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Slimz
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Tales of untruth?
#8042387 - 02/19/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'll start....
Coir is not nutritious - UNTRUE ! coir is actually VERY nutritious and has been compared openly to poo/straw mixes.
Incubator should be at 86 degrees - UNTRUE! Incubating at lower temps (68-75) are safer (less contam) and just as fast. besides that, when myc grows, it puts off heat, so even if your room is at 75, the center of your cake/grain can be much warmer.
12 on 12 off The 12 hours of light cycle is also a myth. Lighting is a pin trigger, but a few hours of light a day works fine. my lighting is very inconsistent and everything pins fine. I agree with everything else below..
Cold Shocking Ad RR said, remove it from you vocab.. Cold Shocking is ONLY for cold weather mushrooms like Shitake and some medicinal ones as well. Dunking in the fridge is to reduce contam. dunking at room temperature would also work just fine.
Please add to the list of misconceptions and untruths..
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Edited by Slimz (02/19/08 11:54 AM)
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: Tales of untruth? [Re: Slimz]
#8042429 - 02/19/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Incubation of Cubes - Anything above 81+ increases thermophilics and slows growth down. The 86F myth was based off a flawed agar study in 'The Mushroom Cultivator' (by Paul Stamets) where heat isn't generated. 75-78F is fine and colonizes 2 days slower if not at the same time. Better safe then sorry incubating at 86F because contaminants THRIVE at this temperature. The moisture comes from condensation on the lid of the pressure cooker that constantly rains down on the jars below. That's the reason for the foil. I'd start over and get it right. Don't waste spores getting off on the wrong foot. Bulk substrates produce more internal heat than a colonizing jar. I don't recommend letting the ambient exceed 80F with bulks. Room temp is just fine. It's what I use.
Light During Incubation - Expose to light from day one. There is no reason at all to ever have your mycelia in the dark. Darkness will only delay pinning. If you give light from day one, your yields will go up, and you won't face overlay problems. Normal lighting is fine even if it starts to pin, spawn it anyways. "Don't expose LIGHT to Colonizing Jars", Those words were written by Stamets in TMC 20 years ago, and he disavows that advice today. I concur. The only real time that keeping in the dark has an advantage in my experience is during casing run, when the introduction of light after casing colonization can serve as one of the pinning triggers along with air exchange and proper humidity. Bear in mind, you want a constant rate of evaporation from your substrate to acheive the best pinset. If you're at 100% humidity, there will be little to no moisture evaporating from your casing layer, and pinsets will suffer.
Fruiting Temperature - Fruiting in the 75F will only increase your chances of contamination + Not healthy for it sweats the mycelium. Fruiting at 68-72F is optimal for these reasons 1. Less Contamination/Bacteria Rate. 2. Better Fruit Quality. 3. Easier To Control Harvest Time. 4. Easier To Control Evaporation.
Light Fruiting - Lighting is EXTREMELY important for a good pinset. Cubes will fruit in very low light conditions, but bright fluorescent light will help to trigger the pinsets the old timers show all the time that makes folks drool. Actually, you're probably right. The mushrooms don't care that much about light, but the mycelium sure as heck does. Lights, especially fluroescent, should be OUTside the terrarium, but near enough to flood the fruiting chamber in bright, high frequency light. Don't put the ballast outside and the lamps inside. The tombstones have a fairly high voltage potiential across them, and wrapping a warm item in plastic in a wet environment is. . .dumb. There isn't much more useless than 'blue' mood lights, especially from led's. Kalvin 6500k Blue Spectrum Flourescent Lighting is Ideal. 12 Off 12 On ... You'll see the results And FYI The lights are only $12
Edited by dumbfounded1600 (02/19/08 11:37 AM)
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shevanel
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this should get interesting
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Slimz
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Re: Tales of untruth? [Re: shevanel]
#8042569 - 02/19/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i sure hope not...
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dumbfounded1600 said: Incubation of Cubes - Anything above 81+ increases thermophilics and slows growth down. The 86F myth was based off a flawed agar study in 'The Mushroom Cultivator' (by Paul Stamets) where heat isn't generated. 75-78F is fine and colonizes 2 days slower if not at the same time. Better safe then sorry incubating at 86F because contaminants THRIVE at this temperature. The moisture comes from condensation on the lid of the pressure cooker that constantly rains down on the jars below. That's the reason for the foil. I'd start over and get it right. Don't waste spores getting off on the wrong foot. Bulk substrates produce more internal heat than a colonizing jar. I don't recommend letting the ambient exceed 80F with bulks. Room temp is just fine. It's what I use.
