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Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network?
    #8042947 - 02/19/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've been hearing rumors for weeks about another drought coming up, and how someone from the "family" got busted recently so certain regions are about to go dry. can anyone verify this, or is it just drug dealers making shit up to create demand for their product? :rolleyes:


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8042974 - 02/19/08 01:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I certainly can't verify it but I also certainly don't doubt it. Sorry that wasn't much help but about 6 months ago I had all the LSD I wanted, now when I'm looking for some I can't find any.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Jair]
    #8043661 - 02/19/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah same here. its always plentiful around the summer/fall, but winter/spring seems to bring a shortage, at least 'round these parts. i know some places have acid intermittently.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8043728 - 02/19/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

stock up if you can.

certain networks are dry, others arn't. depends on where you are.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8043818 - 02/19/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network?





The answer to your question is yes. That's all I can say.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: muistrue]
    #8043922 - 02/19/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know if this is related at all, but this kid here was supposed to be getting 100 hits a little over a week ago but when I talked to him yesterday he said the guy he was getting it from was busted.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: muistrue]
    #8043925 - 02/19/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The answer to your question is yes. That's all I can say.




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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: muistrue]
    #8044011 - 02/19/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The answer to your question is yes. That's all I can say.




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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8044045 - 02/19/08 06:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/sanfran120307.html
Got busted with 20 grams, which doesn't seem like a lot in the national LSD game, but its deeper than that. People don't just sell 5 grams of crystal to just anyone.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: fapjack]
    #8044139 - 02/19/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/sanfran120307.html
Got busted with 20 grams, which doesn't seem like a lot in the national LSD game, but its deeper than that. People don't just sell 5 grams of crystal to just anyone.





i'm guessing after that bust, the DEA did a bit of searching to find some large-scale cats etc.

fuck, i hope the ring doesnt go down


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: OzzyOz]
    #8044163 - 02/19/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

there's always busts going on, a reason for a dry patch in your area is because 'your guy's guy' doesnt have any or is out of town, thus creating a shortage for a lot of people.

i experience this bullshit all the time, which is why it's handy to have many suppliers


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: indica]
    #8044194 - 02/19/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7851368/an/0/page/0

Here, learn to look at the headlines on the front page while they're there.

Chances are, if this guy was running money from one operation, he's got hands in others as well, and he probably spilled something about it.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Skeeblix]
    #8044287 - 02/19/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think they are related, that was over 5 years ago and involved money laundering. Also, I don't even think Pickard was family at the point in which he got busted.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: fapjack]
    #8044334 - 02/19/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, that article is talking about a recent arrest of a guy who moves money for big-time LSD operations. This article is from last month. There's plenty of probability that this guy has worked with more than one LSD production op, especially considering the one he'd been working with originally got busted.

Money launderers are just a part of operating on huge scale like that, and when they get popped, because they're usually upper-class whites who want to spend as little time in prison as possible, they rat easily. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy gave up a new list of names.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Skeeblix]
    #8044381 - 02/19/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7851368/an/0/page/0
Chances are, if this guy was running money from one operation, he's got hands in others as well, and he probably spilled something about it.





Ok... first off, if the bust is in the area which it is in... I highly doubt that anyone in that network "spilled the beans" about anything. More likely, is that news trickled down the network and anyone else that is involved higher up is laying low for a bit to make sure everything is alright.

What is a bit scary though is that somebody that high in the network is selling 5 grams of crystal to undercover agents. They must either be way in the game and working their way up undercover as fuck, or its some dumb kid with a ton of money that knows some people.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ilus]
    #8044388 - 02/19/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Skeeblix]
    #8044422 - 02/19/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Operation, no proof that he had any other ties with other LSD operations. There are a shit ton of people that can launder money as well, over a trillion dollars a year gets laundered, its not like theres only 2 different people that can do it. Especially considering Pickard wasn't family first off, why would they use the same connections? LSD will be around again, that void in the market won't remain forever, too much money to be made.
I read the article btw.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: fapjack]
    #8044850 - 02/19/08 09:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Family or not, I wish the best for the dude:thumbup:. Although, I guess its a bit late for that.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: muistrue]
    #8045538 - 02/19/08 11:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network?





