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Straight coco coir - inferior substrate?
    #8041574 - 02/19/08 04:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I spawned some WBS to coco coir 8 days ago and have seen [apart from cobweb mold on one spawn-bag used] horrible growth. The mycelium, where it has grown, is very stringy, slow and looks like snowflake particles. I.e the mycelium doesn't consolidate its growth, it merely sends out more spikey strands.

Am I right in thinking this is a sign of poor nutriment in the coir substrate? It would appear to be wet enough, and even in the tubs with micropore-tape filter patches, growth is unsatisfactory. Time is not an issue - at this rate, the mycelium will grow old and die before it has colonized even a third of the small tubs.

For reference, this is my first time using coir. It's possible I may not have hydrated it fully, however there is condensation on the inside of most of the tubs, so I doubt this is the case.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8041586 - 02/19/08 04:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Before I get ripped into, yes I understand straight coco coir isn't the best substrate. However, I was getting to a point where I either just needed to do SOMETHING or throw away all my spawnbags. I know you need used coffee grounds for nitrogen and other additions to balance out the ph. But I would have thought that straight coco coir on its own was nutritious enough to be used, as people have, in the past. What am I doing wrong with my spawning?


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8041754 - 02/19/08 06:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Added a [poor quality] photo to illustrate the myc growth.



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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8041786 - 02/19/08 07:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what was your spawn to substrate ratio?


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8041793 - 02/19/08 07:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I just used coir for the first time with nothing added and I've never seen any other sub. colonize so quick and evenly. Its got to be something else. Wish I could be of more help but just saying its fine using it straight. The strain could be the problem. B+ is crazy aggressive.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Demetri]
    #8041815 - 02/19/08 07:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

straight coir



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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8041817 - 02/19/08 07:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

your coir looks too wet, its hard to tell though...


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: hazey]
    #8041935 - 02/19/08 08:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

its great.. that "Snowflake" is a good sign.. it is reaching and growing fast and will fill in in no time.. when it shoots those stringers out, its doing just fine..


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Slimz]
    #8042084 - 02/19/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Straight coir rocks, but you might want to fluff it up with 40-50% verm next time.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8042128 - 02/19/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I get consistently good results from straight coir.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Yrat]
    #8043683 - 02/19/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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straight coir



don't know what to tell you




That's cased with verm isn't it?

Still, would lend credence to the idea that I've done something wrong. The strain is orissa india.

The spawn ratio was very small, however I had enough for the mycelium to take hold. Even given the increased colonization times, I can observe the initial spawn points and the growth is along strings and it hasn't consolidated any of its growth so far [i.e becoming thicker and completely white]. Wouldn't this be an indication of too little moisture? I don't have GE on any of these since they're so small, I suspect that may be an issue but I don't want to open them up for possible contamination unless I have to.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8044099 - 02/19/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Probably too wet of coir.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Boomers420]
    #8046009 - 02/20/08 01:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hmm... I'll add some GE strips [hopefully it won't contam] and see if it helps a little. Or just open it up, fan the hell out of it, and run. Not sure how to dehydrate a substrate..


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8046130 - 02/20/08 04:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

OMG its fine.. stop worrying about it..


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Slimz]
    #8046193 - 02/20/08 06:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Are you sure? I've only ever used WBS as a substrate but the mycelium colonized a lot differently to that - faster, stronger, and it consolidated growth without ever sending out branches.

I won't touch it unless somebody really convincing comes up with a master solution, but if it shows the same growth rate 20 days down the track [making it a month] then I'm going to know I've done something hugely wrong.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8046368 - 02/20/08 08:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ya, I'd watch it for bit longer before worrying that much


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: MuShQuEsT]
    #8046383 - 02/20/08 08:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

what happen to poo and straw as a substrate? its cheap and you can buy like a 50lb bag for 5 dollars and normally the straw is free if you can find it layin around a straw trailer...

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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8046396 - 02/20/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

coir alone does not give off terribly high yields, mix in some coffee grounds with it and it's just as good as straw/hpoo


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8046425 - 02/20/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It might be too wet OR dry. I'm not sure how anyone can tell the moisture content simply by looking at that pic. That stringy type of mycelium is a GOOD thing. That means the myc is growing rhyzomorphic (aggressive). 8 days is a long time after spawning to see such a small amount of growth with rhyzos like that though, so it is likely a moisture problem and/or you need more gas exchange. I would take a bit of uncolonized coir out and squeeze it to see if you get any water dripping out of it. If not, give the whole thing a good misting. If you squeeze and it's dripping like crazy, put the cover on loosely and create more gas exchange holes to let some of that moisture out.