Light During Incubation - Expose to light from day one. There is no reason at all to ever have your mycelia in the dark. Darkness will only delay pinning. If you give light from day one, your yields will go up, and you won't face overlay problems. Normal lighting is fine even if it starts to pin, spawn it anyways. "Don't expose LIGHT to Colonizing Jars", Those words were written by Stamets in TMC 20 years ago, and he disavows that advice today. I concur. The only real time that keeping in the dark has an advantage in my experience is during casing run, when the introduction of light after casing colonization can serve as one of the pinning triggers along with air exchange and proper humidity. Bear in mind, you want a constant rate of evaporation from your substrate to acheive the best pinset. If you're at 100% humidity, there will be little to no moisture evaporating from your casing layer, and pinsets will suffer.
Fruiting Temperature - Fruiting in the 75F will only increase your chances of contamination + Not healthy for it sweats the mycelium. Fruiting at 68-72F is optimal for these reasons 1. Less Contamination/Bacteria Rate. 2. Better Fruit Quality. 3. Easier To Control Harvest Time. 4. Easier To Control Evaporation.
Oh great, here I am getting ready to get started for the first time today and this is basically the opposite of everything I've read here.
Was planning on putting my incubation tub in a pitch black closet and setting my aquarium heater to 81 so the jars would reach around 86 degrees F.
If that information is out dated then why does everyone keep talking about it?
So I should keep my tub out in the open and set the heater to something more like 72 degrees F?
Thanks
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dumbfounded1600
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Because there still stuck on Paul Stamets The Mushroom Cultivator ... Don't get me wrong there is a lot of information in there and I recommend everyone just starting off to read it but for the cultivation...There's a lot of flawed misinformation for cubes as well as there's lots of misinformation on here. If you wanna learn something do a lot and a lot of reading but don't believe everything you see. Lot's of people here don't want to read and just get spoonfed the information. I really dispise people like that.
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dumbfounded1600 said: Because there still stuck on Paul Stamets The Mushroom Cultivator ... Don't get me wrong there is a lot of information in there and I recommend everyone just starting off to read it but for the cultivation...There's a lot of flawed misinformation for cubes as well as there's lots of misinformation on here. If you wanna learn something do a lot and a lot of reading but don't believe everything you see. Lot's of people here don't want to read and just get spoonfed the information. I really dispise people like that.
Yea that makes sense, I can understand people just repeating things they've heard without researching it themselves, and stating it as if it is fact, but there are a lot of people here who seem to actually be doing these things, what with all the pics and what not.
I want to find out what works best for myself, but I am on a limited budget so I am just trying to get something going without it being a total failure. I cant really afford two incubation tub setups so if my temp is too high and I get contams I am screwed.
Ahh too be a noob
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really? should i be exposing my PF jars o light?
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dumbfounded1600
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FYI...Just because it works doesn't mean it's ideal.
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itsallnines said: really? should i be exposing my PF jars o light?
It doesn't matter. Ambient room light will have no effect on colonizing mycelium.
As for temperature, growth slows down above 83F, so keep your ambient temperature to 81F or below. There's really nothing to be gained by having your jars at an ambient temperature above 77F, and contaminants are stimulated by higher temperatures as well. I colonize at normal room temperature.
It would be nice to do a clean-sweep of all the outdated information in the archives here, but my time is too limited these days to take it on. In addition, mrs rabbit and I are in the process of moving to a new place up in the mountains, so my time here is extremely restricted. RR
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dumbfounded1600
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WHAT? meaning you won't have internet?
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blowingsm0ke
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Okay well thanks guys, looks like I will still use the tub and set the aquarium heater to 77F as my house is only 68. Wish I had known this before I bought the heater though. 
Anyway I'm sure this information will be very valuable to me shortly, so thanks for posting it.
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Slimz
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RR a clean sweep is a great idea, but maybe a sticky would do the trick
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me if you have questions about lasers Although i may advise others in a general way regarding all types of mushroom grows, and may even post question from other forums about growing "active" mushrooms, i only grow non-"active" mushrooms and edibles. FeelFamily resident tech guru
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Re: Tales of untruth? [Re: Slimz]
#8053404 - 02/21/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes
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