The answer to your question is yes. That's all I can say.






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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8045835 - 02/20/08 12:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I wish some of these police or politicians actually stopped to think "What exactly are we doing? Is it really helping anyone? Is LSD really a reason to lock people away in jail?"

It's like some incredibly ignorant and prejudaced person long ago made the rules to the stupidest cops and robbers game ever and people have been playing blindly for decades even though all reason and evidence show that it doesn't make any sense at all. I really wonder if these thousands or even millions of people working in the justice system ever think about the fact that they are destroying lives, putting harmless people away for a drug that doesn't kill people, isn't toxic, isn't addictive and the average person probobly wouldn't want to take.

I mean what do those agents think, "Yeah, we just took a bunch of nasty LSD of the streets and know the world is saved! Go team!"?
There's probobly plenty on the shroomery, and I wonder if they even think at all when they read our posts beyond trying find out how to seize more drugs and lock away more hippies.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8046319 - 02/20/08 08:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its much deeper than LSD, its drugs in general. This isn't the politics forum though, so this isn't the best place to discuss it.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8046336 - 02/20/08 08:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I wish some of these police or politicians actually stopped to think "What exactly are we doing? Is it really helping anyone? Is LSD really a reason to lock people away in jail?"

It's like some incredibly ignorant and prejudaced person long ago made the rules to the stupidest cops and robbers game ever and people have been playing blindly for decades even though all reason and evidence show that it doesn't make any sense at all. I really wonder if these thousands or even millions of people working in the justice system ever think about the fact that they are destroying lives, putting harmless people away for a drug that doesn't kill people, isn't toxic, isn't addictive and the average person probobly wouldn't want to take.

I mean what do those agents think, "Yeah, we just took a bunch of nasty LSD of the streets and know the world is saved! Go team!"?
There's probobly plenty on the shroomery, and I wonder if they even think at all when they read our posts beyond trying find out how to seize more drugs and lock away more hippies.




I think more people need to dose and see what it's all about. Once they wake up from their trip feeling like they've started life over anew, they might change their minds about the damn drug.

Of course, all law enforcement knows about LSD is that it's effects are strong, and thus they think it's desirable to take all the time, that it's addictive, etc...


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8046374 - 02/20/08 08:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Instead of using a missile silo, why not use a church? There are plenty of them around. You could convert the basement and then use the rest of the church as an honest bible-abiding community.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: herelittlepiggy]
    #8046408 - 02/20/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Instead of using a missile silo, why not use a church? There are plenty of them around. You could convert the basement and then use the rest of the church as an honest bible-abiding community.




:rofl2: yeah just go and convert the fully operational meth lab in the basement into an LSD lab. no problem.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8046412 - 02/20/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah same here. its always plentiful around the summer/fall, but winter/spring seems to bring a shortage, at least 'round these parts. i know some places have acid intermittently.



The winter/spring part is understandable, simply for the logistics of LSD manufacture. Simple thing is - wheat doesn't grow during the winter, and it only starts to grow in the spring! And since ergot grows usually on wheat/grain products, there goes an important substance in LSD manufacture! At least that's somewhat along my line of thinking(I'm a bit high now :laugh:)


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8046448 - 02/20/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Let us not rule it out. I've grown up in the same church thus far, and I know the custodian does some crazy stuff in the basement (i know for a fact he smokes i.e. with me). He's the only one who has the right key to get down there. I am not saying he actually has anything going on down there, but if I was him I would.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: herelittlepiggy]
    #8046505 - 02/20/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"herelittlepiggy"

are you a cop??


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Hopi]
    #8046528 - 02/20/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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yeah same here. its always plentiful around the summer/fall, but winter/spring seems to bring a shortage, at least 'round these parts. i know some places have acid intermittently.