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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: HybridprX]
    #8047025 - 02/20/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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coir alone does not give off terribly high yields, mix in some coffee grounds with it and it's just as good as straw/hpoo




Straw/poo is the hands down winner for monster shrooms, it can't be beat.
I don't know when coir became a substrate, because it contains only minute nutrients, being high in Sodium and Potassium, it is very low in Nitrogen. It is Coconut husks, the outer shell of the coconut seed that is shredded, it has very little nutrient values as compared to Poo/Straw. Using it as a substrate isn't really a good idea IMO & IME. Using it as a substrate your adding water not nutrients-Coir holds about 10 times its size/weight in water-just like verm. Why do you think people add it to their substrate of straw, poo, or grains? To add moisture not nutrients.

Coir dust is very similar to peat in appearance. It is light to dark brown in color and consists primarily of particles in the size range 0.2-2.0 mm (75-90%). Unlike sphagnum peat, there are no sticks or other extraneous matter.
Independent analyses of coir dust were performed in May and June 1991 at Auburn University, University of Arkansas, and A&L Analytical Laboratories (Memphis, TN).
G. C. Cresswell (1992) looked at coir dust in comparison to sedge and sphagnum peat products and concluded that it has superior structural stability, water absorption ability and drainage, and cation exchange capacity compared to either sphagnum peat or sedge peat.
Coir dust tends to be high in both sodium and potassium, compared to the other peats, but Na is leached readily from the material under irrigation. The high levels of potassium present in coir dust are interesting, and may actually prove more a benefit than any detriment to plant growth. Coir dust from sources other than Sri Lanka have also reportedly contained chlorides at levels toxic to many plants, thus it is very important that salinity in the raw material be monitored before processing into a horticultural amendment. It is evident, that chemical properties of this material can vary widely from source to source.
The higher pH of coir dust may allow less lime to be added to a coir dust-based medium, though adding dolomite to container soils is more important for Ca and Mg nutrition than for elevating pH. Cresswell did find that a small amount of nitrogen drawdown (N kept from availability to plants during decomposition of organic amendments low in nitrogen) occurred with coir dust, but typical production fertilization practices would likely compensate for the small amount of resulting N loss. At present, it is unclear how else fertilization regimes may need to be adjusted, if at all, in media composed chiefly of coir dust.

I use it for casing material only (and I get huge yields, check some of my posts) unless I add it the substrate to add moisture, but, that's just how I do it, some will argue differently

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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: doc34]
    #8047042 - 02/20/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have not read through this post at all so forgive my ignorance on this subject. I also do not cultivate cubes so this is the main reason why I havent followed up on coir although I have my concerns.
I remember back in the day when b+ was said to be a cube/azure hybrid. People were all jazzed up about it because they were spawning it to wood chips and they though they were getting great yeilds.
Come to find out they were not getting great yeilds. They were only getting what was expected with the amount of spawn that they used.

Is this the case with coir? Is this stuff really adding nutrients that cubes can digest? Of is it just giving a bigger surface area/deeper sub depth which is producing a very good first flush but not more then to be expected from the amount of spawn used?


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: tahoe]
    #8047052 - 02/20/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Of is it just giving a bigger surface area/deeper sub depth which is producing a very good first flush but not more then to be expected from the amount of spawn used?






Bingo, along with more water = IMO & IME:cool:

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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: doc34]
    #8047123 - 02/20/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

pretty good for not reading the post or any other coir threads, huh?
If it is too good to be true it probably is.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: tahoe]
    #8047219 - 02/20/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so for people spawning to coir it would be wiser to use a spawn ratio of say 1:1 for larger/more flushes?

I know it's probably not worth it but for some people hauling horse poo and straw into their house isn't much of an option.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: doc34]
    #8047386 - 02/20/08 01:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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coir alone does not give off terribly high yields, mix in some coffee grounds with it and it's just as good as straw/hpoo




Straw/poo is the hands down winner for monster shrooms, it can't be beat.
I don't know when coir became a substrate, because it contains only minute nutrients, being high in Sodium and Potassium, it is very low in Nitrogen. It is Coconut husks, the outer shell of the coconut seed that is shredded, it has very little nutrient values as compared to Poo/Straw. Using it as a substrate isn't really a good idea IMO & IME. Using it as a substrate your adding water not nutrients-Coir holds about 10 times its size/weight in water-just like verm. Why do you think people add it to their substrate of straw, poo, or grains? To add moisture not nutrients.

