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Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World)
    #8046015 - 02/20/08 01:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

<This is an introductory primer to the ancient, refined art of shamanic journey to the Spirit World or World of the Kami>



Note: Kami = Spirit, Non-human personality and intelligence, minded entity of nature.

Gateways between this world and the spirit world can be opened at will by those who know how. This is easier in some places than in others. It is easier at some times then at others. A variety of factors determine one's success at breaking through to magical consciousness, to the perception of Shinto, to the mystical experience of entering into the Kami infused world.

Purification of the body and mouth in clean water is highly recommended before attempting to open a Torii gate. A Torii gate is a physical representation of a gate or door way that serves as the physical symbol or "ground" for the shamanic action that you will under take.

The Torii gate must be fashioned of "natural" materials (stone, wood or plant fiber.)

The Torii gate is ideally erected at a personally chosen spot of great natural beauty and privacy. Spots that are frequently traveled by humans should be avoided. You should choose a wilderness spot that resonates with you and "feels right".

(However, it is also advisable to create a small, private gate and shrine in your own home, in a quiet, sun lit area that you cleanse and fill with healthy green plants.)



You should ritually cleanse this area by gently and unobtrusively tidying it in ways that enhance its aesthetic appeal, without damaging any living thing. You may for example wish to respectfully remove fallen dead branches or rearrange a few stones in a pleasing way .

Next you should sweep the area with a ritual brush made of natural twigs or leaves. The boundary of this impromptu shrine must be demarcated in some way, traditionally through laying down a circle of salt (to ward of malevolent Kami) or by laying down a string of hemp in a circle around the periphery.

You should now have the following scenario: You stand, ritually bathed, inside a ritually cleansed area or natural beauty and privacy, either naked or clothed in simple, loose fitting, natural garments. In the center of this area, or "node" is your Torii gate or portal to the Shinto world, which is not a separate place at all but a pervading, interconnected and overlapping realm of experience and agency.




You should now Clap three times, to attract the attention of the Node's resident Kami and intone a greeting. You may or may not wish to use a high, strained voice when speaking with Kami, or some kind of vibration such as is employed by the Golden Dawn and others.

For example "greetings Kami of this sacred node! I come in Peace! I come in friendship! I wish to be refreshed by the spiritual waters of Shinto, and i come now to commune with you"

Remember, you are not intoning a magic spell, you are engaging in conversation with one or more non human entities.



You may wish to employ meditation or plant based drugs to enter more deeply into the spiritual realities you wish to access. Fasting, drumming, chanting, dancing, singing, and mirror gazing can also assist in contacting and perceiving the Kami.
When a Kami appears to you, always exercise utmost etiquette and respect. As a general rule, you should always bow when greeting or saying farewell to a Kami. You should refer to plant like Kami, as well as Kami representing natural phenomenon like lightning or wind, as grandfather or Grandmother. Mammal like Kami should be referred to as brother or sister, birds as uncle or aunt, lizards and insects as uncle or cousin. If unsure of how to address a Kami, just ask.

Feel free to request a boon or blessing from a Kami who appears to you. Never request the harm of injury of another person. Blessings of love, bountiful crops, health or healing and sexual virility are particularly likely to be addressed.

A different, extremely powerful gateway into the world of Kami is through lucid dreams. First, learn how to become lucid at will, and develop the basic techniques of this incredible discipline.

Now, when you next become lucid, summon a Torii gate into whatever environment you occupy through an effort of will and visualization, or else intend to find one and set off in exploration.

In either case once you have found or summoned a Torii gate in your lucid dream, shout as loud as you are able "I go now to the Land of Kami!" or "I go now to the realm of Shinto!" and pass through the gate.

Now you will appear in a magical, fantastic world populated by spiritual beings of a wide variety of forms and magnitudes with whom you may converse and interact in a wide variety of ways. Much can be learned from these beings, but remember, they should not be thought of as all knowing or benevolent gods! Kami are created beings, like humans, and have a vast array or personalities and powers.



Some are tricksters, and a rare few are malevolent. Basic magical practices and experience in astral projection, meditation and visualization will serve you well in the Shinto realm.

Another way to enter the Shinto realm is through mirrors, either in waking life or in dreams. In waking life you may enter a trance state while gazing at a mirror by candlelight, and thus enter into the Shinto realm by passing through the mirror.

Alternately you may astral project out of your body and float through a mirror in your house to enter the Shinto realm. It helps to focus on or speak aloud this goal as you do so. You may also enter any mirror you find in a dream and use it as a substitute Torii gate.

The most amazing, gorgeous and refreshing location in the Kami realm is the Perfect Forest, a celestial abode of ancient forest and nature gods that is renowned for its healing and regenerating energies. I highly recommend seeking out this realm and in fact i never intentionally go elsewhere.

This region is marked by dense, thick rich green moss and proliferating ferns, cycads and colourful fungal growths. The air is thick with scents of evergreen and pine and fresh clear water abounds below the impenetrable canopy of gigantic, immortal trees.



You will encounter enormous animal and plant like spirits in this realm, but this is a blessed realm and nothing can harm you here.

Once one enters the Kami realm, whether waking or dreaming, one enters a place where the rules of time are different. It is possible to explore this realm for weeks or months within the course of a single night's sleep.

Swords are also important tools of this practice. There are two main uses for the sword in Shinto. The first is the sacred sword which can be used to mark the boundaries of the Node or sacred space, symbolically cutting it away from the profane world. The second is the dream sword which you should learn to summon at will when astral or dreaming. This sword will prove useful in the Kami world, although mostly as a symbol and only very rarely should one attack a being found in this realm.



Before one is able to deeply enter into the actual experience of the Shinto world, and enjoy the magical, psychedelic and mysterious landscapes that it holds, a few preparations may be required.

One, you must develop a nearly impeccable diet. Pollution of many forms is abhorrent to the Shinto spirits. You must eat ONLY wholesome, natural foods and you must abstain absolutely from all red meats. You should drink large amounts of clear, unflourinated water and red or white tea. You should abstain from all coffee, sugar, butter, etc and you should eat only the meat of the fish or wild poultry.

You must wash your body frequently and abstain from all synthetic cosmetics, washing instead with herbal elixirs, preferably tea-tree or hemp oil, or else fragrant florals.

You should usually not enter a Node or Torii gate when plagued by physical infection or injury, nor when troubled by unbalanced thoughts or violent, hateful or fearful emotions.

If you are beset by such things, meditate and heal before attempting to transition to the other world.

A very important practice for developing the ability to travel to the magical world is talking to plants, rocks, water and natural phenomenon on a daily basis. Communicate with natural things around you, speak to them, touch them and hold them, resonate with them. Until you can learn to talk in all seriousness to plants, you will have difficulty making the transition. Don't worry if it is difficult at first, have fun with it and you will progress.


Spend time in nature. The energies of pure air and natural beauty will charge you up like a battery, fill you like a vessel, and empower you to make the transition to the Kami world. The more time you spend alone in nature the more easily you will see the Kami and speak with them.

Play with children and animals. Children are alive with the spark of Shinto, being freshly reborn from the Kami world. Spend time with them, listen to their dreams and "imaginings" and some of there purity of vision will rub off on you.

Animals are Kami themselves, though most westerners are blind to it, so learn to communicate with them on a deeper level, treat them with love and respect and speak to them in your native tongue or if you are able the shamanic or angelic tongue.

As you travel in nature, carry with you strips of course hemp paper. When you come to a place of beauty or a tree, plant or stone of special presence, honour the Kami resident there by tying a strip to a branch or elsewhere. If possible, speak to the Kami and learn its true name, then write that name in ink on the strip of paper, preferably in a personal code.



Honour the Kami in all things and they will show themselves to you more easily. Disrespect the Kami and they will close themselves off from you.

Central to honouring the Kami is honouring all of mother earth and living sustainably and in harmony with men and nature. When your internal vibration is peaceful and harmonious the transition is easy and when one is truly at peace one is half in the Kami world at all times.

Why travel to the Kami world?



This world is rich in magic, beauty and adventure. You can experience things there that defy the imagination, and learn deep personal and metaphysical lessons. I will not say more, as no words can describe the magic of the Shinto realm nor the deep refreshment that can come from communion with the Kami that reside there. I only hope that some of you will let your curiosity and faith carry you to the place where you will behold these truths for yourself

Remember that the formula I have revealed here are only a fraction of the ancient and venerable methods of this shamanic journey, and others may be substituted to suit your needs.