The winter/spring part is understandable, simply for the logistics of LSD manufacture. Simple thing is - wheat doesn't grow during the winter, and it only starts to grow in the spring! And since ergot grows usually on wheat/grain products, there goes an important substance in LSD manufacture! At least that's somewhat along my line of thinking(I'm a bit high now :laugh:)




Yeah, probably not. I have read that extractions from an ergot culture is a time-consuming, expensive, and unrealistically difficult method for obtaining precursors. Also, I imagine it could be grown indoors on some kind of medium, so it could be grown year round and wouldn't be dependent on the grain growing season.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8046545 - 02/20/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

There was an article in the daily news (new york) 2 days ago how some multi-millionare got caught laundering LSD money. was a full page article...


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8046546 - 02/20/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol is that seriously a question? fuck no. I know every cop around my town and they think I'm this sweet little religious girl (daughter of a preacher man). Ah, that cracks me up though.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #8046559 - 02/20/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, probably not. I have read that extractions from an ergot culture is a time-consuming, expensive, and unrealistically difficult method for obtaining precursors. Also, I imagine it could be grown indoors on some kind of medium, so it could be grown year round and wouldn't be dependent on the grain growing season.




You are correct sir.

If anyone is using ergot, they're certainly using an indoor culture of Claviceps paspali.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8047162 - 02/20/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lsd is illegal for plenty of justifiable reasons... same with mushrooms, and all other drugs. if you all weren't so biased, and were "open minded" like you say you are you would be able to see this. just because a person has a choice to put something in their body does not deem that it should be legalized. now if you want decriminalized to possess a small, small amount of LSD or whatever, or under an 8th or a quarter of weed i am all for it... but to legalize such powerful drugs... no

i do drugs because i do not care about drug laws, and i do not deal so i do not believe i will get caught (i do my drugs in my house)... but people breaking the law in possession of a lot of drugs should be put in jail... and people trafficking drugs should be put in jail. :smile:

frankly you people should be happy you live in societies as accepting as the USA, etc... in China, if you got caught, you would be put to death in many cases... most of the world outside of europe and north/south america are this way as well
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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047278 - 02/20/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

u are a fuck headed individual... do you not realize if people werent dealing or trafficking drugs then you and everyone else who wants to do them would not be able to obtain them. (unless you happen to grow your own drugs) in which case thats respectable but equally just as a crime in your point of view.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047279 - 02/20/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So maybe god shouldn't have left mushrooms all over the place?


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047292 - 02/20/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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lsd is illegal for plenty of justifiable reasons... same with mushrooms, and all other drugs. if you all weren't so biased, and were "open minded" like you say you are you would be able to see this. just because a person has a choice to put something in their body does not deem that it should be legalized. now if you want decriminalized to possess a small, small amount of LSD or whatever, or under an 8th or a quarter of weed i am all for it... but to legalize such powerful drugs... no

i do drugs because i do not care about drug laws, and i do not deal so i do not believe i will get caught (i do my drugs in my house)... but people breaking the law in possession of a lot of drugs should be put in jail... and people trafficking drugs should be put in jail. :smile:

frankly you people should be happy you live in societies as accepting as the USA, etc... in China, if you got caught, you would be put to death in many cases... most of the world outside of europe and north/south america are this way as well
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If these people were put in jail how the hell are you suppose to get LSD?  LSD doesn't grow like cannabis or mushrooms...