Coir dust is very similar to peat in appearance. It is light to dark brown in color and consists primarily of particles in the size range 0.2-2.0 mm (75-90%). Unlike sphagnum peat, there are no sticks or other extraneous matter.
Independent analyses of coir dust were performed in May and June 1991 at Auburn University, University of Arkansas, and A&L Analytical Laboratories (Memphis, TN).
G. C. Cresswell (1992) looked at coir dust in comparison to sedge and sphagnum peat products and concluded that it has superior structural stability, water absorption ability and drainage, and cation exchange capacity compared to either sphagnum peat or sedge peat.
Coir dust tends to be high in both sodium and potassium, compared to the other peats, but Na is leached readily from the material under irrigation. The high levels of potassium present in coir dust are interesting, and may actually prove more a benefit than any detriment to plant growth. Coir dust from sources other than Sri Lanka have also reportedly contained chlorides at levels toxic to many plants, thus it is very important that salinity in the raw material be monitored before processing into a horticultural amendment. It is evident, that chemical properties of this material can vary widely from source to source.
The higher pH of coir dust may allow less lime to be added to a coir dust-based medium, though adding dolomite to container soils is more important for Ca and Mg nutrition than for elevating pH. Cresswell did find that a small amount of nitrogen drawdown (N kept from availability to plants during decomposition of organic amendments low in nitrogen) occurred with coir dust, but typical production fertilization practices would likely compensate for the small amount of resulting N loss. At present, it is unclear how else fertilization regimes may need to be adjusted, if at all, in media composed chiefly of coir dust.

I use it for casing material only (and I get huge yields, check some of my posts) unless I add it the substrate to add moisture, but, that's just how I do it, some will argue differently

Doc




thank you.... that was making me go a little crazy... some of the newbs are so off track... it think there to afraid to pasturize poo in there house.. when all and all it doesn't stink or anything smells like brownies me thinks


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: axis_tech]
    #8047503 - 02/20/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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so for people spawning to coir it would be wiser to use a spawn ratio of say 1:1 for larger/more flushes?

I know it's probably not worth it but for some people hauling horse poo and straw into their house isn't much of an option.



Like I said, I do not have any experience with coir but from what I have seen the flushes are not huge compared to the amount of spawn used. If someone knows differnt for sure then??

Substrate depth and size plays a huge role in yeilds.
It would be nice to know the amount of brf/wbs used and the total weight of the yeild to figure out effiecent the whole set up it.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: tahoe]
    #8047537 - 02/20/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am doing a coir coffee right now and i know that adds the missing nitrogen. But I used only 2 Qt spawn to 14 Qt sub and cased with jiffy mix. I can post my result on first flush in a couple days. Oh and it is MS Malabar to WBS.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: tahoe]
    #8047563 - 02/20/08 02:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm in the process of moving and stopped growing awhile ago but if no one else tries it before i get settled in i will get an isolate and mix different spawn ratio's to coir and see what i come up with. if anyone knows of an experiment like this all ready lemme know plz.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: doc34]
    #8048249 - 02/20/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not sure about that Doc. I've used coir with low spawn:coir ratios and still achieved magnificent yields. I know coir is high in lignin and cellulose, which is ideal for woodlovers, but cubes seem to tear it up just the same. You can grow cubes off of low nutrition cardboard and newspaper, so why not coconut husks?


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: FooMan]
    #8050804 - 02/21/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not sure about that Doc. I've used coir with low spawn:coir ratios and still achieved magnificent yields. I know coir is high in lignin and cellulose, which is ideal for woodlovers, but cubes seem to tear it up just the same. You can grow cubes off of low nutrition cardboard and newspaper, so why not coconut husks?




Your water content was what got your yields so high-along with what nutrients were present in your substrate and the surface area of your casing, but water is the main factor. Mushrooms are 90 % water and they have to get that water from some where right(That's why they fruit after it rains)? Right, so, when you add coir, verm, shit, straw to your spawn, you are not only adding food but you are adding alot of water to support the flush and allow for it to be huge. Not to mention the high humidity and the misting that will be done to add even more water.
Your mycelia has to have a foundation to fruit from and coir gives it just that. Your cubes have to have a sustainable surface to fruit from or they won't fruit(or fruit well).
Coir resembles horse shit in texture, aeration and water holding capacity(actually more so than shit), mycelia love it because it can consume it very fast due to its texture and aeration(why don't you compact the substrate in PF style jars?-Because the mycelia has a hard time colonizing it when it is compacted). Compact your coir and watch how slow it takes it to colonize it. Adding more coir than spawn isn't a good idea because all the mycelia is doing is trying to get to the surface to fruit