Remember that the experience of Shinto, or the Kami world, is the basis and source of all the worlds primal animistic religions. Each part of the world was born of Shinto and at one time was in communion with the Kami and dealt with nature as integrated parts of a global society of minded spirits.

In order to survive the global transformation we are undergoing, we must reconnect with the historical moral and environmental values of Shinto and the ancient earth centric animist techniques and understandings, but in a newly informed and empowered way.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Taoism is completely compatible and fundamentally akin to Shinto. The study of Taoism and the Tao Teh Ching IS the study of the "way of the Kami" or Shinto. The more you live in accordance with Taoism, the more easily you can enter into the Kami world and the more harmonious will be your experiences there.

Also the Tao Teh Ching contains many encrypted hints on how to transition into the magical world. "by yielding, move..."



Final Notes: A gateway may be fashioned in either the traditional shape (shown in several pictures in this thread) or in the shape of a circle.

Also: I use the word Shinto to refer to the ancient practice of communing with and entering into the parallel spiritual world and encountering the non human intelligences of nature. Other applications of the word Shinto exist and may not be applicable to what I refer to here.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8046025 - 02/20/08 02:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Your definition of "shinto" is the defintion generally used for "shamanic" practice, which is more general. Shinto is a specific cultural tradition/religion. In order to access or percieve Shinto spiritual realms, one would need to be fully immersed in Shinto mythology and symbolism-- a member of the culture or a long-term student/initiate.

Having gotten that out of the way, there's some interesting ritual described in your post.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8046289 - 02/20/08 07:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Reminds me of a shaman i met on a dream forum...... it's reallly interesting shit... im sure you'll love reading it, moonshoe.

He talks about dieting with plants, and tells the lessons he learned from them while lucid dreaming....

Long read.... but a fucking good one.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=29076


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: RedRainDrop]
    #8051460 - 02/21/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for sharing that.This individual is practicing precisely the form of Shamanism that i practice and describe here. I'll post it for others to read.

"Hello,
Currently I am studying a shamanic approach to lucid dreaming in Peru which involves working with a variety of sacred and medicinal plants which are both teachers and guides to the dreamworld.

In the shaman's world, all realities are considered to be dreamed realities. So we have the sleeping dream and the waking dream and we are creating both of them.

The medicinal and sacred plants I am working with are an indigenous science here which have been practiced for over 5,000 years. Plants are the oldest form of life on the planet and they are considered by the shaman to actually be a form of life superior to humanity in the evolutionary scale. Plants have infinite wisdom since they have been on the planet so much longer than humans *and co existing peacefully*.

As a result, many of the plant intelligences are so highly evolved that they are now assisting humans in their evolution. Just as some humans mission in life is to be a teacher, some plants also are "Teacher Plants". All plants have spirits so you could consider them to be spiritual guides. They teach us in the spiritual world, or if you prefer, the dreamworld, and they do this by appearing in your dreams symbolically as characters or energies that your subconscious can understand.

This process can be quite complex. For example, working with the teacher plants here is actually called "dieting with plants" or "La Dieta". All of the plants have specific personalities just like people. They have likes and dislikes and preferences as well for the manner in which they teach. In general, the plants do not like smoking, drinking alcohol, or certain foods such as pork, spices, meat of any kind (with the exception of fish), etc. In other words, when you diet with a plant, you refrain from ingesting all of these foods since the plants do not like the way they effect your energy. Hence, the term dieting with plants.

I just recently did a diet with a plant called Ajo Sacha which was incredible! I dieted with this plant for 7 days. Everyday I would be alone in solitude and the shaman was the only person I would see. Daily, he would bring me a tea made from Ajo Sacha as well as a diet of smoked fish without any spices at all, as well as fruits to eat. After drinking the tea, I would become very sleepy and then drift off into the dreamtime. In the evening, the shaman would bring me another diet of fish, fruits and juices, as well as a very concentrated mixture of Ajo Sacha which I bathed in. The lucid experiences I had in one week were so extensive that I was simply unable to write them all down. Fortunately, I had an MP3 voice recorder so I was able to record all of the experiences in my own voice while lying in bed without forgetting too many of them. Currently, I am reviewing all of my recordings and writing a paper about the experience which I will post just as soon as I have it completed.

This week I am dieting with another teacher plant called chacruna. All of the plants dissolve the borders that seperate the waking dream and the sleeping dream. A good anology for how this works on one's consciousness would be to view the borders between worlds to be an onion. While there is no single plant that peels the entire onion, each plant you work with specifically peels one layer of the onion. So by the end of the dieting process with various teacher plants, all of the illusions seperating waking life and the dreamworld have been completely dissolved."


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8051486 - 02/21/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'...all of the illusions seperating waking life and the dreamworld have been completely dissolved.'

How practical can this be??


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8053335 - 02/21/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds like core shamanism...interesting.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8053548 - 02/21/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Questions:

Can I astrally project while eating peanuts?

Answers:

"How practical can this be??"

The purpose of life is to become disoriented and stumble into bad situations because of excessive imaginary obsessions.

The physical body and mind are actually disallowing us to entering more ethereal realms, we should lose them both and TRANSCEND


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: krin]
    #8053612 - 02/21/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Loud and Clear.:eek:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: krin]
    #8053629 - 02/21/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

easier said than done...


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    #8053635 - 02/21/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hard to keep a job.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8053776 - 02/21/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

beautiful thread moonshoe! :earth:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: krin]
    #8055242 - 02/22/08 05:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Can I astrally project while eating peanuts?




What's the problem with that? What if I don't want to put down my peanuts to go check the oven?


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8055414 - 02/22/08 07:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hello everyone!

Below is my report from my one week diet experience with Ajo Sacha.

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During my one week diet with the teacher plant Ajo Sacha, I had so many lucid dreams that I was astonished. There were by far too many lucid dream experiences to journal on a daily basis, but I did have an MP3 voice recorder which allowed me to record almost every single dream experience upon awakening before the memories would fade. Since I literally had enough lucid dreams to fill a book, I decided to find the major "themes"and "lessons" that Ajo Sacha shared with me during the diet and write about those to give everyone an idea of how the teacher plants actually teach.

Teacher plants are very similar to human teachers in many ways. They all have different personalities, they all have different styles of teaching their students, and they all teach different subjects as well. In order to convey their messages with the greatest clarity, they speak in the universal language of symbolism.

Ajo Sacha is known for having quite a sense of humor. The shamans say that she is the gatekeeper to both the dreamworld and the plant kingdom. Likewise, she is famous for testing one's awareness from time to time to confirm that you have in fact understood her previous lessons before moving on to higher levels of learning.

On the first night of the diet as I was going to sleep I began to see visions of Jessica Simpson in a bikini dancing in front of me. This was so lucid and so vivid that I actually laughed out loud! I woke up and rubbed my eyes because I almost could not believe what was happenning. I went back to bed a few minutes later and Jessica was still dancing in front of me in the same bikini, but this time she moved closer. She was very flirtatious and forward with me suggesting with her words and actions that we get to know each other.

As one of requirements of the diet is to refrain from having sex, I recognized fairly quickly that this really was Ajo Sacha appearing to me symbolically. After several minutes of resisting the temptation, Jessica smiled and acknowledged to me that she was Ajo Sacha. She said, "Now that I have your attention, let's go!"

The next thing I knew the dream changed completely and I was inside a Dunkin Donuts and the waitress asked me what type of donut I wanted. I asked her for a dunkin donut but she replied that they were out of dunkin donuts. I asked for several different types of donuts but they never had any of the ones I wanted. I finally became so irate that I started yelling and screaming! I asked them, "What kind of a dunkin donuts is completely out of donuts?" Then of course I realized the joke as they all began laughing at me. One of the requirements of the diet is not to eat sugar or candy and this too was Ajo Sacha testing my awareness.

The scenery changed again, and this time I was in a bar and the bartender was Gene Simmons from KISS. He did not have his makeup on, but I immediately recognized the symbology of this dream. His character in KISS was "The Demon" and here the demon was right in front of me tempting me with offers of top shelf liquors, the finest wines and cuban cigars. I just laughed at him because I really could not believe all of these dreams were occurring in the same night! As I told him goodbye, he asked me if I was certain that I did not want to join him at an after hours party at the playboy mansion!

I think you can see now why Ajo Sacha is known for her sense of humor.

The temptations ended after the first night, however, Ajo Sacha continued to appear to me as Jessica Simpson and Eva Longoria. In all instances she did this to get my attention. Once I acknowleged her presence and the fact that I knew I was dreaming, she would share another teaching with me.

