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Dropping out of College
    #8046771 - 02/20/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thoughts?


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046775 - 02/20/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

bad idea?


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046779 - 02/20/08 11:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How far through it are you? I just finished 4 years of Uni. and left myself with a hefty debt, a lot of people i know from high school are stuck in crap jobs but have no debt ... so as of right now i wish i never went through with it but probably in the long run it's a good decision to stick with it so you can do something you enjoy and ultimately make good money. I'll appreciate it more once i start seeing the benefit of it.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046781 - 02/20/08 11:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do it. I sure know I didn't.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046784 - 02/20/08 11:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I dropped out, best decision I ever made!



is that what you want to hear? (it's not true)


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046790 - 02/20/08 11:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i liked doing it so much, i did it twice! true story kids...

stay in school.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Boom]
    #8046800 - 02/20/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Boom said:
I dropped out, best decision I ever made!



is that what you want to hear? (it's not true)




ROFL i got excited until i read the last part. Are you guys serious? Its really that horrible of an idea!?

The hippi's did it in the 60's. Why caint i drop out, light a phatty, and live on love?


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046813 - 02/20/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Love doesn't pay the bills.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046815 - 02/20/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You can do whatever you want, but get that degree. You'll get tired of bumming around eventually and be pissed that you dropped out.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046816 - 02/20/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well if yer into the arts and crafts and music, college really isn't necessary--just because you have a piece of paper that says you can play music, or paint purty colours, doesn't mean it is good. That kind of shit is pretty damn subjective. Tell Stevie Ray Vaughn or Hendrix they should've took lessons? I don't think so.

As for Surgeons, optometrists, science in general college is a neccessity. Unlike art, whether the doctor fucked up or not is pretty obvious. So I'd stick with college when going into professions that deal with other people at a crucial level.

College wasn't for me dude. I'm a starving artist, and happy. All the information I could ever want about my crafts (Art, Music, Humour) is basically free.

So I'd say it depends on a combination on your route to happiness and what you want to become.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8046825 - 02/20/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah - a degree in arts or music sounds like fun, but seems pretty worthless. Might as well be a communications major


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8046827 - 02/20/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Well if yer into the arts and crafts and music, college really isn't necessary--just because you have a piece of paper that says you can play music, or paint purty colours, doesn't mean it is good. That kind of shit is pretty damn subjective. Tell Stevie Ray Vaughn or Hendrix they should've took lessons? I don't think so.

As for Surgeons, optometrists, science in general college is a neccessity. Unlike art, whether the doctor fucked up or not is pretty obvious. So I'd stick with college when going into professions that deal with other people at a crucial level.

College wasn't for me dude. I'm a starving artist, and happy. All the information I could ever want about my crafts (Art, Music, Humour) is basically free.

So I'd say it depends on a combination on your route to happiness and what you want to become.




THANK YOU! Can i please have some more "Im a happy guy without a degree" Stories?

When i come back from Psycology i want a shitload of happy topics and "Its all gonna be OK" stories..........please :sad:


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8046830 - 02/20/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Well if yer into the arts and crafts and music, college really isn't necessary--just because you have a piece of paper that says you can play music, or paint purty colours, doesn't mean it is good. That kind of shit is pretty damn subjective. Tell Stevie Ray Vaughn or Hendrix they should've took lessons? I don't think so.

As for Surgeons, optometrists, science in general college is a neccessity. Unlike art, whether the doctor fucked up or not is pretty obvious. So I'd stick with college when going into professions that deal with other people at a crucial level.

College wasn't for me dude. I'm a starving artist, and happy. All the information I could ever want about my crafts (Art, Music, Humour) is basically free.

So I'd say it depends on a combination on your route to happiness and what you want to become.




I completely agree, just don't go for a degree where you can't get a job out of school unless you go back for another 3-4 years like me ... bad decision on my part but oh well ...

4 YEARS TO GO!!


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Boom]
    #8046831 - 02/20/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

but, whatever, it's still a degree that puts you above people when looking for a job :shrug:


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8046838 - 02/20/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Stay in school man, it is hard enough for grads to find jobs, let alone drop outs.
Its not like its a 10 year thing. Just do it. If you drop out, you will probably regret it later.
Unless you are in school for the arts Just stay.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: creekfreek]
    #8046845 - 02/20/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What are you taking if you don't mind me asking? i mean it's not like it's very hard, you just have to work for it ... you'll end up trying just as hard to find a job without a degree as you would towards GETTING your degree which in the long run will be a better thing!