Look, when you use Coir it creates a perfect environment for the mycelia. As long as you can keep it at the appropriate temperature the coir itself provides the humidity and the mycelia just loves it and it flies through it due to its aeration and humidity-you supplied the temps. Mycelia needs co2 to grow and underneath the surface is co2 in the coir(aeration)-that is why the mycelia rips through it. And as far as it goes about it ripping through the coir, that has alot to do with the strain used also,but the reason for the fast colonization of the coir is still from the aeration(co2 build-up) and texture(fluffy strands like straw) of the coir itself.
This is my own personal opinion about Coir from my own tests and comparisons. Coir is better suited as a casing material than a substrate, but, it can be used as both, a casing layer material or as a filler to add moisture and aerate the substrate. Either way it adds aeration(co2 and room to grow) and water to your casing.

My two pennies:cool:

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P.S.  I don't want to start another "COIR-Substrate or Casing material" arguement. People do different thiings and thats how this hobby grows=experiment, experiment = try new things. I am just one of those people that believes that if something isn't broken don't try to fix it and if it works, use it!:cool::thumbup::stoned:


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: tahoe]
    #8051246 - 02/21/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Is this the case with coir? Is this stuff really adding nutrients that cubes can digest? Of is it just giving a bigger surface area/deeper sub depth which is producing a very good first flush but not more then to be expected from the amount of spawn used?




A simple experiment could confirm this either way. Perhaps a single grain transfer to a sterilized jar of coir to see if it is indeed colonized. Perhaps I will try a tray of coir with only a couple grains on top to see if they eat their way through the whole thing.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: doc34]
    #8051384 - 02/21/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

im getting good results substituting coir for straw in hpoo and adding coffee and verm .. 40hpoo/25coir/25verm/10cofee ratio .. am also using the course grade of coir though .. not the fine grainy stuff ..


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8051464 - 02/21/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I may not be an expert such as doc and tahoe however I do use coir myself with good result only because i live in Northern Canada and hpoo is not available. The reason i chose coir was because i read and read and read. Now anybody who is still starting posts like this does not read I personally take alot of RR advice because to me he is one of the best on the boards and seems to know something about everything. I cant say he is better then doc or tahoe that i dont know but to me he is one of the best now to just search his name with Coir as a substrate i see the same argument everytime pages upon pages how coir is a suitable substrate does well as hpoo, does perform better with a nitrogen boost such as coffee grounds, worm castings..... and so on so to quote RR.

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So far, every mushroom species I've attempted to grow on coir except shiitake has done quite well. I generally add the coffee grinds from that mornings coffee pot to the coir. I've grown oysters, cubes, reishi, pan stipticus, hericium, and a few others on it. Coir actually works well for both wood lovers and dung and straw lovers. This is based on several years of tests.

That's why starting back in 2003 I suggested here that people try it as a substrate rather than as a casing which is all it was being used for at that time. That was pure heresy and I took a lot of shit for saying it, but since that time many growers have produced nice fat crops of high potent cubes, as well as other species on coir alone as a substrate.
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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: TobesCanaian]
    #8052267 - 02/21/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nothing.
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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: TobesCanaian]
    #8052277 - 02/21/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i think your coir is an alternate source. the poo compost or straw would be ur primary source. sometimes its hard to understand other peoples techniques...but to each his own.. once i saw a poo/straw flush i never went back to anything else ... it was just so much more and the shrooms were anywhere from 6 to 10 inches tall and just massive flushes... way more than i could handle

every time i see these coffee post its like a forign language... i think that its good as far as recycling and shit.... but neccessary or bigger.. better than what we were already doing... no in my opinion.... also i think newbs should learn the basics first then experiment with mycology....


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: coAsTal]
    #8052292 - 02/21/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well ...ill shut my mouth nice flush


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8052300 - 02/21/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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im getting good results substituting coir for straw in hpoo and adding coffee and verm ..




You have Horse poo & coffee & verm = Food & Speed(:tongue:) & Water
and you get big shrooms:grin:


The food was there before you added the coir.

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Nothing.
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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: doc34]
    #8052489 - 02/21/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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P.S.  I don't want to start another "COIR-Substrate or Casing material" arguement. People do different thiings and thats how this hobby grows=experiment, experiment = try new things. I am just one of those people that believes that if something isn't broken don't try to fix it and if it works, use it!:cool::thumbup::stoned:




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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8052535 - 02/21/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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every time i see these coffee post its like a forign language... i think that its good as far as recycling and shit.... but neccessary or bigger.. better than what we were already doing... no in my opinion.... also i think newbs should learn the basics first then experiment with mycology....