For example, on the night she appeared to me as Eva Longoria, she was taking a shower in a white room with white candles, white curtains and red roses. As she got out of the shower she asked me to follow her upstairs to her bedroom. The staircase was a beautiful golden spiral staircase. As we reached the top of the staircase the frame of the house disappeared and we were in the clouds flying. As the clouds parted, I could see the heavens and there were white doves flying with us. However, I was unable to fly any higher because I had my laptop computer with me which was weighting me down. Since I use my laptop for work, I would not let go of it even though the doves and Eva (who had now become an angel) were telling me to let the computer go so I could fly higher with them. This dream was one of the most symbolic yet. My laptop computer represents my work which is the main source of stress for me. Not to mention my work on the laptop consumes the majority of my time. My refusal to let go of the laptop was the one thing that currently prevents me from dedicating more time to the dreamworld and shamanic studies.

In the following dream I was in my apartment trying to meditate when I heard noises in the hallway that were so loud that I was unable to concentrate. I went outside to see who was making all of the noise and it was the little kid Damian from all of the Damian Omen horror movies. When he saw me he immediately tried to attack me, but I was so mad at him that I began chasing him down the stairs. This dream was also very symbolic. Damian represented a demon, specifically, my personal demons which prevent me from meditating or doing other things I enjoy. Interestingly, when I confronted him he ran away. For some reason he did not have any of his supernatural powers like in the movies. This theme of confronting demons and illusions was a major teaching from Ajo Sacha that continued in several more dreams.

In my dreams the following night, I was working with an undercover SWAT team and we were chasing the "bad guys" who disappeared into tunnels underground when we showed them our badges. Originally, they appeared to be very dangerous people, in fact, most of the SWAT team was afraid. We all could sense that our captain was nervous and tense so we thought that the bad guys must be really dangerous. Yet when we confronted them with our authority, they ran away without a fight. This dream as well was highly symbolic to me. The things that we fear the most often tend to disappear when we confront them with our personal power.

The following night I had a similar dream of being confronted by very dark energies in an underground warehouse. They were chasing me and trying to shoot me, but slowly I began to awaken and confront them. As I confronted them , they disentegrated like the vampires in the Blade movies. One of the dark energies managed to cut my leg. It was a very deep wound and it was bleeding badly, but I realized that I was dreaming and the leg magically healed like the metal terminator. At this point, I was almost fully lucid and the scenery of the dream changed into a combat video game where I was in control completely. It was a game which I was winning and nothing could really hurt me. Once again, I saw the symbolism being that when we confront our fears they lose their power over us and they go away.

Later, I was on an airplane again with Eva Longoria who was stilled dressed like an angel. She began explaining to me the meaning of the two previous dreams and asked me if I knew what they meant. The song Baby Baby It's A Wild World by Cat Stevens was playing in the background. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that I was dreaming. She told me that we were always dreaming. She went on to explain that our entire lives really were movies which we were writing the script for on a very unconscious level. She told me this was why vampires died like in the Blade movie and why I healed myself like the terminator. It was just more symbology. She even mentioned that both the SWAT dream and the dream in the underground warehouse were symbolic of the darkest parts of our subconscious minds. This dream was the most incredible to date. I knew everything she had told me was true. I also saw the symbology of being in the airplane with her as indicating that the answer to creating our own movies, or our own script is in developing the ability to control our thoughts (as represented by the Air element). Naturally, if we have a pre-determined destination or goal in mind at the beginning of our journey, our chances of success are much greater (as represented by the airplane, which always has a destination planned well in advance).

At this point in the diet process, I was completely amazed at all of the information I had received from Ajo Sacha. However, I still had one unanswered question. I wanted to know how I could support myself if I were to quit my job. I really wanted to stop working and leave all of the stress and anxiety behind to study more with sacred and medicinal plants in the Amazon and elsewhere, but I just could not understand how that would be possible.

That night I had a dream that I was down near the river. On one side of the river I was with all of the people from my waking world. On the other side of the river were all of the energies and intelligences from the dreamworld. There was a bridge connecting the two sides, but I was the only person who could see the bridge. I spent what seemed to be several days in physical time going to the "other side" and bringing back gifts and art to share with people in the waking world. The most amazing part of this dream in hindsight is that not only was it the answer to my one remaining question, but the symbology showed me how I could make a living doing what I loved simply by sharing my experiences with others whether it be in art, writing books, etc. This was also the only dream I can recall that Ajo Sacha did not appear to me in. I recognized the symbology in this as her confirmation that I had the power within myself to manifest this change in my life.

To say the least, it has taken some time to assimilate and integrate all of the teachings that Ajo Sacha shared with me. She is famous among the natives for cleansing and healing. Whether an individual is suffering consciously or unconsciously, and whether it may be on a physical, mental or spiritual level, Ajo Sacha facilitates a process which allows us to overcome whatever may be blocking us from taking the next step on our personal journey of empowerment and evolution.

In my experiences, as reflected in the symbology of my dreams, she helped me to understand the importance of withstanding the tempations of the physical world, as well as confronting my own personal demons which in reality have proved to be illusions, and she helped me to see clearly how I could manifest the changes in my life that I was seeking.

Most importantly, she helped to realize that we are always dreaming and the only limits to what we can do in our dreams are illusions within our own minds.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8055446 - 02/22/08 08:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hello everyone!

Since coming back from Peru I have had many opportunities to work with plant teachers here in Mexico. Sometime in March I plan to go to Oaxaca, MX to work with mushrooms and salvia. The mushrooms called derrumbes start to show up in March sometime so I have been doing alot of writing while waiting for this time to come.

I finally have finished the chacruna report of my last diet in Peru which is posted below.

Cheers!
Juan

On November 30th, 2006 I began a one week diet with chacruna. I was in the same location
where I had done my diet with Ajo Sacha just a few weeks earlier in Iquitos, Peru.

Chacruna is believed by many shamans to bestow many spiritual blessings upon those dieting with her. Without question, she gives one the gift of vision in the astral and spiritual realms which are realized on the physical plane as clarity, discernment and protection.

Once again, I was drinking a tea made from the chacruna plant on a daily basis, and I was bathing in a very concentrated mixture of chacruna every morning and every evening. This time, I was eating much less food. Daily, the shaman would bring me only fruits and water and he warned me that this experience would be far more intense. On the 1st, 3rd and 5th evenings of the diet, I was also drinking the sacred medicine ayahuasca.

Around 7pm the shaman came to my room to begin the ayahuasca ceremony. He asked me if I could see the symbolism of beginning my diet on Halloween or "Dia de los muertos" as it is called in Peru. Intuitively, I felt this was a very good omen indeed which signified another level of removing our masks, dying to the ego and being reborn. The shaman agreed.

As we began the ceremony, I got up to light a candle and I almost stepped on a centipede! Fortunately, I was still wearing my shoes, so I stomped him. The shaman laughed at me because he could see I really did not like the centipedes. This was the second one I had killed in my room in the last week and they really gave me the creeps. I could not get the vision out of my mind of finding one in my bed, which made me more uncomfortable as time passed.

"No te preocupes, Juan. Estas protegido!" (Do not worry, You are protected) said the shaman.

During the ayahuasca ceremony, I had many beautiful visions of my own death. There was a peace and serenity in these visions because I had the full realization that I had found my true purpose in life. At the end, I was met with a sense of completion and accomplishment as well as a knowing that my life had benefitted humanity through the work I had done with sacred plants. I also realized
that life was but one phase in the soul's evolution. Rather than fearing the end, I found an eagerness to embrace a new beginning.

The following morning I began drinking the chacruna tea and within an hour I had fallen into a deep sleep.

Several hours later I woke up with a very clear recollection of my dream experiences which were a recurring theme in the chacruna diet.

I was in the basement of a mansion where a film crew was working. There was alot of construction going on as well.

As several people came up to me and asked about the details of individual scenes that were to be filmed, I began to realize that we
were all making a movie and I was the director.

I decided to go check out the first floor of the mansion and it looked like a gangsta rap star's house from an episode of MTV Cribs. The floors were all white marble and all of the walls were glass with 360 degree views of the caribbean ocean where it was located.

After checking out the first floor, I decided to see what the master bedroom looked like so I went up to the second floor. I took a nap in the master bedroom and when I woke up I had a level of lucidity that more closely resembled waking life than a dream.