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046847 - 02/20/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If you are content giving up the money you have invested in your education up to this point, and you have a viable plan for the future, by all means go ahead and do it. 


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THANK YOU! Can i please have some more "Im a happy guy without a degree" Stories?



I matriculated three years in the University of California system and left after my second year in Santa Cruz (was a freshman in Santa Barbara).  Not that I didn't love the place, I did, but a business opportunity presented itself and I figured I'd take a shot at starting my own retail website selling subwoofer speakers custom built and branded under my name.  Fortunately, I had a working relationship with the company that would build my products before I actually left school, and had saved up about $10,000 in capital to use in order to finance my first purchase orders. 

It has been an exciting and rewarding experience.  And though I no longer live in beautiful Santa Cruz, it's been some four years now and my business has taken in over a quarter million dollars of sales.  Not to say there haven't been roadblocks along the way!  My producer in fact declared bankruptsy last December and I have about $25,000 worth of production awaiting delivery.  They have since reopened a new shop, and having a personal relationship with me, committed to deliver on the products they owe... but in the meantime it has destroyed my inventory and left me with considerably less cash flow.  On the upside, I saved up profits from the first three years in business and now am getting a handle on investing (see: Stock picks).  I also late last year started to manage a few rental properties for an owner who moved out of state, as a result collecting 5% of the gross revenue each month.

While I am tootin' my own horn a bit (hey I've been sick for a week and I want something to feel good about! :wink: ), I'm also making a point that the future is unpredictable, and unless you have a better game plan and you are willing to work for it, you should stay in school as that was your original game plan to begin with.  That said, I do not have a degree and I am very happy (but also quite lucky).  I get to spend my days working from home, on my own hours, and typically spend half that time either on the Shroomery or playing my guitar.  Your mileage may vary, so be cautious.  Live for today, but prepare for the future.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Boom]
    #8046861 - 02/20/08 11:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah - a degree in arts or music sounds like fun, but seems pretty worthless. Might as well be a communications major




That is how I feel. I mean, a lot of people with art degrees go on to do the aesthetics of magazine layouts, designing chairs, or deciding what color(s) your plastic cups will be. The everyday art that makes the world go round. I won't be able to have a job like that because I have no degree, but I could care less what color the cup is. "art"

Penn and Teller's series "Bullshit" has an episode on college, it is worth checking out, at least for tittie shots.

Having a degree is like making your "lightning rod that attracts success" a bit bigger; However it doesn't change the variability of the lightning itself: In otherwords success can hit any one, for any reason, under any defintion.

For instance, I'm successful because...

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I have Naughty Nati names!


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8046899 - 02/20/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8046934 - 02/20/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Well if yer into the arts and crafts and music, college really isn't necessary--just because you have a piece of paper that says you can play music, or paint purty colours, doesn't mean it is good. That kind of shit is pretty damn subjective. Tell Stevie Ray Vaughn or Hendrix they should've took lessons? I don't think so.

As for Surgeons, optometrists, science in general college is a neccessity. Unlike art, whether the doctor fucked up or not is pretty obvious. So I'd stick with college when going into professions that deal with other people at a crucial level.

College wasn't for me dude. I'm a starving artist, and happy. All the information I could ever want about my crafts (Art, Music, Humour) is basically free.

So I'd say it depends on a combination on your route to happiness and what you want to become.




so you're saying that you're on the same echelon as jimi hendrix and stevie ray vaughn?

And yes, you may think you are an artist and all it takes in the art world is a good product (which don't get me wrong, in the extreme of cases can be true, but more consistently it's not), but to really do well in the art world/industry, you need to have knowledge of art history, knowledge of how the art industry works, you need some guidance from some professors or other art buffs who have been around the block a time or two and can enlighten you on how the industry works.

you are being naive in your approach to the world. get that degree. i know what i am talking about because i was in the same boat as you. i know i wasn't designed for college either, and i wanted to drop out so many times, but holy crap, i am so happy i stayed in and finished. it felt like such a weight off my shoulders i can't even explain it. tough it out, grind it out, and just hold onto that hope that once you get out you'll be a better person for it, more knowledgeable and a handful of skill sets and connections that you would never have attained had you dropped out.

just my 2 cents.


