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Re: Breakdown of Mineral Nutrients, Fats, Carbohydrates, etc. Needed by BenQSis [Re: PopACapInHisAss]
    #8043867 - 02/19/08 08:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

is an emperor who decides to flippantly mess with what works a good emperor?

Though I guess it was a little harsh, after all, it's your interest you get into it however much you want. Though if you wanted these sorts of answers you clearly should have posted this on the advanced mc forum.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Breakdown of Mineral Nutrients, Fats, Carbohydrates, etc. Needed by BenQSis [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8043934 - 02/19/08 08:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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ScavengerType said:
is an emperor who decides to flippantly mess with what works a good emperor?
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I don't know, why would you want to flippantly mess with anything?
I would never suggest doing that with anything important. Are you
implying that is what I want to do or am suggesting to other people?





Quote:


Though I guess it was a little harsh, after all, it's your interest you get into it however much you want. Though if you wanted these sorts of answers you clearly should have posted this on the advanced mc forum.




You are right. It was a little harsh. I do feel mildly apologetic.
It probably does belong in the advanced forum. However, fuel
injection was advanced technology just a few years ago but considered
common today. I get tired of these types of responses on forums or
from people in general. The attitude among people that they know
everything or that others are wasting their time are two of the
biggest problems in the world. If the average person had any idea
how ignorant and unimaginative they are compared to some of the
rest of the population, maybe they would be a little more humble.
It would help the scientists and visionaries get a lot further.


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Re: Breakdown of Mineral Nutrients, Fats, Carbohydrates, etc. Needed by BenQSis [Re: PopACapInHisAss]
    #8044308 - 02/19/08 09:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Hey mister scientist with your perfect rules of measure, you messed up your speech quotes, you're supposed to begin and end it like a conventional HTML tag and then you can type your response. Anyway I never claimed to be an expert I was just asking you what you expected to achieve. There is a total lack of understanding throughout this thread what exactly your getting at. Is it contams, or alt subs, or what? I just said "why mess with the simplicity of what works?" Like I said your question is Advanced MC and you are in MC people are bound to wonder WTF your getting at.

Secondly in your last post previous did you claim to know all the secrets of the universe? What are you Neal deGrasse Tyson? If you don't want others to be condescending may I suggest getting off your own high horse.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Breakdown of Mineral Nutrients, Fats, Carbohydrates, etc. Needed by BenQSis [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8045228 - 02/20/08 12:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

If I knew all the secrets, I'd solve everyone's problems, build
a space transport and find another planet (not that I don't love
this one, but I would love to live in a less populated place in
a more natural state).

I want to achieve anything that is possible with whatever information
I am able to uncover. I have found that new information often breeds
more ideas or deepens understanding in more ways than might be
expected from the original question.

The more precisely the substrate/nutrition for an organism can
be understood, the more experiments can be performed and clearer
conclusions drawn (when consistent and in adequate numbers).

Also, as mentioned in one of my other posts in this thread, if
you eliminate every single thing but what fungus must have, then
you might have the highest selection, at least in sterile
culture. In pasteurized culture the question might be different.
Or maybe we find out that one mineral in particular isn't necessary,
but it supports fungus immunity.

I dunno. I can only dream or speculate based on my education and
experiences. But again, new information often leads to new,
unexpected ideas. Sometimes very powerful ones. Look at all the
amazing technology now available in industrialized society.

It is mostly the result of intensive and precise collection,
correlation, and application of practical information. Physics,
chemistry, engineering, mathematics...

Don't get me wrong, I'm darn near a tree hugger, but just because
I want to understand the "secrets" of nature, does not mean I want
to use those secrets to pollute, destroy, "kill god," or any of
the other things associated with modern science and technology.

The deeper we understand nature, the better we can create
technological solutions closer to, or possibly even in harmony.

Understanding how not to utilize nature harmoniously could be
considered a science or technology.

I want to understand everything. Manipulation is not always the
goal. I love plants, fungus, animals...nature, etc.

I don't want to be on a high horse but I've liked almost every
horse I've ever met...

Most of the new stuff in the world happens in science, mathematics, engineering, etc. I love these, nature, and extreme sports.

Most questions are worth answering, especially about the nature
world around us.

How is that for a manifesto of what I want?


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Re: Breakdown of Mineral Nutrients, Fats, Carbohydrates, etc. Needed by BenQSis [Re: PopACapInHisAss]
    #8045447 - 02/20/08 01:02 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think the problem here is the venue in which you are posing your question.

This forum is about mushroom cultivation, and while yes, your question does indeed pertain to that the true nature of the forum is to ask questions relating to the production of mushrooms.

There are some members here who most definitely know what you want to know. However, the context of this forum is the dissemination of practical advice on how to produce carpophores.

Advanced Mycology is the forum in which pure theory is discussed for the most part.

Also, your questions can most likely be easily answered in a college level mycology/biology textbook. Most people here even if very experienced probably don't particularly care about the metabolism of the little guys they grow.


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Re: Breakdown of Mineral Nutrients, Fats, Carbohydrates, etc. Needed by BenQSis [Re: udok]
    #8046176 - 02/20/08 07:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Seems that i have to spend more money to get information.
Mushroom Biology: Concise Basics and Current Developments (Library Binding) 44$ *grrr*





Good book, full of info! I have every book that I'm aware of that pertains to any and all fungus-after 25 years of cultivating our little friends I think I know a little bit about them and what they need.

I did not come off as being harsh or pissy, I simply posted to a question and you come off like you know-everything(doubt that) about mushrooms but yet you do not know what they need-that was the question right?

Where did I seem to be out of hand with what I said Udok?

I know what mushrooms need to eat, I know what they need to grow, I know the basic minerials needed to sustain growth-the bare essentials. I asked what you were asking and I get a smart-ass comment from you Udok-I'm not argueing, I would just like to know why you even posted in this thread if you are smarter than everyone else?If you already know the answers why ask?

This is one member you will never get the answers out of-keep burning bridges here at the shroomery and you will get nowhere fast, my friend!


Thank you

Doc



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Re: Breakdown of Mineral Nutrients, Fats, Carbohydrates, etc. Needed by BenQSis [Re: PopACapInHisAss]
    #8057618 - 02/22/08 07:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

RogerRabbit to the rescue!

Here is a great leap in this discussion:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7689871#Post7689871

RR had a lab test for metals/minerals and the image is
in the above post.

Maybe my question belonged in advanced but I didn't know.
In some other types of horticulture, such detailed
information about nutrients and food is more common than advanced.

I don't want any bitter blood in this forum. I love it
and it is a wonderful resource of knowledge in my life.
I get frustrated with people and vent inappropriately
sometimes. Maybe I mistook a comment as being directed
at me.

Anyways, thank you all for your contributions. Can't we
all just get along :o)


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