I had all of my physical senses such as touch, smell, taste etc. In fact, as time went by, this was much more like an out of body experience. When I walked I could feel and hear my feet touching the floor and I was totally cognizant of my actions. There was no dreamy aspect to it.

As I came down the stairs from the master bedroom to the first floor I saw the boxer Lennox Lewis and ESPN Fitness Deva Kianna Tom talking to each other. They were both very upset with me and insisting that this was their shoot and they were tired of waiting to film their scenes. Kianna even told me that the crew actually hated me even though they pretended to like me. Lennox then threatened me and told me to
"Go back to sleep....or I will put you back to sleep" as he taunted me with his fists in my face.

Upon awakening, I immediately understood much of the symbology from the dream. The three stories of the house represented the three states of consciousness. The basement was the subconscious where all of our realities are constructed. The second floor represented conscious awareness or the physical realm. Both Lennox Lewis and Kianna were representative of the male and female aspects of the ego trying to convince me
that they were the director and that their version of reality was the correct one.

The concept that our lives were really movies that we are both creating and directing on a very unconscious level was one that chacruna shared with me frequently throughout the diet.

Now I could clearly see why the shaman said this diet would be more intense. The "dream" I had just experienced seemed to be a parallel universe or an alternate reality which was just as real, if not more so than normal waking physical reality. I had only been awake for about a half hour recording the details of my first dream when I became so sleepy that I fell back into a deep sleep.

In the following dream, I was at my Grandmother's house in The United States. My Grandfather was in a wheelchair and he radiated an incredible energy of pure love to me. My Mother came into the room and told me we would be leaving to go to the airport in a few hours. She asked me if
my bags were packed and if I was ready to go.

As I went to the guest bedroom in my Grandmother's house to get my bags, I began to look out the window. I could see that virtually nothing had changed in over 30 years since the last time I had been there. Slowly, I began to realize I was dreaming. But once again, this was much more than a lucid dream. I was in some kind of an out of body state or a parallel reality. I had all of my senses just as I did in the waking world and all of the characteristics of this state were closer to the waking world than they were to the dreamworld.

As I went back into the living room to see my Mother and my Grandfather, I began to question the reality more and more. I asked myself where my Grandmother was. I could not find my Grandmother and then I realized that my Grandfather was not my real Grandfather. I mentioned these things to my Mother and I told her this must be a dream because all of these things were not right and I could not even remember leaving Peru. I assured her that I must be dreaming.

We continued to talk more about the nature of reality and my Mother questioned my ability to distinguish the difference between dreams and reality. She mentioned to me that reality was wherever my undivided attention was and she challenged me to wake up. "Regardless of how many times you wake up,
you are still dreaming...", she said. She suggested that our entire lives were illusions created out of both imagination and memory and she again challenged me to wake up.

This reality was so real that I could not wake up. I tried every method I could think of to wake up, but I could not. My Mother argued that surely if this was a dream that I should be able to wake up. She explained that whether it was a dream or reality, or an astral projection or an out of body state, that these were all states of consciousness created with my own thoughts and desires. She told me that regardless of the dream, the inability to wake up is a sure sign that one is unwilling to accept full responsibility for the realities they had created.

At this point, I realized that my Mother was really the spirit of Chacruna appearing to me. I knew then, that obviously I was dreaming and I started running down a grassy knoll and I tried to fly. As I began to fly, I assured myself that I was dreaming, yet I was now perplexed with even deeper
mysteries. It is true, I reasoned, that if I wake up, I will still be dreaming. And even if I were to one day wake up completely from my waking dream, just who would I be? And where would I be? I began to see the logic in Chacrunas wisdom. I was choosing to remain asleep due to a lack of responsibility
as well as a fear of awakening to the unknown.

When I awoke from this dream, I had fruit for dinner and I bathed in the Chacruna mixture. As I was recording my dream experiences, Chacruna spoke to me telepathically instructing me to relax and to get some rest. She explained that since I would be drinking ayahuasca the following evening and since I had already had two very intense teachings from her, she could sense I needed a little time to process all of the information.

I certainly did not disagree with her. As I had already slept 15 of the last 24 hours, I had no trouble staying awake. I read and meditated and listened to music. I even watched a few DVD's on my laptop. Periodically, I would receive messages from Chacruna which I would record.

The following evening the shaman came to begin the ayahuasca ceremony. We spent some time talking and as I got up from bed to drink some more tea, the shaman stopped me from putting the cup to my mouth. I looked inside the cup and there was a dead centipede in it! Once again the shaman just laughed,
but it really gave me the creeps!

After the ayahuasca ceremony that evening, I was laying in bed meditating and I was just about ready to go to sleep. When I reached up to turn off the light I saw there was a huge centipede on my pillow, right next to my head! I jumped up out of bed and I could not find any bug spray or anything to catch the centipede with. Finally, I found a can of aerosol hair spray under the sink which I lit with my lighter to torch the centipede.

During the whole process I could hear the voice of Chacruna laughing at me. I remembered hearing that at times the plants can have a very twisted sense of humor and now I had a good firsthand knowledge of exactly what that meant.

In the morning when the shaman came with my breakfast, I told him what had happenned. Again he just smiled and said, "Estas protegido!" (You are protected)

Something told me that I should accept the teaching that the spirit of Chacruna was protecting me and I would not see any more centipedes.

I said, "OK, Gracias!!" to both the shaman and the spirit of Chacruna for this protection.

Interestingly, I did not see another centipede for the remainder of my time in Peru.

That evening when I went to sleep Chacruna appeared to me as a female attorney. In all of the various scenes in my dream she would always be by my side as I was being tempted by outside forces which were attempting to lead me astray.

The outside forces would always manifest in different forms and provide very convincing arguments as to why they had power over me, yet Chacruna always provided the logic that allowed me to see through the illusions. In all of my confrontations with opposing forces, I would overcome them by knowing the laws which Chacruna had taught me. By being in harmony with the laws, nothing could harm me.

In another dream the same evening, I was at a 5 star restaurant with some of the most powerful and affluent individuals in the world. I was sitting at the bar watching all of the people who could have practically anything they wanted. They would order the most expensive wines and foods and be waited upon by servants, yet they were never able to satisfy their appetites or appreciate the things they were receiving. The more they ate, the emptier and more miserable they became. When I was given a menu and asked what I would like to order, I could see that all of the items which the elite considered to be of value were actually deadly poisons to the human soul. As I left the restaurant I was met by a priest who was praising me for my strength and courage to resist temptation. He began to adorn me with a golden necklace
and appoint me as a holy man. The necklace was solid gold and as he put it around my neck, he mentioned that it was only halfway complete because it costed one million dollars. He explained that as soon as more offerings were received that he would complete the necklace for me. I declined to receive the necklace or the appointment as a holy man from the priest. I asked him if he knew how many people we could help
with one million dollars and I told him that buying gold necklaces was far from being holy or spiritual in my opinion.

Later, we sold the necklace for cash and then we threw a rave party on the beach and gave away all kinds of free psychedelics, sacred plants and lucid dreaming devices to the public to help them wake up.

In the following dream, I was in the jungle and I was in a very meditative state walking alone and talking to the plants and animals. The shaman was there and he was talking to me and showing me which plants were best to diet with.

When I woke up, the shaman was knocking on my door. He had brought my breakfast to me and he also began to explain that he had a group of two other woman who wanted to do the diet in the jungle. Since he planned to stay in the jungle with the woman to do the diet, he asked if I would be interested in coming to the jungle with them so that he did not have to travel back and forth everyday between the
jungle and town. He also explained to me that he thought being in the jungle obviously would be a good idea as it would facilitate both the learning and the intensity of the experience for me. I agreed to go to the jungle with him to complete the remainder of my diet. We travelled about 45 minutes up the river from Iquitos to a private lodge and had an ayahuasca ceremony. This ceremony was technically
my 3rd and final ceremony for my one week diet, although it was the 1st ceremony for the two ladies beginning their one week diet.

During the last week my body had become very weak. On most days I was eating only one or two pieces of fruit and drinking the chacruna tea. Although I was excited to go to the jungle and finish my diet, the process of moving from town and riding up the river during the hottest part of the day left me physically exhausted. When we got to the lodge, I sat down on a mattress in the ceremony house and fell asleep.