EDIT: sorry this was meant for the original poster, not you Apoll.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Syle]
    #8046947 - 02/20/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good idea....bad idea?

Bad idea.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: circularvortex]
    #8046950 - 02/20/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Says you.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046954 - 02/20/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You have decades and decades of life to live without college. Why not take advantage of a mere four years right now while you can?

Dropping out seems shortsighted.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: DieCommie]
    #8046960 - 02/20/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

College is hella fun anyways. Why anyone would want to quit this is well beyond me.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: DieCommie]
    #8046966 - 02/20/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I dropped out of college after my first 6 months and thought that was a great plan. :rolleyes: Then years later I was like, FUCK, I'm starving and destitute and working for peanuts at a job with no chance of advancement. So I went back and finished. Now I'm not starving and destitute anymore, have a "real job", but truthfully I hate it. But, when you look at the big picture its not a bad trade off... At least my stomach isn't growling anymore...


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: adrug]
    #8046973 - 02/20/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yea when I get out I hope to start off around 50k a year. Which is not a bad bachelor pay. :shrug:


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046977 - 02/20/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Thoughts?




i mean, to really gauge if it's a good idea or not, post some of your art and material. let us, the populace, decide if your artistic merit can stand water? because it seems that you're basing your whole decision/business plan off of it.

why not just start now? i think the shroomery could be a pretty good judge of quality :wink: let us decide your future :P


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046980 - 02/20/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Tuition will never go down. So dropping out now means that if you ever decide to go back it will cost you even more.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8046991 - 02/20/08 11:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Oh your an art major? I dont see how getting a degree in art will help you. Youll be a starving artist either way.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Syle]
    #8046992 - 02/20/08 11:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Oh no, not at all on the same eschelon as Jimi and Vaughn. Not EVEN close. However they were used as examples of inspiration, as proof you don't HAVE to have college AND can be great.

I said in a previous post, though, a college degree will make it easier for success to find you.

my main point was, unlike Surgery, Art information is FREE. And the hands on practice the comes with art is generally safe; I don't want a self-taught surgeon practicing on me. ALL the shit they teach you in Art College can be gotten for free. It will take possibly the same ammount of work (or even more) to extract and find the information, however you wont be in debt.

I see your point dude, however I can't really say there is a yes or no answer on the subject entirely.

In your world, is this a "Whatever works for you" type thing?

I tell people: I'm Rich,I don't have a lot of money, and I'm happy.

What makes you think I am not an Arteest? I have all the credentials: I like cock, glide around the room trying too hard trying to enrich people's lives, and rubbing horsehair on paper.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8047026 - 02/20/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I had to drop out because i got laid off and my wife was having our 2nd kid. I don't think i have ever felt better about anything before. Let me explain.

I had been thinking for a long time on whether college was worth it or not. I realized i wouldn't make more money, i would just be getting into a more specialized job. My wife went to college for 6 years to get her degree, and i make more money than she does. (well did till i got laid off.)
She didn't even have a better job than me. As far as work went, we were both pretty much happy in the places we were in. She has a job that would never lay her off, so i guess she did have that 1 up on me.
I asked some people where i did work if the went to college or not. I couldn't believe it, but a lot of them did and i was making more money than they were. Plus my job was easier. One of the guys i work with has his doctorate in Psychology. 8 years and alot of money waisted he told me.
I would be happy being a security guard somewhere, or being a manager in a store. Some store managers where i work never went to college and they make 60+ a year. Granted they worked their way up there.
Anyways, I say do what you want. Do what makes you happy. When i quit going, even tho it was not even a option to stay, i felt a great weight lift off my shoulders. Have you ever watched clerks 2? I came to that realization. Some people couldn't be happy doing that, but for me, I'm so much more mellow and happy.
I own my a big house, 2 cars, i have 2 kids and a loving wife. We have 3 pets and pamper them when we can. We might not be rich, but we are happy.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #8047101 - 02/20/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not a good idea.


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Re: Dropping out of College [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #8047161 - 02/20/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

In short.

If you can hack it stay. Personally it was driving me insane and i knew i didn't belong there. I wish i could be a blacksmith like back in mid-evil times. There, thats my true dream lol.


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