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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8197478 - 03/26/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I guess this proves that the credit given to the Surge is complete bogus, the only reason Baghdad is as safe as it is was Al Qaeda losing favor with sunni militias and inturn wanting to share more of a part for their own security.

A large amount of the people in place of security in Baghdad are Sadr loyalists and other shiite extremists. Wait till the Sunni paramilitaries start wanting more involvement in the government, I doubt the majority shiia will allow that to happen without any bloodshed.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8197823 - 03/26/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Had to be done sooner or later.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8198964 - 03/26/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Probably true.

Like I said a month ago, the guy is a thug and we should have killed him when we had the chance.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8199390 - 03/26/08 11:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

John Robb has a pretty good write up on the situation

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/

JOURNAL: Sadr's Defensive Strategy
The Iraqi government's militias (Army/police) are on the offensive in Basra, in an attempt to regain control of oil exports from the Mahdi army. In contrast to previous engagements with the Mahdi army, this fight is going to more interesting. A leaner and more efficient Mahdi army has learned from Hezbollah's success in southern Lebanon that a carefully planned defensive strategy in combination with a strategic timer (a series of actions that inflict visible strategic damage to the opponent) can rapidly dissolve the political will of a weak adversary (Maliki certainly fits that description). In addition to the defense of Mahdi army neighborhoods and efforts to interdict the supplies of Iraqi army/police forces operating in Basra, here's what will be done on the strategic side:
Increase US casualties/embarrassment during a politically sensitive time. Rocket attacks on the Green zone. More IED/small arms attacks on US troops. The objective is to increase US pressure Maliki to accelerate his time table or ending it early if objectives aren't quickly achieved.
Disrupt daily life/economics. There is already an economic slowdown/strike underway under the banner of civil disobedience. Businesses are closing due to a lack of workers. This will quickly exacerbate an already dire economic situation and increase pressure on the government to stop the conflict.
Disrupt the oil system. This hasn't occurred yet, but it is very likely to occur shortly. The Mahdi army has the ability to shut down, indefinitely, all oil production (a million barrels a day) in southern Iraq. This effort will cost the government tens of millions in revenues for each day of the conflict. It may prove be the most effective means of prematurely terminating Maliki's offensive.
UPDATE: The assault on Basra already appears to be stalling. The Mahdi army has better weapons than the Iraqi government opposition and is fighting well in urban zones. If the strategic timer adds oil system disruption, it's over (and potentially Maliki's hold on power).


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #8204286 - 03/27/08 11:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Maliki is probably going to be sacked by SCIRI in the coming days. Lots of crazy shit is about to happen in Iraq, 1/3 oil production was cut and Sadrists control the roads into Basra the supply route of coalition forces, this is going to either be long, or Sadr is trying to force a political deal on the iraqi government.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #8204361 - 03/27/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Things are not good at all.

I would agree with Maliki being gone. I was just driving home from work and the BBC was talking about groups of Iraqi Security Forces throwing down their uniforms and joining Sadr's forces.

Many businesses have no workers because of the Sadr-controlled strike, the people are under curfew, and the main revenue source of the Iraqi government is being cut off.

I don't see any way this can end well.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8205391 - 03/28/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I hope Iraq/U.S. kicks some ASS this weekend!


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8206816 - 03/28/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I had no idea we were paying people not to shoot at us, that is incedibly retarded, is that the word? Won't they just buy weapons and shoot us later?

So John McCain said in a recent speach that if we leave Iraq there will be a civil war. What happens if there is a civil war while we are there? This shit is getting out of control, makes me sad to think about. War is human nature I guess.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #8207113 - 03/28/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Evan said:
I had no idea we were paying people not to shoot at us, that is incedibly retarded, is that the word? Won't they just buy weapons and shoot us later?

So John McCain said in a recent speach that if we leave Iraq there will be a civil war. What happens if there is a civil war while we are there? This shit is getting out of control, makes me sad to think about. War is human nature I guess.





"The US and Iraqi military have killed more than 70 Mahdi Army fighters in Shia neighborhood in Baghdad alone over the past three days."
:thumbup:
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
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http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/03/fighting_in_baghdad.php


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8207563 - 03/28/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I'm guessing you are implying things are going well? Don't know that I could agree.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #8207798 - 03/28/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Evan said:
I'm guessing you are implying things are going well? Don't know that I could agree.




