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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: jizmaster]
    #8060890 - 02/23/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There's an old german saying: Occasion makes (brings up) thieves...
...and power corrupts..superpower corrupts supremely :smile:
In regards to your link, they used a voltmeter on the original guru, which failed to detect anything. The guru simply said: yes, because it's Chi ! :wink:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8060899 - 02/23/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Gelegenheit macht Diebe.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8060926 - 02/23/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Indeededlydoo :thumbup:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8061428 - 02/23/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the full quote:
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electric eels can apparently generate shocks of 500W using cells that are modified muscle cells.




No it doesnt mean humans can do it, it means it may be possible and here's a potential mechanism. I dont know enough about biology to comment further.

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In regards to your link, they used a voltmeter on the original guru, which failed to detect anything. The guru simply said: yes, because it's Chi !




I thought it did eventually, then he got the led to light...


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: jizmaster]
    #8061958 - 02/23/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't see any lightning bolts, flying or telekinesis in the video.

Pardon me, but I was referring to what's in the book written by dynamo Jack's student. He claims some pretty crazy jedi meets harry potter shit.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Notendo]
    #8062043 - 02/23/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is an excellent video detailing the powers of empty force:



If you practice tai chi or qi gong you probably get a little pissed off this guy's out there making your art look so stupid. Maybe you want to just walk up to him and punch him out? Well, you'll like this video, then:



At least he had the balls to make a $5000.00 wager! Amazing, isn't it? The capacity for delusion in the human mind?

I have one more video to cap off the discussion. You guys know Derren Brown, the guy who debunks everything? He can act as a medium and he can even tell you what you dreamed of last night! Basically he's the ultimate skeptic because he can do all these things he doesn't believe in. Well guess what! He can do empty force too!



Impressive eh? The thing about empty force is it works on the person's students but nobody else. They seem to let themselves believe it happens.. hypnosis, whatever. Not that the teacher has to swing a pendulum before their eyes or anything. Basically it all come back to that capacity for delusion I mentioned earlier.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Notendo]
    #8063121 - 02/24/08 02:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For delusions one has to be aware of something.
In the original video, especially those crew members of the camera team, who got hit by the 'force' 'accidentally' are those who fascinate me. They were eager to discover him as a fraud.
And one can't light a led with delusion :smile:
Jizmaster, yes, it is strange to not measure any electric current and then make a led light. They hadn't found the correct range on the 'electro magnetic spectrum' for the Chi, not saying it is outside of it. And yes, if it would have been electricity, then the explanations would be easier :wink:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8065825 - 02/24/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:shake:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Notendo]
    #8066728 - 02/24/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have been fighting delusion for 8 years here. You cannot win as it goes too deep, but I wish you success.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8067671 - 02/25/08 05:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you think you are the only one who is not deluded?  This is what the above statement implies because to fight delusion you have to not be deluded yourself.

Theres a big problem here though.  Do you realize that almost everybody thinks that they are fighting the deluded ones!

Any religious person, any person of science, a mystic etc Everyone with an idea believes they are correct and that other people should be shown the light!

Can you not see that this is as much of a problem for your life philosophies as it is any other humans?

Simply by knowing this fact, you have to (to some extent) doubt your own points of view.  If you are sure, then you are as sure as a scientologist :grin:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Notendo]
    #8068189 - 02/25/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ok, for the first of your videos: I would like to see the same effect while they not constantly watch the 'master'. That's ridiculous.

The second video is great, I knew it :wink: Maybe the master will pretend that his forces didn't work, because the victim didn't believe in them :lol:

And the Derren Brown video I knew too, a great one either. He works with suggestions.

All in all I still think the original video is different. Lighting an LED, making paper burn, 'electrifying' skeptics or casual bystanders, because delusion or suggestions won't work very well in those cases. And of course even pushing sticks through solid wood would only be possible, if he would be a professional show magician or illusionist like those in Vegas.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8068311 - 02/25/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Humble lurker said:Any religious person, any person of science, a mystic etc Everyone with an idea believes they are correct and that other people should be shown the light!

Can you not see that this is as much of a problem for your life philosophies as it is any other humans?

Simply by knowing this fact, you have to (to some extent) doubt your own points of view.