In my dream I was outside at the lodge and I was meditating and eating an apple. I was thinking to myself that even this physical life is a dream and someday I am sure I will wake up completely in this dream too. I asked myself if I was dreaming and I told myself that I was positive this was real life because I was at the lodge. When I woke up I was shocked to realize that I really had been dreaming and it was so life like that I could not distinguish the dream from reality as Chacruna had suggested to me earlier in the week. At first I felt a little discouraged, but I heard Chacruna remind me of the Hermetic axiom, "As above, so below". She assured me that in reality this was a very good sign. I was getting into the consistent
habit of questioning all realities and this was a step in the process of awakening.

Another thing that stuck with me from this dream (which became more and more common at the lodge) was the loss of time. The dream seemed to have lasted only a few minutes, yet when I woke up it was almost 8 hours later and the ceremony was beginning. At other periods, I would have dreams that seemed to have
lasted for days or even lifetimes and upon awakening I would discover that only several minutes had passed in physical time.

Prior to the ceremony I began to talk with the two other ladies at the lodge. One was from Canada and her name was Eryca. The other lady was named Tabitha and she was from London. While we were waiting for the shaman to come and start the ceremony, we began talking about our experiences with Ayahuasca.

Eryca mentioned that she had read that the first scientists to study the effects of Ayahuasca called it Telepathine due to it's proven ability to heighten mental powers such as clairvoyance, precognition and telepathy. She was greatly interested in seeing if Ayahuasca could assist her in developing her mental and spiritual faculties and she mentioned she had friends who worked as professional psychics who would find it interesting also. I told her had also read about this and in the amazon
it was very common for the shamans to have shared visions.

The following morning, Eryca mentioned to me that she had a vision about me during the ceremony which was symbolized by the tarot card The Five Of Wands. She said that this particular card signified division and failure in partnerships and she asked me if I happenned to be involved in any potential business
deals. She told me that the energy of this card was to be very careful of whom I was dealing with. She offered to do a Tarot reading for me to see if we could get any further information regarding this. The reading was very insightful and the most convincing aspect of the reading was that in the position
which dealt with business I drew The Five Of Wands!

Due to the accuracy of Eryca's visions, I recalled a vision that I had which I originally gave very little thought to. I saw a friend of mine in Iquitos who was walking out of the front door of his house on crutches and his right leg was bandaged heavily. As my friend had recently left Iquitos to have emergency surgery on his leg in Lima, Peru, this vision did not surprise me. However, seeing him at his house in Iquitos was odd because everyone knew he had been in the hospital for over a month. Upon returning to Iquitos at the end of the diet, I learned the night I had the vision of him at his house was the very night he returned to his home in Iquitos to be with his family.

The following day Eryca, Tabitha and myself decided to eat several San Pedro cactus. In Peru, many shamans mix San Pedro with Chacruna. The San Pedro is known as a very strong and masculine spirit which is a true guide and guardian. The experience lasts for 15 hours or longer and is a profound journey in connecting with nature. The Chacruna mixed with San Pedro is known to give incredible visions during the night hours. We all laughed and figured since we already were dieting with Chacruna which went so well with San Pedro that we should give it a try. Since we were only eating an apple a day and the Chacruna tea on our diet we joked that a few San Pedro cactus should give us a little extra energy if nothing else.


The spirit of San Pedro communicated to me through the experiences of the day which confirmed what the shaman had been telling me all along.

"You are protected".

Just after ingesting the cactus, I went to meet the boat at the dock of the lodge which had delivered some food and water to us. Walking back up the stairs to the retreat, I had both of my hands full and I slipped on the muddy steps, catching myself on the tiptoes of my wet Reebocks. As I looked down, I saw several rusted nails sticking out of the stair I was balanced on. I realized that falling could have resulted in a very serious injury such as a puncture wound from the nails, getting a concussion by slipping and hitting my head, knocking my teeth out by falling face first onto the stairs, or even breaking my leg or my knee from the fall. As I was balanced on the steps, time seemed to stop and I looked to my left to see the shaman who was now just smiling at me. He said nothing, although I could clearly hear him telling me I was
protected.

San Pedro is a very outgoing and active spirit to work with. Whereas the ayahuasca medicine is all about journeys to infinite spiritual dimensions, San Pedro is all about merging and connecting with nature and the physical dimension. As the hours passed and we began to feel the effects of the San Pedro cactus more and more, we became more and more active and we went swimming in the amazon which helped me to overcome my fear of being eaten alive by an anaconda or a crocodile.

Later in the evening, at the peak of the San Pedro journey, one of my friends called me outside to look at the stars. After a period of gazing at the stars, we realized that we both had on only our pants without our shirts and no shoes. We did not have a flashlight and we had wandered far from our maloka hut and we were in the middle of nowhere in the jungle.

The intial reaction for most people in this situation would most likely be to panic. However, there was an understanding between us that was clearly being received from the spirit of San Pedro. We both knew that at any time we could have stepped on snakes, scorpions, rocks etc. and received life threatening injuries. Yet, through this entire experience we could sense a guide that not only protected us, but one that
also led us back to our maloka in total darkness. Overall the experience with San Pedro had left me with a knowing that I was one with nature and not seperate from it. The greatest teaching that had been imparted to us all was that when one is in harmony with nature, all things are
truly possible and that no serious harm or injury would happen to you.

The next evening we had another ayahuasca ceremony and the shaman was singing the same icaro over and over and over again. An icaro is a song that functions much like an interdimensional telephone number. Willing spirits give the shaman the correct icaro to contact them and when the shaman hums the tune of the specific icaro, the spirit associated with that icaro appears and performs healings. Normally, a shaman will sing many different icaros over a period of several hours, however, during this ceremony, the shaman sang the same icaro all night.

Icaros are most often simply tones or frequencies that are not in any specific language, as was the case during this ceremony. But after several hours of hearing the icaro, I began to clearly hear a voice in English. As the shaman did not speak a word of English, I knew the voice I was hearing was that of the spirit making contact with me and speaking in a voice it knew I would understand clearly.

The rhythym of the original icaro sounded like "YA-YA - da-da-da-dee-dee - dee-dee-da-da".When I heard the voice in English it said in a very audible voice, "Juan, Juan, This is my jingle. Let's intermingle".

In all of my previous ayahuasca ceremonies I had seen many incredible visions, but I had never made actual contact with a spirit or interdimensional being which is a very common occurence for the shamans. intuitively, I felt that hearing the icaro in English as an invitation to "intermingle" was one step
closer to actually making such a connection.

As the effects of the ayahuasca became stronger and stronger, I found myself in a deeply visual trance like state where I was flying through the clouds. There was a peace and serenity in this state that I cannot describe with words, but I saw unicorns, angels, rainbows and lightworkers welcoming me to their paradise. They shared a very beautiful truth with me that all things are possible to those who assist in the creation of the cosmic plan of evolution. Taking an active role in the conscious co-creation of the cosmos is synonymous with being in harmony with both the laws of nature and the divine plan.

The following day I continued drinking chacruna tea. As I drifted off to sleep I had a dream which seemed very symbolic to me in light of my recent ayahuasca visions the night before.

Once again I was flying through the clouds and in the next instant, I was in a meeting with Stephen Spielberg and a board of studio executives who asked me what the script was about for my upcoming film project. We discussed in detail the possibility of an apocalyptic tale of the impending doom of
civilization due to wars and global catastrophes. The executives were all in agreement that death and destruction would be a sure hit at the box office although they wanted to know if I had made a definite decision as to how the movie would end. Everyone loved the concept, yet they were all leary about
financing a project with such as dark ending due to the fact that it was not a good vehicle for a sequel were the film to be a success. I mentioned that the vision I had for the ending was one in which humanity wakes up and realizes that their true place in the cosmic plan is to assist in the peaceful evolution of all forms of life by living in harmony with nature and the cosmos. I reasoned that this ending would be wide open for many great sequels in the years to come as there would always be new planets, dimensions and worlds for the enlightened humans to travel to and save from extinction. As I finished my pitch, I could see Speilberg smiling and nodding his head in agreement. The executives congratulated me and told me that they would back me and give me whatever resources I needed to film such a beautiful script.

During the last ayahuasca ceremony of the Chacruna diet on the following day, I made contact with one of the spirit doctors for the first time. Normally, after about 45 minutes of drinking ayahuasca, you will begin to see visions, but in this particular ceremony, the visions began within twenty minutes and they were so intense it was more like smoking 5-MEO-DMT than it was to any ayahuasca experience I had ever had previously. It was so overwhelming that I knew I was leaving my physical body, in fact, I could not even feel my body any longer. The visions I had initially closely resembled the aboriginal art that is painted on digeridoos. I could hear all kinds of buzzing and humming and everything was vibrating and pulsating.
The best way I can think of to explain this is that normally in an ayahuasca ceremony one may have visions, but this was so powerful that I was the vision. There was a complete dissolution of the physical body and ego and a morphing or merging with another state of being.