You and others may like the idea of the Untied States pulling out of Iraq and the country falling into a Civil War.

I like it when Iran backed Terrorists are getting killed. :shrug:

Iraqi Security Forces, Coalition forces target terrorists, kill 26

“We cannot stress enough how relentless we will be in our pursuit of those who attack Iraqi and Coalition forces and who terrorize Iraqi citizens,” said Col. Allen Batschelet, chief of staff, MND-B. We will pursue them and bring them to justice.”

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17887&Itemid=128


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8207951 - 03/28/08 07:26 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

The country is in a civil war right now, except its not north vs south, its north vs south, east vs west, northwest vs southwest etc. You're out of your mind if you think that country will ever be normalized in the next 50 years. We'll stay there to prevent the obvious for the next 50 years, none of our business and not worth our lives and money. Its the dumbest policy ever implemented and no ones learned from their mistakes in Vietnam.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8208876 - 03/29/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

"The US and Iraqi military have killed more than 70 Mahdi Army fighters in Shia neighborhood in Baghdad alone over the past three days."




Let us count together, shall we, the number of Shia Mahdi Army rebels involved in the 9/11 attacks... :rolleyes:


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8208925 - 03/29/08 12:32 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

meaning what?

No one is really saying they attacked us, or iraq.

I think its very debatable if all these terrorists are of the type who'd come here to attack us if we weren't there spending shittons of cash and lives.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: johnm214]
    #8208935 - 03/29/08 12:37 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

You miss his point completely.

Lonestar is touting the number of dead militiamen. But those idiots couldn't find America on a map and certainly had no part in the 9/11 attacks which are the erstwhile reason for this "War On Terror"

This whole fucking Iraqi Civil War is a sideshow that serves no purpose but to recruit more terrorists and let OBL live relatively free of fear of the Americans finding him.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8209109 - 03/29/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

how is it by saying they weren't involved in 9/11 he was saying they won't attack us?

I don't think I miss his point, I'm saying its irrelevant and conceded.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: johnm214]
    #8209251 - 03/29/08 03:43 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

:confused:


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8213754 - 03/30/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Sadr Says "Uncle"


Muqtada al-Sadr apparently has had enough; he's offered a "truce" if the Iraqi government will stop attacking his men. I'm not close enough to the situation to know whether it would be better to accept the truce or continue disabling Sadr's militia, but the proposal seems like a clear indication that things haven't gone as Sadr intended.

This episode might prove to be, as President Bush suggested, a defining moment in Iraq's post-war history.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/





Sadr's order comes after fighting across the country since Tuesday alone had killed more than 240 people.


http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7010482614

"Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr offered to pull his fighters off the streets of Basra Sunday if the Iraqi government halts raids targeting his followers and releases prisoners."

NO DEAL!!!!!

Mookie is getting his ass kicked, do not let him Surrender! The offensive shouldn't’t stop until all of his people are dead.


Unfortunately Mookie himself is probably being sheltered in Iran....


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8214034 - 03/30/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

From what I read in the Tribune this morning, the only cease-fire that Sadr has offered is the one with the exact same terms he offered last week. Release of all of his followers held in jail and no more arrests.

If Maliki agrees to this, he is basically saying that Sadr kicked his ass and he has no recourse.

You're fucking dumb.


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Re: Biggest Insurgent Group In Iraq To End Cease-Fire w/ US Army? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8214172 - 03/30/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
From what I read in the Tribune this morning, the only cease-fire that Sadr has offered is the one with the exact same terms he offered last week.  Release of all of his followers held in jail and no more arrests.

If Maliki agrees to this, he is basically saying that Sadr kicked his ass and he has no recourse.

You're fucking dumb.




Sadr orders followers to end fighting

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/03/sadr_orders_follower.php


Maliki gives Shiite militias in Basra three days to surrender!

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-iraq27mar27,1,552185.story


Al-Sadr calls off fighting amid airstrikes, crackdown

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/30/iraq.main/?iref=hpmostpop


Maliki and the U.S. are kicking Mookies ASS! :rotfl:


Madtown and the Liberals will all be crying in their beer tonight...


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