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Shamanintraining]
    #8047305 - 02/20/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i already covered that^^:grin:


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    #8047309 - 02/20/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Your post wasn't up there when I read that :/


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    #8047312 - 02/20/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

obviously they will not all be put in jail moron - they haven't yet (gotten caught) so why would one assume that they ever will be?? the tricks of the trade will always be passed down and a new person will take over and eventually get caught. just because they aren't going to get caught does not mean that they shouldn't get caught... "fuck head"

and everyone who breaks the law "should be" put in jail. law is one of the cornerstones of human society and without it society as a whole would fail... regardless of what you think of a particular law that is a fact.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Shamanintraining]
    #8047313 - 02/20/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

its all good this guy is a stupid fuck though


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #8047326 - 02/20/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you assume that these mushrooms were created and placed there by some creator... who is to say for sure? not you... so don't use that as an argument.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Shamanintraining]
    #8047330 - 02/20/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047335 - 02/20/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well im an atheist so i wont use that argument but they are naturally occurring plants.. and who is to "say for sure" that human society is right in what it and obviously you believe and follow??


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047338 - 02/20/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

who the fuck else created mushrooms? if they were not there meant to be consumed they would not be there.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ashfiken]
    #8047356 - 02/20/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

its not my fault you submit to retard counterculture ideas the same as any other person submits to pop culture ideas... you are no different than some pro-life anti stem-cell evangelical christian who goes to local schools and posts up pictures of dead babies... basehead.

any logical person will not say "LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS, THE GOVERNMENT IS AGAINST EXPLORATION OF THE MIND BLA BLA BLA ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS ARE BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT"

if you took a vote from of all the humans in the USA i am sure that more than 75% (that is really being generous) would vote to keep LSD, shrooms, whatever illegal... that is what the government does - represents the people... and then you will come back with some bullshit like the Govt is using their propaganda machine to brainwash all the people JUST BECAUSE the majority of people do not agree with your opinion...


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047368 - 02/20/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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and then you will come back with some bullshit like the Govt is using their propaganda machine to brainwash all the people JUST BECAUSE the majority of people do not agree with your opinion...





Most people are not given the opportunity to agree with the opinions of psychedelic users.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ashfiken]
    #8047377 - 02/20/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

dude you can say that about anything... what matters is what the majority of humans believe - if you come up with some ground breaking (truly ground breaking) reasoning and can find proof for human society being completely wrong besides your own personal experience with mushrooms (which is not universal) then i will listen to it. you could tell me that my skin is white and i could respond with "well according to you my skin is white but in actuality my skin is not white because we are all living in a dream world and in the true reality of my skin is that it is orange"

i am not against drugs... i am just saying that the government, the law, etc are not wrong just because you had a good experience on LSD, Shrooms, whatever...


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047397 - 02/20/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, and what percentage of humans have actually experienced psychedelics?

the fact is that the majority of humans don't even know the effects of psychedelics to make an informed opinion. like the proverbial sheep in a herd they fallow blindly.

and actually if you read anything about spiritual religions you will find a correlation between psychedelic states and spiritual enlightenment.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047405 - 02/20/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

history has shown over and over again on this earth that the majority is as a whole just as foolish as any other radical group that chooses to disassociate itself with the majority. NO ONE EVER SAID LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS secondly. while the government does have to do with majority decision i dont even believe it plays more of a role than simply the majorities' ignorance. im not speaking of my experiences nor dream worlds either only the broad plane of view you have chosen to form your argument with. and the fact that majority doesnt mean faultless


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8047410 - 02/20/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lmao... yes just because something grows (and doesnt happen to kill you - even though it is toxic) means that it is meant to be there and to be consumed... stunning... simply stunning...


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047412 - 02/20/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

psilocybin is not toxic you ignorant fuck. learn to do some research before debating.

edit: ps. tobacco and alcohol are the toxins your talking about, why don't you preach about the illegalization of those substances?


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047429 - 02/20/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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if you took a vote from of all the humans in the USA i am sure that more than 75% (that is really being generous) would vote to keep LSD, shrooms, whatever illegal... that is what the government does - represents the people... and then you will come back with some bullshit like the Govt is using their propaganda machine to brainwash all the people JUST BECAUSE the majority of people do not agree with your opinion...