My next point of focus was the face of what the shamans of Peru call a “morena” which is not a black or dark energy, but rather a deep brown colored benevolent spirit. I recall sensing a love, warmth and compassion that was beyond the physical plane as I looked into her eyes. I did not need to say
a word, because this vibration was so completely harmonious and beautiful that it dissolved any fears or doubts I could have had. I do not know where I was, but I was not in the ceremony house laying on my mattress as I had been just a few moments before. What seemed to be a few minutes later, I awoke as if
from a deep sleep on my mattress in the ceremony house. For the next several hours, I lay awake contemplating what had just happened.

Technically the Chacruna diet was over, yet the most powerful experience was still to come. It was the morning of the 7th day when I woke up and we were planning to take the boat back into Iquitos after breakfast. The shaman came in and sat down next to me and begin talking to the group. Since I was the
only one in the group who could speak Spanish, I was translating everything he said to the group. He began to explain that the icaros he sang during the ceremony actually called specific spirit doctors to the ceremony to conduct healing rituals. He told us that there was a hierarchy of healing spirits that helped humans to purify themselves and raise their vibratory rate to be able to access more interior spiritual realms. The group of spirits closest to the vibration of humans are called “morenas”. Morenas are always present to assist the humans in their evolution. When the intention on the part of the human is clear and their vibratory rate has been raised through the purification of the diet process, contact with the morenas is normally made.

I had not said a word to the shaman about what happened the night before, so this was really blowing my mind!

As the shaman continued talking, he began to tell the story of how his grandfather had been a curandero and he began studying with him when he was only 4 years old. For a period of 10 years, he watched his grandfather prepare all of the various teas and baths for the diet process. When he was 14 years old he had been dieting and studying for 10 years and he was allowed to drink ayahuasca for the first time. He went on to explain how this was his shamanic initiation and since he had already been in a process of preparation and purification for 10 years, many spirits appeared to him in the ceremony.

At this point, I had been translating for about 30 minutes and I began to have trouble maintaining my focus and understanding what the shaman was saying. I thought I was just tired from the night before, which is common the day following a ceremony. I excused myself and let the group know that I just had to
lay down for a few moments. I was already laying in a hammock in the ceremony house so I just snuggled under the blanket and closed my eyes. What I saw looked like something from an Alex Grey vision. I was viewing a world of pure vibration and energy. Everything was pulsating, breathing and alive.
Everything had eyes, a spirit and consciousness. It was infinite, yet at the same time it was all one thing. Once again, there was a complete dissolution of the physical body and the ego. This was not a vision. I had merged completely with this presence in another world or dimension where both space and
time did not exist as they do in the physical realm. There was an immediate deep conviction that this was a connection with plant sentience instead of contact with a spirit being from the night before. There were voices I could hear that sounded like munchkins from The Wizard of Oz movie that were
greeting me. Two voices I can recall specifically, said, “Hey Juan! What took you so long?” and “Get in here! We have been waiting for you!”

It seemed like an infinity had passed where I had seen a vision so complete that there was no doubt left as to how my path would progress. I had received a complete transference of consciousness that answered any questions or concerns I could have had. This was a major source of healing that I had been
seeking my whole life. I had found a surety and a knowing that resolved the doubt and confusion that had prevented me from taking action in the past. As I was acknowledging all of this information, my senses slowly began to come back. It seemed like the time I had been gone was an entire lifetime if
not longer.

The shaman was asking me if I could help him continue translating. I asked how long had I been sleeping and they all looked at me with puzzled looks on their faces. Apparently what I experienced as a lifetime in this visionary state occurred in roughly 20 seconds.

As I awoke and we finished talking, I left the ceremony house to go back to my private maloka and pack my bags as we were all planning to take the next boat back into Iquitos. I was walking along the wooden walkway which was about 2 feet off the ground that connected all of the malokas of the retreat together.
One of the boards was dry rotted so bad that it completely disentigrated under my right foot and my foot went through the walkway and landed on the ground beneath.

Once more, I could not help but realize the symbolism of this event. I was walking barefoot along the walkways and any number of things could have happenned to me which would have resulted in serious injury, such as cutting my foot on a nail, skinning my shin severely on the next board in the walkway, or
even stepping on centipedes or snakes or breaking my ankle on the ground below when my foot touched down.

As I left the lodge, I felt I had fully received and accepted chacruna´s blessing of protection. Likewise, in all of the symbolism of the never ending dream and writing one´s own script in life, I felt challenged to bring as much consciousness as possible to whatever reality I was co-creating. The interconnectedness I had found with all of nature and the rest of humanity as a result of experiencing these transpersonal states of awareness was truly best explained by the words of the shaman which I would remember everytime I would try to find a way to explain it all.

¨No hay palabras explicarlo, pero sigues tomando su medicina!¨ which means ¨There are no words to explain it, but keep drinking your medicine!"


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: RedRainDrop]
    #8055478 - 02/22/08 08:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey thanks for posting.
You refreshed my "astral sense"

The only problem there ever was is that you are consciously tethered to a body and believe that there is a problem.

I feel that I had already learned the lessons of avoiding pettiness of material possessions and slavery to carnal pleasures, and the knowledge that all states of mind are comparable to dreams, they are all part of a sacred indescribable unknown beauty in transformation.

If I began dieting with these plants, what sort of effects might I expect, or are you unable to answer that for someone else


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8057480 - 02/22/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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A gateway may be fashioned in either the traditional shape (shown in several pictures in this thread) or in the shape of a circle.





Or in the form of a triangle or an octagon or whatever shape pleases you as it is all imaginary.

Nice cut & paste, BTW.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8057511 - 02/22/08 05:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
it is all imaginary.




even your dreams at night? are they just imaginary?


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8059214 - 02/23/08 03:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Not to be a stickler, but the triangle and Octagon are actually more appropriate to Goetic Magic.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8059964 - 02/23/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Moonshoe, thanks for posting this, I'm going to take time to read through it more comprehensively later, let me give you a rating! :thumbup:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8059997 - 02/23/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, it is a real gift from someone who never went through the gate, but copied some stuff without giving credit. :rolleyes:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060016 - 02/23/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Message > Messenger IMO

Why care about where the idea came from? The information is free.

I do the same thing from time to time. :shrug:

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060025 - 02/23/08 11:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:emocry:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8060033 - 02/23/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I fail to understand why someone would endorse a how to guide who has not followed the guide.

Does that make sense to you?


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060045 - 02/23/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I fail to understand why someone would endorse a how to guide who has not followed the guide.

Does that make sense to you?




Why don't you ask Moonshoe the question yourself rather than gossiping and making unsubstantiated assumptions? :shake:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060071 - 02/23/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, it makes sense. Why not?


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8060073 - 02/23/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

He has clearly demonstrated his lack of credibility as per yesterday's exchange. (See: 'The hallmarks of worthless writing' thread.) Does one ask a self-admitted liar if he is lying and expect an honest answer?

If one must be pure of spirit to pass through the gate and one is mired in gossip and lies (impure of spirit), then the two are mutually exclusive and one cannot pass.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060099 - 02/23/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I made a post (the hallmarks of worthless writing). You asked questions. I answered your questions. You threw a tantrum.

You continue to throw a tantrum.

Your behavior further confirms my belief that you are NOT in fact the individual i was thinking of when i wrote that post, although you initially reminded me of him. Less and less.

Furthermore I did not lie, much less admit to lieing. This is merely another of your countless misunderstandings/misrepresentations.
(i believe my exact words were: "I was truthful in all instances but one". You believe you understood that, but you did not)


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060106 - 02/23/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think he demonstrated his quality of being human. We're all on the path of self-discovery and learning what to make of our experiences here on :earth:

You did not identify yourself with what he wrote did you now? :shocked: Let it go.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060110 - 02/23/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, you certainly are butt-hurt. Maybe you shouldn't invest so much emotionalism into your posting experience. You should hook up with Jiggy or something. :lol:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8060181 - 02/23/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Talking about butts... I have some unfinished business with yours. :smirk:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8060206 - 02/23/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I know, and you better get used to it. :naughty:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8060216 - 02/23/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Used to it? :what:
Never getting enough of it seems to be much more appropriate. :shrug:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8060231 - 02/23/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, but... you know, you sound like you are all bunny words.

