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Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth
    #8047614 - 02/20/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/20/meth.ecstasy/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

ALBANY, New York (CNN) -- Nick, 16, says ecstasy is rampant in his high school, with kids often mixing the drug with meth and other substances.

More than half of all ecstasy seized in the United States last year was laced with meth, authorities say.

"You just have to know the right person. It's about as easy as any other drug. You just gotta ask for it," says Nick, who asked that his last name not be used. "It's easy to get."

Law enforcement officials say stories like these highlight a disturbing trend they're seeing across the country. Most alarming, they say, is not only is ecstasy back after years of decline, but most of the time it's laced with meth.

More than 55 percent of the ecstasy samples seized in the United States last year contained meth, according to the Office of National Drug Control Policy, compared with 44.5 percent the previous year. And the drugs are coming in at rapid pace from Canada.

Almost 5.5 million pills of ecstasy were seized in the states bordering Canada in 2006 (the most recent year for which full statistics are available) -- an almost tenfold increase since 2003, top drug enforcement officials say.

"They drive them in. They bring them in by boat. They bring them in by plane. They bring them across by people just carrying them across their back much like the southwest border," says Ed Duffy, an assistant special agent in charge for the Drug Enforcement Administration's northern region.

Because meth is less expensive than ecstasy, mixing the two saves producers money, but it also makes it more dangerous, officials say.

Ecstasy can cause sharp increases in body temperature and can result in liver, kidney or heart damage. When laced with meth, officials say, the combination can cause more severe harm because meth can damage brain functions, as well as lead to an increase in breathing, irregular heartbeats and increased blood pressure. The National Institute on Drug Abuse says meth -- or methamphetamine -- is a "very addictive stimulant drug."

Law enforcement officials say European countries cracked down on ecstasy production in the early 2000s and manufacturing moved to Canada. And now, Asian gangs in Canada have been smuggling the chemicals needed to make ecstasy from China and India, officials with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police tell CNN.

Finished pills are then pushed in vast quantities into the United States, a flow that's difficult to stop because of the vast, largely unpoliced border, officials say.

Those on the front lines in Canada and the United States say they are working closely and sharing intelligence to try to stem the flow. Canadian officials also say they have a good relationship with Chinese law enforcement.

The Mounties have created teams across Canada focused on identifying the criminal organizations producing ecstasy and meth and say they have shut down 17 labs in the past year.

"The labs that we're finding now are what you refer to in the United States as super labs. We call them economic-based labs," says Raf Souccar, assistant commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Each lab produces more than 10 pounds of ecstasy in one batch, he says. "It's not your mom and pop operation. It tells me that it is criminal organizations that are, yes, more sophisticated and producing it for profit as opposed to producing it to fuel their habit."

It's then finding its way into schools, like Nick's in Albany, New York.

"I have been seeing an increase in pill use among the teens in general," says Greg Reid, a counselor at Equinox Community Services Agency, which sponsors drug counseling and other activities for youth in Albany.

"They do something called 'pharming' where they throw a bunch of pills into a bowl and kind of choose or take out the pills they want."

Ecstasy pills are often among the drugs of choice in the bowl.

"I have seen that increase in the past two years," Reid says. "Ecstasy ... can be very dangerous, especially if you don't know what it is getting mixed with."


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: dwtk]
    #8047645 - 02/20/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if mdma was legal it probably wouldnt be laced with anything... just another product of a failed drug war...


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: wortiesbo]
    #8047827 - 02/20/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

our billions of dollars yearly hard at work. :rolleyes:


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: dwtk]
    #8047879 - 02/20/08 03:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Pills have always been just random pills, Who gives a fuck?

Everyones still poppin and havin a good time.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8048060 - 02/20/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Humble lurker said:
Pills have always been just random pills, Who gives a fuck?

Everyones still poppin and havin a good time.




well some people dont like meth in their pills. and prior to mdma being scheduled you could get it pure.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: wortiesbo]
    #8048091 - 02/20/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thats 10 minutes away from me.

At least he isn't say E IS GOING TO KILL THOUSANDS


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: wortiesbo]
    #8048096 - 02/20/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't like anything in my pills. If I want MDMA, I want MDMA. If I want MDA I want MDA. Just like I wouldn't want to be smoking weed laced with pcp as I have unwittingly done before.

I hate meth, this is one reason why I've stopped rolling. It's getting increasingly difficult to get clean presses. I honestly don't mind a little DXM or K, but meth, amp, procaine, pma, etc. uh uh. These producers should be ashamed of themselves.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: dwtk]
    #8048261 - 02/20/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was just about to post this....

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Because meth is less expensive than ecstasy, mixing the two saves producers money, but it also makes it more dangerous, officials say.





It saves money, and the regular user now-a-days (not as informed people) - which is the main userbase - like to have speedy pills. Especially in clubs and high energy environments. The combination of the two make it why there is so much. I like having the option of having a speedy one, or a pure one personally depending on what I am doing.

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"The labs that we're finding now are what you refer to in the United States as super labs. We call them economic-based labs," says Raf Souccar, assistant commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.