Well... yeah... and that same public probably shouldnt be regarded with too much esteem. Obviously the aims of modern society dont really mesh with the values of intoxication and altered consciousness. However, I do believe I am entitled to put whatever I want into my body. I think the government steps over lines when they set such rules. However that results with a grey area. I like less government though. I just wish that if anyone that was using drugs responsibly and got caught would not be prosecuted much at all. Thats where the true bullshit lies. I wish that we could agree with that. In the end, the point of the game is to not get caught, I feel as though currently its not TOO hard to prevent getting caught, especially as a user.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8047430 - 02/20/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yo krishna... seriously are you fucking retarded? mushrooms are toxic - just because one chemical within the mushrooms is not toxic does not mean that other things within the mushroom are not.

and when i make arguments about legalizing drugs, i say that alcohol and tobacco should be illegal if we are truly going to be strict about enforcing our laws to protect the people... but alcohol / tobacco are still incomparable to lsd/other hallucinogens despite the stats on fatalities involving them.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047441 - 02/20/08 01:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

dude, everythings toxic, the fucking oxygen you breathe is toxic. how toxic are mushrooms compared to pharmaceutical drugs?

ok after reading that last statement i'm done arguing with an ignorant fuck like you. enjoy your sobriety but don't force it on others.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: andrewss]
    #8047458 - 02/20/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

andrew i agree with you - but i mean as a single user if you get caught while being on drugs 99% of the time you will be outside your own home... public intoxication... same thing happens to drunks on a friday night in your home town. if you are trippin in your own house go for it... but when you act all bitter just because you got caught out in public... well... i dont accept that. you can't want these drugs to be legal just because you got caught. it is your fault for breaking societies laws. (not you personally)


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047460 - 02/20/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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if you took a vote from of all the humans in the USA i am sure that more than 75% (that is really being generous) would vote to keep LSD, shrooms, whatever illegal... that is what the government does - represents the people... and then you will come back with some bullshit like the Govt is using their propaganda machine to brainwash all the people JUST BECAUSE the majority of people do not agree with your opinion...




First of all, this is not really a case of majority rules, as it's an issue of individual rights.

Second of all, if you don't think the government is trying to heavily inffluence peoples opinions of drugs, you aren't seeing the whole picture.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8047469 - 02/20/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i am glad you aren't going to respond because every post you have made shows the true ignorance that you bring to any argument or debate and honestly just brings down the thread. i think i might block you so i do not have to deal with reading your idiotic posts in the future.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047476 - 02/20/08 02:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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yo krishna... seriously are you fucking retarded? mushrooms are toxic - just because one chemical within the mushrooms is not toxic does not mean that other things within the mushroom are not.

and when i make arguments about legalizing drugs, i say that alcohol and tobacco should be illegal if we are truly going to be strict about enforcing our laws to protect the people... but alcohol / tobacco are still incomparable to lsd/other hallucinogens despite the stats on fatalities involving them.




i have read all your stuff and no one said legalize all drugs, i don't even want pot to be made legal, decriminalized > legality. if you buy drugs (which you said you do) you should be thrown in jail. just because you do your drugs in your house doesn't mean its not illegal. if you speed, j-walk, drive w/o a seat belt, spit on a sidewalk, etc etc does that mean you should go to jail?? well its my choice that i smoke grass and eat psychedelic drugs, why should i go to jail for that??

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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047478 - 02/20/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ok, enjoy. dumbass. i'm not the one advocating regulation of what people ingest, might as well monitor what people eat too.


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    #8047505 - 02/20/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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ok, enjoy. dumbass. i'm not the one advocating regulation of what people ingest, might as well monitor what people eat too.




