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Removing WBS Floaters
    #8044248 - 02/19/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm removing "floaters" in my WBS by soaking them in water, but literally 50% of the WBS i put into the pot is floating. Is this normal to have this much? Even like corn kernels and stuff.. Maybe my water is too hard :laugh: No, but really, should I just not remove them since I know they have nutrients. Lots of cracked corn + millet is floating.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8044262 - 02/19/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yep, if you want to remove the floaters you'll end up tossing nearly 40-50% of your total amount of seed.

I got 5 quarts and 10 pints from a 20lb bag of seed.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: shevanel]
    #8044272 - 02/19/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

haha wow. ok well thats good to know :smile:


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8044332 - 02/19/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

some people toss em, some people say they don't. I do so far, since I just recently tried wbs and my pints are doing very good. Getting ready for G2G to quarts this weekend.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: shevanel]
    #8044561 - 02/19/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Jack's never bothered to remove the floaters (mostly sunflower seeds) and has had no problem with WBS yet. :courtjester:

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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: haxjester]
    #8044565 - 02/19/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I remove all floaters and sun flower seeds.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #8044664 - 02/19/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There's really no need to, It's just lack of hydration. Leave em bit longer and stir they'll be fine or just remove them. Sunflower Seeds are great. They help strengthen the cell walls of the mushroom.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8045499 - 02/19/08 11:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thx for the advice:

I've already been soaking my whole WBS for 4-5 hours. I'm gonna soak until tomorrow afternoon when I get done for the day.

A couple more questions that Ididnt wanna start a new thread on:

1) When using WBS that is not ground up into a flour, do I still use vermiculite? In the 1:1:2 measurement ratio (wbs:water:verm) ?

2) Can you grind up WBS into a flour that has been soaked for 24 hours or so, or should you really only turn dry WBS into a flour?

Thanks. I think I might try 4 WBS non-ground up, and 4 WBS flour things. I'll take pics!


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8045508 - 02/19/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

wait? You don't have a pc....YOU NEED A PRESSURE COOkER FOR GRAINS REGARDLESS OF GROUND UP OR NOT.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8045519 - 02/19/08 11:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I got one but it only goes up to 5 psi or so (its a piece of crap, lol). Im just gonna keep the heat indirect on the jars and just sterilize it and hope for the best. Dunno man.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8045585 - 02/19/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Stick with Brown Rice Flour. Guarantee you'll contaminate your jars when using Wild Bird Seed w/out a pressure cooker.

Do as I stated above. Might want to be a good idea also to put plastic over your carpet and Air Sanitize, Disinfect the walls with 10% bleach/90% water solution and I promise you better results. If not I will send you $10 in cash.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8045604 - 02/19/08 11:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Alright.. I'm gonna put makeup some jars tomorrow, sterilize them, and then let them sit (no air) for some days and see if anything happens as far as contams go.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8045620 - 02/19/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Alright.. I'm gonna put makeup some jars tomorrow, sterilize them, and then let them sit (no air) for some days and see if anything happens as far as contams go.





That's part of the reason why your jars contaminated last time...THEY NEED GAS EXCHANGE! I'd say 90% of all contaminants are caused from insufficient air exchange!


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8045713 - 02/19/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

do you have me confused with someone else? this is my first time trying to grow/sterilize jars.

anyway. i've been reading about fractional sterilization and will be trying that to kill endospores w/o pc


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8045729 - 02/19/08 11:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Shit, yes I do have you confused sorry. Fractinal sterilization only has about a 30% of actually surviving and winning


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8046202 - 02/20/08 06:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks. I think I might try 4 WBS non-ground up, and 4 WBS flour things. I'll take pics!





Make sure that you grind up the WBS very fine(no chunks).The only flour/grain that i have found that they do not like is Spelt flour.For some reason they didn't want to colonize the grain/flour.

When you boil the jars , I would do it for 1 1/2-2 hours to make sure you killed the bad guys. But that's just me!


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8046249 - 02/20/08 07:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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Alright.. I'm gonna put makeup some jars tomorrow, sterilize them, and then let them sit (no air) for some days and see if anything happens as far as contams go.





