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Post-Castro Cuba
    #8041831 - 02/19/08 07:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, Fidel has resigned.

What do you think happens next?

Elections, or does Raoul just step right in?


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042116 - 02/19/08 10:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Are you joking?

Elections?!

Raoul will take power...Castro will die and things will slowly
turn around.

But it will still be a decade or more before our embargo is lifted.

The Florida lobby is bitter, wealthy and vocal.


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: afoaf]
    #8042314 - 02/19/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

shit, so I'm not going to be able to buy a Cuban Cigar in Wal-Mart anytime soon.....


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8042329 - 02/19/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

February 19, 2008

Fidel Castro, the Cuban president who seized power in a 1959 revolution, has stated in a quote in Cuba's state-run newspaper Granma that when the National Assembly of Cuba meets on February 24 he "will not aspire to or accept... the positions of President of Council of State and Commander in Chief."

81-year-old Castro handed over control to his 76-year-old brother Raúl when he underwent surgery in July 2006. "It would betray my conscience to take up a responsibility that requires mobility and total devotion, that I am not in a physical condition to offer," Castro explained.





http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro_resigns_as_Cuban_president


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #8042342 - 02/19/08 10:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That is what this thread is in reference to.


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: afoaf]
    #8042455 - 02/19/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
Raoul will take power...Castro will die and things will slowly
turn around.





What is the rationale for thinking that Raoul will lead some kind moderating reform movement? Is he not just as radical or more so than Fidel?

I was just reading the other day that Raoul is the one who actually ordered our planes fired on back in the 60's...


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042655 - 02/19/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you're right...it's probably blind optimism.

maybe I should be hoping for elections.

I guess I just have a 'anyone but castro' mentality...as in how
could anyone but castro believe that cuba is *working*?


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: afoaf]
    #8042679 - 02/19/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

working according to what standard? :smile:


Edited by Arp (02/19/08 12:27 PM)


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042708 - 02/19/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't expect any sudden changes. But Raol is pretty old himself so hopefully he will allow some reforms before he kicks the bucket.

And hopefully we can drop that stupid embargo soon. It has only hurt the Cuban people while strengthening Castro.


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: zorbman]
    #8042878 - 02/19/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The embargo has done nothing to harm the Cuban people since the whole rest of the world trades with them. There is nothing they can't get or sell if they could pay for it or if anyone wanted it. It is strictly symbolic. The Cuban people are suffering because they live in a socialist shithole dictatorship. No other reason.


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Re: Post-Castro Cuba [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8042939 - 02/19/08 01:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That is why sanctions usually fail. Where there is demand there is usually supply from somewhere. Except the people pay much higher prices due to the middleman taking profits. So they are actually hurt in that regard. I would prefer we had never done it but we should have at least lifted it after the Cold War ended. It is a relic of a bygone era.

I think the only reason we have not lifted it by now is politicians don't want to risk losing Florida due to the politically potent Cuban exile community in Miami.

Maybe someone could provide some examples of cases where sanctions actually worked. I can't think of any off the top of my head. Seems to me they are almost always gotten around. And I don't think one should give an order or pass a law unless one can actually enforce it. Otherwise all you have left is a feel-good measure which does nothing to help and can only hurt the wrong people.

Probably the only thing that would work is an actual embargo with a ring of ships around an island nation ala' Cuban Missle Crisis. Of course that would be impractical over the long term.

The only thing this so-called "embargo" has really done is allow Castro to scapegoat the U.S. for the problems which his government has largely created. It has let him off the hook for almost fifty years.


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