I don't think most people who use coir do so because they're against using poo/straw. It's just that many of them don't have access to poo or straw, especially people in urban areas, so substituting for coir is a no-brainer.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: FooMan]
    #8052699 - 02/21/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think most people who use coir do so because they're against using poo/straw. It's just that many of them don't have access to poo or straw, especially people in urban areas, so substituting for coir is a no-brainer.







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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8054894 - 02/22/08 12:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i think your coir is an alternate source. the poo compost or straw would be ur primary source. sometimes its hard to understand other peoples techniques...but to each his own.. once i saw a poo/straw flush i never went back to anything else ... it was just so much more and the shrooms were anywhere from 6 to 10 inches tall and just massive flushes... way more than i could handle

every time i see these coffee post its like a forign language... i think that its good as far as recycling and shit.... but neccessary or bigger.. better than what we were already doing... no in my opinion.... also i think newbs should learn the basics first then experiment with mycology....




lmao i get those size shrooms on my cakes .. wait for the tub pix .. then we shall see how this noob gets down .. 3 days till then .. get ur goggles ready


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: RoYaL_fLuSh]
    #8055465 - 02/22/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

goggles on!!!:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8056035 - 02/22/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yup, the only reason im using coir right now is because my stockpile of horse manure is frozen solid.

but look at this thread. this is oatman spawing straight to coir with NO additives whatsoever
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5909750/page/0/fpart/2/vc/1


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: blood4blood]
    #8056054 - 02/22/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i think you guys are infecting me... im gonna try it:stoned:


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #8056505 - 02/22/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone who thinks that coir isn't a suitable substrate should see the links in my sig. It's good supplemented with coffee, and even better supplemented with 5% store-bought composted chicken manure. People have gotten better results than I have as well.

I have had decent luck with it just by itself uncased, but I recommend supplementing it with a nitrogen source and casing with 50/50+ for best results.

Coir should colonize by itself just fine. It might not produce wondrous yields, but if it's not colonizing, it's not the coir's fault. Improper hydration (coir being overly wet) is my first thought.

COIR IS NOT AN OPTIMAL SUBSTRATE. But it can produce flushes that are good enough. One grow with 12 quarts total spawn/sub gave me more than I could consume in 9 months, and I usually trip twice a week.
(EDIT: And I should mention, I gave away 3 oz. of it.)


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: doc34]
    #8056956 - 02/22/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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im getting good results substituting coir for straw in hpoo and adding coffee and verm ..




You have Horse poo & coffee & verm = Food & Speed(:tongue:) & Water
and you get big shrooms:grin:


The food was there before you added the coir.

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Nothing.
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Coir.





What was your spawn composed of?




Plain 'ol wbs.

You people over-think things too much.

You don't need to build a Ferrari to go to the store when you live next door... walk-- keep it simple.

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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: coAsTal]
    #8056973 - 02/22/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Coir rules!!!! no additives just coir




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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: Sillicybin]
    #8059021 - 02/23/08 01:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Anyone who thinks that coir isn't a suitable substrate should see the links in my sig. It's good supplemented with coffee, and even better supplemented with 5% store-bought composted chicken manure. People have gotten better results than I have as well.

I have had decent luck with it just by itself uncased, but I recommend supplementing it with a nitrogen source and casing with 50/50+ for best results.

Coir should colonize by itself just fine. It might not produce wondrous yields, but if it's not colonizing, it's not the coir's fault. Improper hydration (coir being overly wet) is my first thought.

COIR IS NOT AN OPTIMAL SUBSTRATE. But it can produce flushes that are good enough. One grow with 12 quarts total spawn/sub gave me more than I could consume in 9 months, and I usually trip twice a week.
(EDIT: And I should mention, I gave away 3 oz. of it.)




I suspect mine is either too wet or too dry, considering how slow and rhizomorphic the growth is. Any way to dry it out if it turns out to be too wet?


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8059085 - 02/23/08 01:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Lots of fresh air will help dry it out some. "Slow" and "rhyzomorphic" don't usually go together.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: FooMan]
    #8059094 - 02/23/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Look at the picture posted on the first page. That's the progress in a small tub after a fortnight or so.


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Re: Straight coco coir - inferior substrate? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #8059104 - 02/23/08 01:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Did you try my suggestion from the 2nd page of the thread?


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