Hah, US propaganda terminology.

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Each lab produces more than 10 pounds of ecstasy in one batch, he says. "It's not your mom and pop operation. It tells me that it is criminal organizations that are, yes, more sophisticated and producing it for profit as opposed to producing it to fuel their habit."





People personally make mdma to fuel their own habits? Unless your a chem major... since when?

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"They do something called 'pharming' where they throw a bunch of pills into a bowl and kind of choose or take out the pills they want."

Ecstasy pills are often among the drugs of choice in the bowl.





WTF

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"I have seen that increase in the past two years," Reid says. "Ecstasy ... can be very dangerous, especially if you don't know what it is getting mixed with."




This is true. Thats why you make sure to test your shit, get it from a trusted source that tests their shit, and don't eat a ton at once. Lots of people don't have common sense. I'm sure lots of people here have a horror story or know someone that does. I know I do.

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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: ilus]
    #8048336 - 02/20/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Most pressed pills contain meth, but its not like..smoking meth ahaha. Its just cheaper speed for pressed pills.

And sometimes a street press speedy mdma trip can be funner then a pure.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: F1234K]
    #8048435 - 02/20/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I love fallacies and that article is filled with em


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: itsthedank]
    #8048473 - 02/20/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Source; http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2008/jan/07/ecstasy_laced_with_meth_is_bad_b

The Drug Czar is warning everyone about an epidemic of meth-laced ecstasy tablets coming into the country from Canada:

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More than half of all ecstasy seized in the United States last year was laced with meth, authorities say.




I'll tell you whose fault this isn't: mine. See, I don't think ecstasy should even be illegal. I don't want it to be manufactured by drug gangs in Canada, or anyone else who might lace it with methamphetamine or other noxious crap. I think it should be manufactured by licensed professionals and sold to adults through regulated outlets. Many people have been saying this for a long time to no avail and now look what's happened.

So if meth-laced ecstasy isn’t my fault, whose fault is it? Ironically, but rather obviously, it is the fault of the exact people who now complain about all the bad ecstasy rolling across our northern border.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: wortiesbo]
    #8048664 - 02/20/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

wortiesbo said:

well some people dont like meth in their pills. and prior to mdma being scheduled you could get it pure.




uhh... you can still find the pure if you look hard enough or already know the good enough people.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: cappincrunk]
    #8048978 - 02/20/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Most alarming, they say, is not only is ecstasy back after years of decline, but most of the time it's laced with meth.

More than 55 percent of the ecstasy samples seized in the United States last year contained meth




Hmm, if they think 55% is most of the time, then by their standards, most Americans have done drugs despite their illegal status. That doesn't change how they treat drugs, so why the hell do they care if E is laced with meth? Its still illegal and thats all they care about right?

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"I have seen that increase in the past two years," Reid says. "Ecstasy ... can be very dangerous, especially if you don't know what it is getting mixed with."




If they were concerned with people taking drugs under the impression they are something else, they would regulate drugs instead of allowing manufacturing to take place in uncontrolled labs.

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Finished pills are then pushed in vast quantities into the United States, a flow that's difficult to stop because of the vast, largely unpoliced border, officials say.




Or the flow is difficult to stop because of the vast demand. If people didn't want E, they wouldn't buy it and there would be no market.

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"I have been seeing an increase in pill use among the teens in general," says Greg Reid, a counselor at Equinox Community Services Agency, which sponsors drug counseling and other activities for youth in Albany.




Has anyone realized that pills are about the easiest drug to do besides LSD? Its easy to hide, easy to explain, and easy to take. They don't have to worry about smelling like they just smoked anything, no track marks, and no deformed nostrils. With the Nazis walking from classroom to classroom smelling everyone's hands for weed and cigarettes its no surprise kids are just popping pills instead.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth *DELETED* [Re: cappincrunk]
    #8049007 - 02/20/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: HighHat]
    #8049588 - 02/20/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

girl i know throws a pool party(16 ftw)

parents dont want drinking or smoking

so what does everyone grab before they come thru to the house?

mhmm meth bombs:drooling:


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Konyap]
    #8051111 - 02/21/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

aiyobro said:
girl i know throws a pool party(16 ftw)

parents dont want drinking or smoking

so what does everyone grab before they come thru to the house?

mhmm meth bombs:drooling:




When the kids are still up 3 days later in the grips of a horrible come down, they may never eat a pill again.

Hopefully if enough people turn their backs on these meth bombs, there will be a change in the mind of the producers and we might get some clean, nice pills again.

I already see it happening in my area. Presses that are known to be clean are snatched up immediately, after which they become impossible to find and highly prized, whereas the meth bombs and other adultered presses are abundant and cheap, and no one wants them.