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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: wildchild68]
    #8047525 - 02/20/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i understand the argument that some may for individual rights and i understand that the government does try to influence people... but drugs like lsd's legality are not just a matter of individual rights. the decriminalization/legality of these drugs would bring the whole society into the fray... must i go into why i think this is true or can you understand that for yourself?

mind you all of my posts have been directed toward divided_sky before the point where some other board members attacked my response to him.

krishna once again you bring your ignorance into this thread making false claims about what i am trying to say... why must there always be "that guy" on these kinds of forums. now you are blocked because not only do you attack this opposing view with horrid arguments, but you cant even read/comprehend what i say before you do so.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047550 - 02/20/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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decriminalization/legality of these drugs would bring the whole society into the fray... must i go into why i think this is true or can you understand that for yourself?






thats the point. if LSD were legal again, combined with the general state of unrest and political unsatisfactoryness it would be nothing short of a deconstruction of all the base values that our society is founded on. this happened in the 60's and it scared the shit out of the government, that is why LSD is illegal.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #8047554 - 02/20/08 02:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It sucks being young and not having any hookups except dumb kids that get lsa few and far between. :\


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047558 - 02/20/08 02:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i understand the argument that some may for individual rights and i understand that the government does try to influence people... but drugs like lsd's legality are not just a matter of individual rights. the decriminalization/legality of these drugs would bring the whole society into the fray... must i go into why i think this is true or can you understand that for yourself?

mind you all of my posts have been directed toward divided_sky before the point where some other board members attacked my response to him.

krishna once again you bring your ignorance into this thread making false claims about what i am trying to say... why must there always be "that guy" on these kinds of forums. now you are blocked because not only do you attack this opposing view with horrid arguments, but you cant even read/comprehend what i say before you do so.




so you don't believe that the government has been feeding us propaganda?? watch Grass the documentary on pot and see the BS they fed people.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: smokeybear]
    #8047576 - 02/20/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the government is different now than it was in the 50s, 60s, and 70s... please do not use that as an argument. (the false information put forth by government officials during those days when they were just as ignorant as the users of drugs - we have advanced.)

shroom doom, by into the fray i do not mean it would break down our society but i believe it would just affect the society as a whole in a negative way. personally i think it is very illogical to assume that anything could shake the basic beliefs/values of our society on as grand of a scale as those officials in the Vietnam era thought


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047596 - 02/20/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, so much so that now we're in a war with iraq and people think lsd gets trapped in your spine and makes your brain bleed. not to mention dare...

what are you a cop or a government official or something? cause you sure share a lot of the viewpoints they do.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8047650 - 02/20/08 02:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:blah::blah::blah:



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    #8047660 - 02/20/08 02:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol, pretty much...


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: CFCID]
    #8047681 - 02/20/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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the government is different now than it was in the 50s, 60s, and 70s... please






yeah exactly. i dint say anything about the government today, i said the deconstruction of the base values (mainly monetary ones) that was seen on such a large scale scared the government shitless in the 60s'. that is why lsd is illegal. were it to be legalized today, i garuntee you would see nearly the same rate of people "dropping out" of the expectations of society and forming their own values and ideals. you get more than a few million people to experience this what do you think is going to happen?


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why would the outcome effect society more negatively than positively?
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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8047705 - 02/20/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if you would notice my first comment was Re: Smokeybear ... the second paragraph was directed towards you (that is why i said to shroom doom)

so please read?

you confuse pessimism with realism... i believe that is what would happen. no one knows for sure but i like society the way it is now and in my macro view of the USA (my society) i believe that if drugs like dmt, lsd, etc were legalized in the long term it would not spell well for the USA. unfortunately all of you fucking morons think that i am against drugs because i hold this viewpoint. i am not against drugs personally, AS I HAVE STATED, but i believe that if drugs such as lsd were legalized such an action would bring more negative consequences than positive.


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    #8047734 - 02/20/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

realism would be having that outlook based on a valid observation.

pessimism is having that negative outlook without any observations to back it up.

could you please explain how LSD, if made legal, can more aversely affect society than positively change it?


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    #8047747 - 02/20/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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if you would notice my first comment was Re: Smokeybear ... the second paragraph was directed towards you (that is why i said to shroom doom)

so please read?





what do you think would happen if drugs were all legalized?


