how-to-shoot-chi-bolts/

It looks pretty similar to me, and also sounds possible given that electric eels can apparently generate shocks of 500W using cells that are modified muscle cells. Hopefully someone who knows more about biology than me can comment on how this might be possible.

Of course stay skeptical unless it can be proven but this sounds a lot less far fetched than others i've seen.




nah, electric fish have crazy amounts of the specialized cells, and the shock only works well cuz its in water


if you had a 500 volt potential on your finger it wouldn't do shit, much too small

air and your skin are much too high resisters. You could prolly give someone a shock, but no flying beams of electricity or anything


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    #8075695 - 02/27/08 01:12 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Notendo said:The goal is to anchor your everyday activities with an ever-present state of observation, or witnessing.




That is one accurate definition.

Which method of meditation do you practise or find most effective?


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    #8076064 - 02/27/08 05:31 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah apparently about 80% of their body weight. How does being in water (salt water even) help? Won't the charge leak to ground whereas in air it's got nowhere to go?

I'm just wondering what it is about these cells that produces that effect while muscle cells, which should also become negatively charged on the outer cell membrane during contraction, apparently do not? I guess it's simply that the charge is neutralised before it builds up to a significant level, but why!?


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The goal in making your mind "still", is to turn off that constant conversation/chatter in your head that is almost always present....

This is why I said the shroomery isn't the place to learn meditation. Ask some experts on the subject and read some books. The goal of meditation is not to quiet the mental chatter as the above poster mentioned. The goal is to anchor your everyday activities with an ever-present state of observation, or witnessing. This is achieved through meditation, which is a method where you sit or stand in a prescribed posture, completely still, and allow thoughts to float in and out while observing them.

That's a more accurate description, but like I said, consult an expert, don't rely on our information.



Clearing the mind is only the first level (samatha). Afterwards one may continue to second level (vipassana) which is observation with clear view.


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The goal in making your mind "still", is to turn off that constant conversation/chatter in your head that is almost always present....

This is why I said the shroomery isn't the place to learn meditation. Ask some experts on the subject and read some books. The goal of meditation is not to quiet the mental chatter as the above poster mentioned. The goal is to anchor your everyday activities with an ever-present state of observation, or witnessing. This is achieved through meditation, which is a method where you sit or stand in a prescribed posture, completely still, and allow thoughts to float in and out while observing them.

That's a more accurate description, but like I said, consult an expert, don't rely on our information.



Clearing the mind is only the first level (samatha). Afterwards one may continue to second level (vipassana) which is observation with clear view.




if both of these are legit then i think i may of experienced that. i first treid to focus on absolutely nothing and after kinda listening to my breathing without a thought i got a jumble of completely random thoughts.

it filled me with energy and with nearly 5 hours of sleep for the entire day i was filled with a desire to DO something.

it felt amazing and great.
cleared my mind up.

just like when i recieved my first massage. :thumbup: (except after the massage i had a clear mind for like 4 days.)
from my sister who is like really in tune with her body and energy kinda stuff.
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    #8092849 - 03/02/08 07:27 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Now you just have to control those jumble of completely random thoughts :smile:
I mean, the silencing in phase 1 is also meant to get a better control over ones thoughts, by identifying them, for better handling and even invoking them constructively and clear in phase 2 .


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