:thumbup:

No matter how much we think we are right in our view, ultimately we are wrong.  None of us know anything about ourselves, the most knowledge we could gain is that we know nothing.  And we will probably never come to this actual knowledge, as our mind creates the belief that we think we know this knowledge.  How could we really know nothing when we are constantly engaged in and creating something?  Our mind fails to see how we create maya and how it exists on layers not noticed by our awareness.  We are not fully centered in awareness and don't even know what it really is to be.  We are centered in an image and reality that distracts us from realizing our place in all of this chaos.  No matter how much we think our shit don't stink, our shit DOES stink.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8068316 - 02/25/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, the videos I posted were a response to the persistent but unfounded belief in "empty force." Not something that was demonstrated in the original video we're discussing, but something that comes up in the book The Magus of Java, which is a book all about John Chang's (dynamo jack) supernatural powers written by a man who claims to be his student. In the book, massive amounts of power are discharged, leveling forests and slaying whole villages, and John Chang drives around in his car at breakneck speeds because he can protect himself with a bubble of "qi" that will protect himself and his passenger in the case of a crash.

As for the video I'm going to say, based on my experience with the same arts John Chang is purported to practice, that he's just a fraud who's found a little parlor trick that allows him to shock people. Probably a hidden electrical device, but I don't really feel like I need to know.

If you've read the books, you know what is claimed about this man: fireballs, shields a la star trek, telekinesis, communication with ghosts, and the list goes on. Many things that would be very hard to fake one after the other on a video. And then what do we get to see? A guy shocking people with his hand and a little trick with a chopstick.

One thing that made me chuckle on the video: The narrator talks about how he had an eye problem and so was visiting John Chang to get it treated, and the next time you see the host talking he's wearing an eye patch. Not a very effective treatment, then, Johnny?


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Notendo]
    #8068418 - 02/25/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:
Thank you, that was a brilliant explanation (perhaps I didn't read it right before) !
The hidden electric device is a very good idea of explanation. Even the eye-thing smells like fraud, you're right.
So, if added one and one together, he presumably fakes the paper-burning as well.
Damned, he did a good job, now I will put him on some same level with all those other artists and even be more critical about such :smile: Thanks, really man. I didn't know there even was such literature about him :wink:
If this really is true, I disregard such frauds for their deep dishonesty :frown:


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8068497 - 02/25/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Theres a big problem here though. Do you realize that almost everybody thinks that they are fighting the deluded ones!



Yet every single one who makes a specific claim contrary to my world view fails to produce. (See my latest one on remote viewing). I give people here chance after chance to demontstrate something they claim to be able to demonstrate, and... NOTHING!

Reiki: nope
Homeopathy: nope
TK/PK: nope
Hauntings: nope
ESP: nope
The Secret and manifesting: nope
Remote viewing: nope
Seeing auras: nope
Psychic healings: nope

On and on the merry-go round goes.


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Can you not see that this is as much of a problem for your life philosophies as it is any other humans?



No. If that were true someone sometime would once prove one of my challenges wrong and take my money. Fifty some challenges later and my money is as safe as ever.


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8068697 - 02/25/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, bluecoyote. Another thing about this guy that really bugs me is when he's zapping the little baby and the baby's crying away. Where I come from we call that child abuse! If he's got such crazy control over his body's energy, why does he have to shock and hurt that kid? Why not gently radiate warm healing waves?


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Notendo]
    #8068731 - 02/25/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That was my favorite part of the whole video. :evil:


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8069437 - 02/25/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There must still be something in you that says "I could be wrong".

Yes or no?

I see that if you accept this it will be followed by "but so far I haven't been."


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8069481 - 02/25/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have pleaded for 8 years here for someone to prove me wrong. Instead all I get is accusations of being arrogant.

Is my persona truly more important than whether or not chi (or substitute magick or your choice) is fact or fiction?


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Re: Swami, take a look at this... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8070304 - 02/25/08 09:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Yet every single one who makes a specific claim contrary to my world view fails to produce.
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Psychic healings: nope




You mean, all that psychic energy I sent over to you for the last couple of weeks hasn't made you better from your illness yet....?    :what:
HHhhhmmmm....
Might be time for a psychic tune up....    :voila:


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