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8060240 - 02/23/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I speak the truth, so beware


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8060255 - 02/23/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So an entire thread dedicated to slandering another member was a gesture worthy of a person who claims to be dedicated to the spiritual path? :rolleyes:

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Furthermore I did not lie. "I was truthful in all instances but one".



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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060273 - 02/23/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:emocry:

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8060295 - 02/23/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

God forbid we discuss personal integrity instead of butt sex on a philosophy forum.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060300 - 02/23/08 12:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8060309 - 02/23/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Wow, you certainly are butt-hurt. Maybe you shouldn't invest so much emotionalism into your posting experience. You should hook up with Jiggy or something. :lol:




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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060314 - 02/23/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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So an entire thread dedicated to slandering another member was a gesture worthy of a person who claims to be dedicated to the spiritual path? :rolleyes:

Quote:

Furthermore I did not lie. "I was truthful in all instances but one".



:rofl2: :rofl2:




Come on dude. Did he say your name? If not then you cannot know it was you. And I'm wondering why you care so much. Why don't you take this into PM.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Icelander]
    #8060339 - 02/23/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Wow, you certainly are butt-hurt. Maybe you shouldn't invest so much emotionalism into your posting experience. You should hook up with Jiggy or something. :lol:







I miss Jiggy in Philosophy. :heart: I always see her in Politics now playing in the mud.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Icelander]
    #8060357 - 02/23/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The last time a 'spiritual type' spread lies, I got banned for a long, long time.

Yes, who gives a fuck about slander, falsehoods and integrity? There are more 'fun' things to discuss that have little bearing on real life like setting paper on fire with chi.

Why not take it to PM? It was started publicly and then lied about publicly. What good does a PM do?

Here is an issue with real meat, but let's not deal with it. OK, back to flirting. We call all take something deep from that.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060396 - 02/23/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:cryariver:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060439 - 02/23/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The last time a 'spiritual type' spread lies, I got banned for a long, long time.

Yes, who gives a fuck about slander, falsehoods and integrity? There are more 'fun' things to discuss that have little bearing on real life like setting paper on fire with chi.

Why not take it to PM? It was started publicly and then lied about publicly. What good does a PM do?

Here is an issue with real meat, but let's not deal with it. OK, back to flirting. We call all take something deep from that.




You got banned because you want to continue to perpetuate personalisms in a forum that is not intended for personalims, and then you started a crusade over it. Its pretty damn cut and dry - don't continue out personalisms in a forum that is not intended to be used in such a manner.

There's no sense :emocry: about it like this, like Icelander so ably put it, take it to pm's. :hehehe:

Now, let's get back to spirituality by talking about butt sex. :naughty:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8060485 - 02/23/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Middleman: I'm going to ban the next person to misuse the word 'personalism'.

FWG: You got banned because you want to continue to perpetuate personalisms...

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8060524 - 02/23/08 01:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8062125 - 02/23/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I find it curious that you still seem to hold this inane belief that the practice of shamanism (Traveling to non ordinary conciousness) will result in meek or timid writing or behavior.

Why do you seem surprised that I call crap the way I see it?

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8062139 - 02/23/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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You got banned because you want to continue to perpetuate personalisms in a forum that is not intended for personalims, and then you started a crusade over it. Its pretty damn cut and dry - don't continue out personalisms in a forum that is not intended to be used in such a manner.




I think it's you that started the misuse of that word. :crankey:

Personalism is a school of philosophical thought.

Personal criticisms is the term you're looking for.

I'm not usually a grammar Nazi, but all the PMs I get about 'personalisms' are starting to annoy me.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Middleman]
    #8062262 - 02/23/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, words have more than one meaning, and around here, that's simply what the word means. I'm not the one who started using it in such a manner, but I've certainly carried with it. Veritas has used it more than me anyways. :tongue:


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    #8062276 - 02/23/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'Personalism' only has one meaning: A school of philosophical thought.

Please use the terms personal criticism, slander, or disparagement in the future.


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    #8062419 - 02/23/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Orgone has a function here, let us not disrupt an equilibrium blindly.
we should be brainstorming ways to reprogram his mind so that he posts and think responds in desired ways, by the general public.
Thats the happy path.

Maybe personal criticism is healthy at times, it may not even apply to the individual being criticized, its actually a natural metamorphical psychic phenomena that is REQUIRED from Orgone's mind, either by universal forces of energy in transformation or a "spirit willed" manifestation "he" or "it" channels to survive, or his carnal mind is fed and sustained by an ancient beast(s).
And Thusly, all of you may be these psychotic crystallizations moving through membranes of existence, but only conscious enough to trade barbaric clashes involving symbolic definition.

Rhetoric! Norfleshh!

Come children of the mislead seed, spin faster this great wheel of combat!
Wrestle that definition down!
Pin the guilty and shivered babe in the corner, drown him in our mercy!

(Gnawing flesh passes through our mindscope now, gelatin screens and broad flashing beams of sinusodial pyramidal atmosphereic readjusters which meld the confines of our sinister world with an explosion of infinite forms, gasp!)

Any violators of the forum code should be solidified in our history and life, his name should be encased in every signature, a link to his threads, with the header description as "They who do not search thier souls, are supplemented with this terrible social affliction! Be wary travellers of the worlds"

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Middleman]
    #8062431 - 02/23/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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'Personalism' only has one meaning: A school of philosophical thought.

Please use the terms personal criticism, slander, or disparagement in the future.




I'll use whatever terminology I wish, thank you very much. You aren't the meaning police.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8062629 - 02/23/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am.
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    #8062734 - 02/23/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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krin said:
Orgone has a function here, let us not disrupt an equilibrium blindly.
we should be brainstorming ways to reprogram his mind so that he posts and think responds in desired ways, by the general public.
Thats the happy path.

Maybe personal criticism is healthy at times, it may not even apply to the individual being criticized, its actually a natural metamorphical psychic phenomena that is REQUIRED from Orgone's mind, either by universal forces of energy in transformation or a "spirit willed" manifestation "he" or "it" channels to survive, or his carnal mind is fed and sustained by an ancient beast(s).
And Thusly, all of you may be these psychotic crystallizations moving through membranes of existence, but only conscious enough to trade barbaric clashes involving symbolic definition.

Rhetoric! Norfleshh!

Come children of the mislead seed, spin faster this great wheel of combat!
Wrestle that definition down!
Pin the guilty and shivered babe in the corner, drown him in our mercy!

(Gnawing flesh passes through our mindscope now, gelatin screens and broad flashing beams of sinusodial pyramidal atmosphereic readjusters which meld the confines of our sinister world with an explosion of infinite forms, gasp!)

Any violators of the forum code should be solidified in our history and life, his name should be encased in every signature, a link to his threads, with the header description as "They who do not search thier souls, are supplemented with this terrible social affliction! Be wary travellers of the worlds"

Now let us all toss words at each other in some twisted exercise of our self-reorganization routines!
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Take flight young Persephone!




Well I'm glad to see someone's paying attention. :lol:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8062741 - 02/23/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Also, apparently Pope Benedict is a noted dude into personalism. :smirk: :naughty:

Anyways, Shroomery language is not in a dictionary. Personalisms means what we've made it mean. This fascist oppression agansit sovereign meaning will not stand, man. :lol:

Ban the Personalisms. :smirk:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8062860 - 02/24/08 12:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

One just sounds like an idiot when they use a misnomer, whatever. :whatever:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Middleman]
    #8062925 - 02/24/08 12:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Like I really have any concern for how you regard one. :smirk:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Middleman]
    #8063183 - 02/24/08 02:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

one could translate 'our' personalism into 'personal reference' to the poster. That not only includes personal critique, but any, even positive personal references.
But as this is way off topic and a misuse of 'your' meaning, and now, as I referred to 'you' violates 'our' rule of personalism, I consider me banned :grin:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8063364 - 02/24/08 05:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's not 'my' meaning it's the dictionary's.

Are we just making up our own definitions for words now?

To say a comment about a Mormon is Mormonism is moronic.

I enjoyed your original post Moonshoe, sorry for going off-topic, just thought I'd throw it in with the other BS in this thread.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Middleman]
    #8063532 - 02/24/08 07:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The dictionary also says:

"Personalism: The quality of being characterized by purely personal modes of expression or behavior."