That's part of the reason why your jars contaminated last time...THEY NEED GAS EXCHANGE! I'd say 90% of all contaminants are caused from insufficient air exchange!




sterilizing jars and setting them on a shelf wont make them contaminate. they DONT need "air" exchange...actually, EVERYTHING you said is completely wrong.

too bad there isint a forum feature that lets you rate a user so you know how much to pay attention to what they say when offering advice.

RR would get a 100
taoe 99
id be around 50
dumbfounded 02
etc.

then when you get bad advice you can see that the person offering it would only be rated at 1 or 2 and you would know to wait for someone else.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8046264 - 02/20/08 07:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Most floaters(other than the black sunflower seed) are seeds that didn't quite mature, died before maturity, or they have cracked hulls, making them float when water is added.

I remove the floaters because they do not add enough nutrients to be beneficial and they just get in the way. I remove every floater I see. Of course, I like my WBS to be extremely clean. I do not like the black sunflower seeds because when the jars are colonizing, sometimes a black sunflower seed can be mistaken for a contaminate and get the jar tossed out when it was just a black seed under white mycelia. You can keep them and use them, but if and when you get a contaminate, don't blame the seeds that you left in the jar. They don't hurt anything(some say they harbour contaminates) and they won't cause you problems(if PC'd correctly), but why do all of that work, then get a contaminate and say, 'damn, I wish I had of taken those out', when you can(it's not that much more work) and not have to think that maybe they caused the contam. Leave them or take them out-tis your choice=doesn't matter either way.

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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: doc34]
    #8046494 - 02/20/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for the advice doc

Should I mix verm with the WBS? I'm going to put a dry verm layer at the top, but I haven't read anything about whether I should mix verm with the WBS or not.


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Edited by Jadis (02/20/08 09:44 AM)


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: Jadis]
    #8046566 - 02/20/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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thanks for the advice doc

Should I mix verm with the WBS? I'm going to put a dry verm layer at the top, but I haven't read anything about whether I should mix verm with the WBS or not.




Sure, why not? It will aid in adding moisture to your substrate. WBS has a tendency to hold enough water, but, adding verm only helps it do that. Water is the key to huge flushes, as long as you have the nutrients to back it. WBS has the nutes and verm holds more water, so combining the two should/will increase your yields. Just saturate to field capacity and add it to your WBS(or however you prepare it), it can only help.
I don't add it because I add the water myself(that way I know if it gets enough) by misting. If you prepare it properly you won't need to add anything, but, that takes experience. You will learn to speak the language of the shrooms and give them what they ask for when you get enough grows under your belt. Adding the verm to a WBS flour PF style jar will help it get the proper moisture it needs.

Anyhow, yes you can add it as it will only help them :thumbup:

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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: doc34]
    #8046577 - 02/20/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yep this is all so fascinating. I think I'm becoming obsessed. The past 3-4 days I've been reading hundreds of posts and all about mushrooms/fungi for hours/day. Someday I'll be able to write a library with all the information I'll have learned. Just waiting for my spore syringes to get in and then I'll be able to get some first-hand experience! Thanks!


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: doc34]
    #8046691 - 02/20/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm against adding vermiculite to grain jars for the simple fact is this:
If you add the vermiculite to the jars if you have excess moisture, it sucks it up...If you have the right moisture it screws it up making the grain content to dry! The trick is to learn to get the right moisture content. Grains should be totally dry on the surface before loading jars. That's all. It's simple. The moisture inside the grains is what you want. Either use a towel to dry after draining, or drain the grains after a simmer, and toss them around in the strainer so the steam can dry the surface.


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Re: Removing WBS Floaters [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8047012 - 02/20/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

why the hell would you remove the floaters????

You guys are so new that you do not know where/why that practice came up.
If you plan on removing the floaters please ask yourself why first???
You do not know, dont you?

Back in the day when sunflower seeds were thought to be bad they removed them. This was not done right when you added water but after it had been soaking/simmering for a few mins. The majoirty of the sunflower seeds will still be floating while the millet sink. So you will be removing 90% of the sunflower seed.

But first, ask your self why you are doing this?

SO why do we remove the sunflower seed. I posted an in depth thread about it just 2-3 days ago


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