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Re: Harvesting [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #8030936 - 02/16/08 11:40 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I'd have to agree with Onlinexaxphaanes ... Psilocybin melts at 400*F...Psilocin is an oxidizer but it converts into psilocybin when dry...when ingested though Psilocybin converts into Psilocin.


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Re: Harvesting [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8031110 - 02/16/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

dumbfounded1600 i wonder where you get all these informations from.
And in your own words:
Please stop spilling misinformation...do a search and come back...
thats all.


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Re: Harvesting [Re: udok]
    #8031621 - 02/16/08 04:07 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

because it's already been answered....thousands upon thousands of times


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Re: Harvesting [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8031792 - 02/16/08 05:04 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Even when the perfect substrate, temperature, terrarium, love of even the most experienced growers....there will be up to a ten-fold difference in actives between individual fruits and from one flush to the next, IT'S A FACT! We've all seen it. One batch sends you to Mars, the next sends you to bed early.


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Re: Harvesting [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8044810 - 02/19/08 09:01 PM (16 years, 23 hours ago)

Hey udok read:

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coda said:
Welcome to the shroomery!

But you need to read man! Like i said before, psilocybin BREAKS DOWN AT 400 F

When you kids will get it in your heads that psilocybin is a VERY stable chemical and can put up with a lot of mistreatement, then you'll finally get off this whole "heat degrades the potency of your mushrooms"

Lets talk about potency shall we since it seems to be the ONE THING EVERYONE is interested in.

Potency 101

Well all know that our mushies need nutrients to grow. Substrates with a higher nutrient base will produce more, and bigger, mushrooms. Adding ingriedients into your mixture that are rich in NITROGEN will increase your potency greatly from those that have low nitrogen content. This is why growing on poo and compost produce more, bigger, and stronger mushrooms. The high nitrogen content (along with other supplemental bacteria and nutrients) just have no comparision to WBS, Rye, or our beloved BRF.

Now that we know where potency comes from, lets take a look at the facors that affect the levels of alkaloids in your mushrooms. Before we even do that, however, let take a look at the two MOST ACTIVE chemicals in your mushrooms: Psilocin and Psilocybin.

Chemical Makeup and Properties of Actives in Mushrooms

Reading through the link we learn that Psilocybin a melting point of 400 F thats 200 DEGREES HOTTER then your average deydrator, its also much much higher then the boiling temps of water (which many of us use to make tea). SO learning this we can realize how stable this chemical really is compared to psilocin. Psilocin is the STRONGER(in terms of "potency") of the two chemicals but it is also the WEAKER(in terms of chemical breakdown). This is what degrades, when your mushrooms blue this is why, its the PSILOCIN breaking down (which would happen anyway, regardless of heat, its very sensitive).

So know that we know all this we can look at the factors which cause potency loss.

NOTHING. Besides letting your mushrooms mature to the point where they're about to rot on the cap, not one thing will cause your mushrooms to lose potency. Picking before the veil tears, after it tears, or after it "tabletops" WILL NOT CAUSE POTENCY LOSS. The debate between large vs small rages on and will NOT BE DETERMINED unless someone does a lot of research using GCMS tests on various sizes, substrates, etc.

So thats it, there's nothing else to tell. Growing mushrooms on substrates high in N will produce stronger, bigger, and more mushrooms. Harvesting times and drying temps WILL NOT decrease your potency.

Shitty substrains happen, weak mushies happen, its just a matter of accepting the fact that your genetics are weak and you need to start over. This is why agar work and strain isoloation should become impotant tools in any serious mycologists toolbox. Once you start isolating and cloning your best substrains you start avoiding these mishaps and guessing games.

Hope this was helpful.




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