The majority of what most americans know about drugs is from what other people have told tham rather than research done by themselves to better understand these chemicals.

If people were made to learn correct information about these drugs they could be legalized without society collapsing.



Its like youre under the impression drug prohibition is and old thing? Drugs have an important role in out world and they arnt going anywhere. demonizing them and incarcerating people for these drugs is ridiculous.


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if you would notice my first comment was Re: Smokeybear ... the second paragraph was directed towards you (that is why i said to shroom doom)

so please read?

you confuse pessimism with realism... i believe that is what would happen. no one knows for sure but i like society the way it is now and in my macro view of the USA (my society) i believe that if drugs like dmt, lsd, etc were legalized in the long term it would not spell well for the USA. unfortunately all of you fucking morons think that i am against drugs because i hold this viewpoint. i am not against drugs personally, AS I HAVE STATED, but i believe that if drugs such as lsd were legalized such an action would bring more negative consequences than positive.




I bet uncle sam is proud his brainwashing job worked so perfectly with you.


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    #8047801 - 02/20/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I wish some of these police or politicians actually stopped to think "What exactly are we doing? Is it really helping anyone? Is LSD really a reason to lock people away in jail?"

It's like some incredibly ignorant and prejudaced person long ago made the rules to the stupidest cops and robbers game ever and people have been playing blindly for decades even though all reason and evidence show that it doesn't make any sense at all. I really wonder if these thousands or even millions of people working in the justice system ever think about the fact that they are destroying lives, putting harmless people away for a drug that doesn't kill people, isn't toxic, isn't addictive and the average person probobly wouldn't want to take.

I mean what do those agents think, "Yeah, we just took a bunch of nasty LSD of the streets and know the world is saved! Go team!"?
There's probobly plenty on the shroomery, and I wonder if they even think at all when they read our posts beyond trying find out how to seize more drugs and lock away more hippies.





You are right my friend. LSD is a completely safe drug, even when you take it in high dosages. This country's political system is fucked up; LSD should be legalized. Infact, we should allow kids to take it because it will make them think more 'deeply' and see the 'truth' at a young age. The side effects of LSD are mild; a bad trip may trigger a black out state, where you might wander around and not be aware of your actions and harm other people in the process.... who cares though. It may cause some hepatitis and significant chromosonal damage but again, it's not that big of a deal. Not to mention if you keep on taking it and taking it, you might turn into LSD one day. You know what people need to experiance.... the trip. If cops were to try some LSD, they would see the truth and understand where we are comming from. It is societies influence on us that make us think the way we do... people need to open up their minds and try new things. Like Rape. I don't understand why rape is illegal. Nobody is dying in the process... only a little harm. AND IT FEELS SO GOOD! Damned narrowminded political system... rape should be legalized... there is no purpose in having laws against it. We are animals and we were put on this earth to bang. I think that everybody should open up their minds and try raping somebody someday... maybe after that, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HOW I FEEL!


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: grahf]
    #8047806 - 02/20/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you are asking me to write something that can be a 50 page graduation dissertation on a shroom forum. im sorry but i dont have the time to write such a thing. i will do a short explanation when i get home from work or the next time im on this forum.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: grahf]
    #8047816 - 02/20/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

whos this fucking troll?

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I bet uncle sam is proud his brainwashing job worked so perfectly with you.


Good Job.:rofl:


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: blacksun]
    #8047836 - 02/20/08 03:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, this thread doubled in retardedness and hijacking overnight. Good job.


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Re: another DARE casualty [Re: sui]
    #8047849 - 02/20/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

suimush you have done a good job of bringing in ad hominem arguments to a topic and making yourself look foolish. not only are you completely biased in your views (obviously based off the pictures in ur sig) but you dont even take the time to read all the posts i've made on this forum... probably too high to concentrate for that long

i am far from brainwashed. you come at me with the same big brother argument that all of you morons use.


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Re: Did someone large recently get busted in the LSD network? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8047866 - 02/20/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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What illustrain said.


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