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 Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth  [Re: wortiesbo]
#8051975 - 02/21/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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wortiesbo said:
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Humble lurker said:
Pills have always been just random pills, Who gives a fuck?
Everyones still poppin and havin a good time.
well some people dont like meth in their pills. and prior to mdma being scheduled you could get it pure.
key word there. you still CAN in places.
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Lakefingers
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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: wortiesbo]
#8055385 - 02/22/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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if murder were legal it wouldn't have to be tainted by planning and cunning.
the point of the legislation is to prevent ecstacy's legality, the costs are hardly relevant. it's a moral issue.
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 HighHat
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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Lakefingers]
#8062014 - 02/23/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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the point of the legislation is to prevent ecstacy's legality, the costs are hardly relevant. it's a moral issue.
Yes, its a moral issue. The US makes it illegal, tries to force other countries to make it illegal, and in the process, hands over an economy to seedy people who are not bound by quality control, labor laws, or in many cases, respect for human life. All for what? To protect the financial interests of a certain few? To give paranoid parents a false sense of security? To impose religious values on others? To punish responsible, informed individuals for social dissent? To prosecute minorities? To tell bold-face lies and create a rally point to further their own goals?
I think our legislators have made it clear what their morals are.
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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth *DELETED* [Re: Lakefingers]
#8062061 - 02/23/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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God bless you all and I hope you receive the help you need to turn away from your lives of sin.
Mushrooms and drugs make you gay, you can reverse this homosexual condition with rehab, get help! Stop being gay!
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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Lakefingers]
#8062331 - 02/23/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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if murder were legal it wouldn't have to be tainted by planning and cunning.
If you want to compare murder with prohibition, look at it this way.
When you murder someone you are essentially making a decision for them that results in the person never being able to make another choice, or engage in another action in this world.
When you impose prohibition on people you reduce their choices to follow the rules or possibly get caught which results in more choices being taken away.
Now, suppose you take MDMA and have a bad reaction and die. Whose choice was it to take the MDMA? So in effect, you are limiting your own choices which was a choice you made. This is freedom, to make any choice you please.
Of course there should be limits set by society on the choices you make that would limit the choices of others (such as murder).
Also, to compound the fallacy of prohibition, misinformation can lead people to make the wrong choices that lead to the limiting of one's own choices, such as telling people one thing that is not true, thus discrediting yourself so information you distribute that is true goes ignored.
Of course you can try to argue that say, a family member chooses to take MDMA and has a bad reaction and dies. You can say that the death of the family member limits the choices of the family, but if this was so important to the family member they would not have made the choice to take a risk.
You can also say that children make bad choices. This is PRECISELY why drugs like MDMA should be taxed and regulated. This has been shown to work with alcohol in that children and young adults still find it easier to obtain illegal drugs than alcohol.
This is why prohibition is immoral.
Steps should be taken to tax, regulate, and educate when it comes to drugs in the US.
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Thats why I can go right now and buy a case of everclear or wild turkey 150 proof fucking alcohol
I can get 190 proof Everclear around here. More than enough to kill a few people in 1 bottle.
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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: HighHat]
#8063139 - 02/24/08 02:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes, the comparison can seem obtuse or inaccurate,
but there's a common moral issue that i'm trying to get at,
despite murder and drug-prohibition drawing to extremes and not
actually meeting dialectically.
we can be angered all we want. legilsation is rarely made
based on facts, statistics, researched positions and the like,
but rather moral issues. in that way use of certain drugs becomes
something of the same order as murder.
perhaps looking at it this way will save some anxiety,
give some understanding, keep the outlook focused on
what's relevant and what battles can be fought and when.
certainly if a majority of lawmakers thought this and
a majority of the population thought this, then no one could hide behind the moral issue anymore,
things would have to change. either the issue would shift its
gravitation towards a new regime of smoke or it would break down.
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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Chemy]
#8063144 - 02/24/08 02:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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as long prohibition is immoral you'll be arguing
on the same grounds as politicians, media personalities, etc.
if it's not a moral issue, then what is it? a simple legal
issue? follow the rules, they're rational, administer, administrate, admonish? do you think that they laws are rational,
just and egalitarian, or?
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HighHat
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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: Lakefingers]
#8063926 - 02/24/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, many laws are hardly a rational solution to or adequate prevention to problems. People get scared and legislators go with the hype and do a haphazard job at crafting laws. There should be more effort put into the research and consequences of laws that are being considered. There also needs to be an effort to review and change laws that are not working. Thats what I want. Prohibition and illegal immigration are my focus, but that does not mean that those are the only issues I pay attention to.
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Re: Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth [Re: HighHat]
#8067566 - 02/25/08 03:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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way to go off topic with this retarded comparison that should barely be responded to.
Meth has hijacked E since 2002/03 or so i have been told, they come out with this news in 08? lol the drug war will never be won trust me
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