This has happened with the very clean Red Transformers, Yellow Luis Vuitton, and Green Buddhas. Inversley presses like green Jordans are easier to get your hands on, but no one wants them anymore after one bad night with them, or simply from negative word of mouth.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8051406 - 02/21/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

red transformers.... I loved those! :thumbup:


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Pedroz]
    #8051453 - 02/21/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

red supermans orange lexus, these things are eatin up round here like candy

word of mouth is only a head trauma away and people dont seem to care, it sucks but at least in new york besides antidepressents i think theyre the only type thatll get round, no matter how many people stupify/o.d.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Konyap]
    #8051551 - 02/21/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What about E laced with "Cheese"?


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: 2end4]
    #8051925 - 02/21/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"you just have to ask for it"



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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: wortiesbo]
    #8051975 - 02/21/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

wortiesbo said:
Quote:

Humble lurker said:
Pills have always been just random pills, Who gives a fuck?

Everyones still poppin and havin a good time.




well some people dont like meth in their pills. and prior to mdma being scheduled you could get it pure.




key word there. you still CAN in places.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: wortiesbo]
    #8055385 - 02/22/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if murder were legal it wouldn't have to be tainted by planning and cunning.
the point of the legislation is to prevent ecstacy's legality, the costs are hardly relevant. it's a moral issue.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Lakefingers]
    #8062014 - 02/23/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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the point of the legislation is to prevent ecstacy's legality, the costs are hardly relevant. it's a moral issue.




Yes, its a moral issue. The US makes it illegal, tries to force other countries to make it illegal, and in the process, hands over an economy to seedy people who are not bound by quality control, labor laws, or in many cases, respect for human life. All for what? To protect the financial interests of a certain few? To give paranoid parents a false sense of security? To impose religious values on others? To punish responsible, informed individuals for social dissent? To prosecute minorities? To tell bold-face lies and create a rally point to further their own goals?

I think our legislators have made it clear what their morals are.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth *DELETED* [Re: Lakefingers]
    #8062061 - 02/23/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Lakefingers]
    #8062331 - 02/23/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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if murder were legal it wouldn't have to be tainted by planning and cunning.




If you want to compare murder with prohibition, look at it this way.

When you murder someone you are essentially making a decision for them that results in the person never being able to make another choice, or engage in another action in this world.

When you impose prohibition on people you reduce their choices to follow the rules or possibly get caught which results in more choices being taken away.

Now, suppose you take MDMA and have a bad reaction and die. Whose choice was it to take the MDMA? So in effect, you are limiting your own choices which was a choice you made. This is freedom, to make any choice you please.

Of course there should be limits set by society on the choices you make that would limit the choices of others (such as murder).

Also, to compound the fallacy of prohibition, misinformation can lead people to make the wrong choices that lead to the limiting of one's own choices, such as telling people one thing that is not true, thus discrediting yourself so information you distribute that is true goes ignored.

Of course you can try to argue that say, a family member chooses to take MDMA and has a bad reaction and dies. You can say that the death of the family member limits the choices of the family, but if this was so important to the family member they would not have made the choice to take a risk.

You can also say that children make bad choices. This is PRECISELY why drugs like MDMA should be taxed and regulated. This has been shown to work with alcohol in that children and young adults still find it easier to obtain illegal drugs than alcohol.

This is why prohibition is immoral.

Steps should be taken to tax, regulate, and educate when it comes to drugs in the US.

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Thats why I can go right now and buy a case of everclear or wild turkey 150 proof fucking alcohol




I can get 190 proof Everclear around here. More than enough to kill a few people in 1 bottle.



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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: HighHat]
    #8063139 - 02/24/08 02:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yes, the comparison can seem obtuse or inaccurate,
but there's a common moral issue that i'm trying to get at,
despite murder and drug-prohibition drawing to extremes and not
actually meeting dialectically.

we can be angered all we want. legilsation is rarely made
based on facts, statistics, researched positions and the like,
but rather moral issues. in that way use of certain drugs becomes
something of the same order as murder.

perhaps looking at it this way will save some anxiety,
give some understanding, keep the outlook focused on
what's relevant and what battles can be fought and when.
certainly if a majority of lawmakers thought this and
a majority of the population thought this, then no one could hide behind the moral issue anymore,
things would have to change. either the issue would shift its
gravitation towards a new regime of smoke or it would break down.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Chemy]
    #8063144 - 02/24/08 02:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

as long prohibition is immoral you'll be arguing
on the same grounds as politicians, media personalities, etc.

if it's not a moral issue, then what is it? a simple legal
issue? follow the rules, they're rational, administer, administrate, admonish? do you think that they laws are rational,
just and egalitarian, or?


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Lakefingers]
    #8063926 - 02/24/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, many laws are hardly a rational solution to or adequate prevention to problems. People get scared and legislators go with the hype and do a haphazard job at crafting laws. There should be more effort put into the research and consequences of laws that are being considered. There also needs to be an effort to review and change laws that are not working. Thats what I want. Prohibition and illegal immigration are my focus, but that does not mean that those are the only issues I pay attention to.


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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: HighHat]
    #8067566 - 02/25/08 03:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

way to go off topic with this retarded comparison that should barely be responded to.


Meth has hijacked E since 2002/03 or so i have been told, they come out with this news in 08? lol the drug war will never be won trust me


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