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Experiment: Does stressing San Pedro's work?
    #8047535 - 02/20/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

With all the different views on whether stressing the San Pedro cactus actually increases content, I was thinking people should try and do an experiment. I plan to as soon as I'm able to.

Now what would be the best way to test this. I suppose get two San Pedro's as close to identical as possible. Maybe from the same cactus originally; repotted, grown in same conditions, with same watering, feeding, fertilizing. Then stress one fairly hard and leave the other alone. But how would one see the difference once extracted? Use two different people at the same time could be erroneous because obviously different people take the effects differently. Harvest and extract one, dose... wait how long before harvest the other and compare the effects?

Please lets hear everyones comments, criticism, input!


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Re: Experiment: Does stressing San Pedro's work? [Re: Raven0us]
    #8047627 - 02/20/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why don't you just weigh your product and divide it by the mass of the cactus fraction you extracted it from. Centigram scales are cheap and if you process each piece of cactus identically, you should come out with products that look the same. Just weigh it. It's one of the few non-subjective methods you could perform.


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Re: Experiment: Does stressing San Pedro's work? [Re: Raven0us]
    #8047630 - 02/20/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's a lot more involved than it might seeem at first if you did it scientifically.

I'd say you'd want to test different ways of stressing to really determine what the causes are.

You'd probably also want to use pieces from the same cutting to ensure there is an equal starting point.

Some sort of extraction would be needed to accurately determine this. It would need to be the done in a way that you'd know the extraction process isn't causing the different levels. You'd also have to isolate the alkaloids to know for sure what you have.


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Re: Experiment: Does stressing San Pedro's work? [Re: blazed123]
    #8047738 - 02/20/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i would do this without getting too scientific

just sort of one stressed vs. one not stressed

as far as weight, the stressed cacti starting at the same weight would lose weight through not being watered enough, poked, beaten, raped... in theory anyway.


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Re: Experiment: Does stressing San Pedro's work? [Re: blazed123]
    #8047991 - 02/20/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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blazed123 said:
Some sort of extraction would be needed to accurately determine this.




Not at all with access to mass spectrometers.

OP:
If your not going to make this experiment as "scientific" as possible there no point in doing it because otherwise, any info extracted from the experiment can be disregarded as BS.


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Re: Experiment: Does stressing San Pedro's work? [Re: Knoa6]
    #8048036 - 02/20/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well I'm just trying to be rational, as far as myself doing it as an experiment it would be quite cut and dry, and not much scientific perfection in it.

If anyone is able to actually do this, kudos to them.

My purpose was just to try to figure out what the truth is about stressing the san pedro, and I think a lot of people would be interested to hear some facts, whether very scientific or not. I would hope at least some good could be gained from a fairly simple experiement, as well as a detailed experiment.


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Re: Experiment: Does stressing San Pedro's work? [Re: Raven0us]
    #8049823 - 02/20/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There really aren't too many facts to be gleaned from a non-rigorous study. Too many other factors could have affected your results, and therefore they are meaningless.


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Re: Experiment: Does stressing San Pedro's work? [Re: Raven0us]
    #8049885 - 02/20/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Raven0us said:
poked, beaten, raped...



mmm you kmow we all enjoy raping our pedros! almost as good as porcupines!

*dons the leather and takes out a whip*


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