Many internet forum terms vary from the original definition.  Some of the most-commonly used "new" definitions have already made it into the dictionary, and some have not.  Why make such a big deal about this?  One might as well say "flaming" does not mean insulting someone on the internet, it means that something is on fire.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Veritas]
    #8063791 - 02/24/08 10:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:smirk:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8067320 - 02/25/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ok that's nice that everybody's getting in a big argument, but I'd like to take this opportunity to put the thread back on track by asking Moonshoe what his experiences have been with this method.

Successes? Anything to report?


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Notendo]
    #8067345 - 02/25/08 01:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm collecting signatures for a petition to add "personalism" to the dictionary. :devilslist:


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: RedRainDrop]
    #8071311 - 02/26/08 02:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Reminds me of a shaman i met on a dream forum...... it's reallly interesting shit... im sure you'll love reading it, moonshoe.

He talks about dieting with plants, and tells the lessons he learned from them while lucid dreaming....

Long read.... but a fucking good one.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=29076




best thing to come out of this post, im on the second page where he describes his journey with chacruna ayahuasca and san pedro.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: ShroomFan]
    #8072380 - 02/26/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Moonshoe, maybe you haven't been on for a while, or maybe you missed my question about your experience with this form of shamanism.

Successes? Failures? Comparisons?


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Notendo]
    #8072679 - 02/26/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for asking, and "re-railing" this thread.

As for my experiences, I'd be glad to share some of my more recent.

Last night I intended to have a "Shinto" dream, my personal term for a shamanic dream. During the dream I was being pursued by three males in a park that I frequented as a child. As I approached the periphery of a forest I used to love to wander in ("the witching path"), I realized I was dreaming and became lucid.

Immediately I rose upwards into the air, arms spread. The shamanic transition to the lucid state as always completely transformed the nature of the dream, and it became hyper-vivid, hyper-real. I was suffused in the deep joy and liberation that always accompanies shamanic flight, a blissful experience that is a fusion of exhilaration and relaxation.

The small patch of forest I had been in immediately transformed into "the Perfect Forest" a Shinto/shamanic realm that is my own personal soul-home.

The Perfect Forest is either a manifestation of my own truest, innermost self represented as a gorgeous physical geography for me to explore, or it is the shamanic and ancient spiritual abide of the forest Kami, or both. Either way it is among the most wonderful realms I have ever entered and my shamanic practice can almost be reduced to simply "techniques for finding the Perfect Forest"

So, i was floating above the canopy of the trees, the warm summer sun warming my back (It is winter here in Canada, and cold, but not in the spirit realm) and I held out my hands and ran my fingers through the leaves as I drifted by for a timeless eternity.

Eventually I arose into "the waking dream" and went about my Day. However, the dream stayed with me all day and beyond , as Shamanic dreams always do, it filled me with a sense of peace and positivity that I can still access just by remembering it. This is the two fold essence of my practice. First I induce a Shamanic Dream though one way or another, and experience it for joy and pleasure. Then I bring it home with me and put it into my mental "medicine bundle" for later use and access. Each shamanic dream I bring back adds a little to my happiness and power. It is like a little piece of the spirit world to take with me through my day.

A few nights before that I induced another shamanic dream. I was gazing at a lovely tree whose branches were heavy with orange and red leaves. It stood against the shore of a quiet lake, in a very peaceful, silent area. I decided to meditate and turned around to find a place to rest my back.

To my amazement, behind me was a colossal and ancient forest Kami, A Gigantic tree spirit so wide it would have taken twenty men or more to wrap there arms around it. It rose perhaps a hundred feet into the Sky and was alive with ancient wisdom.

I placed my face against its bark and hugged the small part of it I could get my arms around. Immediately i felt a deep surge of relaxation, reassurance and healing energy flow out of it and into me. This was a spirit gift from this Kami, and it empowered my energetic body.

Then I heard the voice of an old grandmother or wise woman speaking In my ear. It spoke in the Dream language, but it can be roughly translated as : "the Kami are always around us if we know how to look... even now"

then it gave me some coded information on how to see them among the grass at my feet. Just then I noticed a small white mushroom at my feet. I mentally coaxed the mushroom just so, and it revealed itself to be a tiny forest Kodama, or Kami, a small walking mushroom like entity, a tiny spirit of the grass and soil. It began to move and i noticed Another , slightly larger Kodama appear out of the trunk of the tree.

Just then my Wife awoke me from my vision, but again, the deep joy and peace of the Perfect Forest stayed with me all that day and to the present.

I have a case full of notebooks full of such journeys, and Id be happy to share more.

In the waking dream, I contact the perfect forest by going on a trip out to the gorgeous and pristine Boreal forests and lakes of Canada outside my City. Then I hike deep into the woods and find a peaceful, sunny and secluded area. I meditate by breathing in the fresh pine air and listening to the voice of the trees as the wind blows through the forest. This immediately brings me to a place of joy and relaxation and opens my spiritual eyes.

Then i begin a free-form shamanic journey as I interact with the forest and its denizens. I listen to the birdsong and eat the resinous sap of the healing trees. I Climb in their branches and place my ear against the trunk to hear its heart beat. I meditate by the rivers and listen the babbeling of the River Kami. I burn my sacred green herb and watch the smoke coil into the clear heavens, taking with it my prayers of gratitude to Amaterasu, Kami of the Sun, who sustains even the Perfect Forest.

I seek all day in this way until i find The Gate. The gate is always different, yet always the same. Often it is a tree grown or bent in such a way as to form a perfect arch or door way, located in a harmonious or beautiful area.

Once I find such a place, I clap my hands to attract the attention of the Kami, Purify my heart and mind, and formulate an Oath of Shamanic Intent such as "I intend to enter the Perfect Forest tonight in my dreams and speak to the Kami of the Moss" or "I intend to heal my illness by bathing in the spiritual pool of wellness" and i pass through the arch. This is a symbolic act of transition and signals that i have entered fully into the spiritual aspect of the forest.

Now i let my intuition guide me, and usually i sit on the ground cross legged, close my eyes, empty my mind, breathe deeply, and allow the Kami to speak to me. They speak in an organic, enveloping language and not in "words", so the trick to hearing them is to quiet your own mind and remain open.

I remain in this state of communion until i find myself on my feet and walking home. The kami jolt my body in this way when the session is over, it is not a concious choice. One minuite i am in communion, the next I am on my feet. For this reason you need never wonder "how long should I do this?"

Just do it until you are not doing it anymore.

Then i bow and say farewell to the Kami, and pass back through the Arch into the physical forest (which of course the Kami still remain a part of) and head home. I bow when i leave the forest, and often i create a totem or statue out of rocks to mark a holy place or honor the Kami of the forest.

I actually just came back from this exact experience yesterday, and i still feel empowered and refreshed by it. The only unusual thing is that this time my wife accompanied me, but her love added a holy and joyous new dimension to my experience. This journey gave me the peace and refreshment needed to enter re-invigorated into my Academic and Career duties.

I'd love to share more, but I'm out of time.

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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Veritas]
    #8072712 - 02/26/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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The dictionary also says:

"Personalism: The quality of being characterized by purely personal modes of expression or behavior."

Many internet forum terms vary from the original definition.  Some of the most-commonly used "new" definitions have already made it into the dictionary, and some have not.  Why make such a big deal about this?  One might as well say "flaming" does not mean insulting someone on the internet, it means that something is on fire.  :rolleyes:




Well shit... all this time I thought there was an serial arsonist roaming around the Shroomery.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #8072945 - 02/26/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, thanks Moonshoe. Seems like an innocent enough activity: your own special method of "recharging" or "centering" or whatever term you want to use for it. I know what you mean as far as lucid dream images being so vivid. I've had dreams where things looked more detailed and more real than they ever could in waking life.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: Notendo]
    #8073185 - 02/26/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

sounds like your merging with earth-based energies.

cosmic energy is easier, dont need all the "kami calling" and bowing, just blow your mind man.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: krin]
    #8076791 - 02/27/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"sounds like your merging with earth-based energies.

cosmic energy is easier, dont need all the "kami calling" and bowing, just blow your mind man."

Actually thats a very interesting point. I do try to merge with earth energies. However this i becoming harder for many people on earth, as the natural and untouched ecosystems become fewer and harder to access and many animal spirits disappear from this planet.

At the same time, our satellites, space probes and telescopes reach farther and farther into the heavens.

Certainly, I sometimes use my shamanic flight to explore the cosmos and the stars, flying from planet to planet or just soaring through the heavens.

I'm very interested in what the "cosmic energies" refer to for you and what techniques you use to access them.


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Re: Through the Torii Gate (Traveling to the Spirit World) [Re: krin]
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