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lsd degradation
    #8041003 - 02/18/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What would the expected potency loss of LSD blotters be after one week in the following conditions? Two weeks? A month? Six? Assume little to no light exposure unless noted otherwise.

Room temperature, exposed (on a desk all day or something):
Room temperature, not airtight:
Room temperature, ziplock bag:
Fridge, not airtight:
Fridge, ziplock bag:
Freezer, not airtight:
Freezer, ziplock bag:

Also, would a canning jar preserve potency significantly better than a ziplock bag?


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: daft crunk]
    #8041015 - 02/18/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

just keep it in a cool dark place.


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: usg543]
    #8041045 - 02/18/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i take a pretty scientific/mathematical approach to things, "just keep it in a cool dark place" isn't quite enough information for me

i could just buy a sheet and test all these out and make a pretty chart, but that's sort of a last and very time consuming resort

anyone have any information from personal experience? how long can it safely be left at room temperature?


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: daft crunk]
    #8041104 - 02/19/08 12:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I really doubt someone with the tools to measure the loss of potency in any meaningful quantitative way has done experiment under your seven hypothetical environmental conditions.

If you want to do the experiments, get back to us.

Otherwise STFU and just keep your acid in a cool dark place.


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8041286 - 02/19/08 12:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hey bro don't be so mean...

yeah cool dark dry, in an airtight container preferably with no air or inert gas, if you got a vacuum sealer that'd be perfect.

safely at room temp in foil in a ziplock, i'd probably guess a month or so before any real degradation... just a guess though..


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: daft crunk]
    #8041483 - 02/19/08 02:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

All you really need is to seal it up in some foil, put it in a ziplock bag, and place in freezer.

If you want to get real hardcore with it, sure you could use some kind of airtight device but it wouldn't make much of a difference. foil, baggie, and freezer will make it last many many years, and then some.


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8041620 - 02/19/08 04:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Entropymancer said:
I really doubt someone with the tools to measure the loss of potency in any meaningful quantitative way has done experiment under your seven hypothetical environmental conditions.

If you want to do the experiments, get back to us.

Otherwise STFU and just keep your acid in a cool dark place.



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Re: lsd degradation [Re: Dioxyde]
    #8042166 - 02/19/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry I was harsh, but really, it takes some pretty spendy equipment to measure the degradation of LSD under various conditions in any meaningful way

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daft crunk said:
i could just buy a sheet and test all these out and make a pretty chart, but that's sort of a last and very time consuming resort




I mean really, what's that chart going to look like?

After 24 hours in the following conditions:
Room temperature, not airtight: tripped balls
Room temperature, ziplock bag: tripped balls
Fridge, not airtight: tripped balls
Fridge, ziplock bag: tripped balls
Freezer, not airtight: tripped balls
Freezer, ziplock bag: tripped balls
Room temperature, exposed (on a desk all day or something): Kinda tripped balls, ate an extra tab for good measure


What good is that going to do? In order to get meaningful results, you're going to need to have a way to qualitatively establish how much LSD in in your dose with fairly high accuracy, then take probably at least 5 data points at different intervals from introducing the acid to the conditions you're interested in. You're also going to need to lay the acid yourself so you know you have a quantitatively identical dose for each hit.

If you do have all that equipment, then you could use your collected data to establish the LSD half-life under a variety of conditions. Although you're also going to need a hygrometer to measure the moisture in the air, that's a relevent experimental control.


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8043057 - 02/19/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

LSD is a lot more stable than this forum seems to incinuate. I used to be worried about touching it when I was a kid, but after you go through a few ten-lots you don't even worry about keeping it in foil or even a plastic bag. I've spilt beer on sheets and they were pretty much the same after drying out.

Same with mushrooms and heat on this forum, people here talk about the heat breaking down the actives. It may be true with extracted crystal, but inside the cells of the mushroom it is not the case. If you make tea without boiling the fuck out of them for at least 10 minutes until they sink when removed from heat, it is a waste, unless you eat the rubbery crap too.

If the drug had that short of a shelf life it would be sold differently than it is, or have experation dates. The people that make the acid and grow the mushrooms want you to get the most out of it.


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: daft crunk]
    #8077521 - 02/27/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

As per my understanding, lysergic acid diethylamide is rare, exotic and inherently unstable compound (hence the red an yellow lights required during synthesis. Understand that this compound just does not exist in nature because the synthesis is just to prone to 'degradation', as with the final product.

As far as I know degradation will occur in increasing levels in this order: Heat, light, water, oxygen then shock.

Although I am not a LSD guru, the following is what I would assume would happen under the following circumstances:

Kept as a liquid in a fairly air tight container in your pocket: The whole vile will be 50% as potent after a week.

Room temperature, exposed (on a desk all day or something): It will probably reduce in potency by 50% in a week.

Room temperature, not airtight: If its the same as above but no light, it will probably reduce by 50% WITHIN 2 weeks.

Room temperature, ziplock bag: Assuming a dark place, probably a month will result in 50% loss.

Fridge, not airtight: Assuming the fridge is never open so it is never exposed to light or external air, several months to a several years.

Fridge, Ziplock bag: Assuming the fridge is never open so it is never exposed to light or external air, several years to indefinitely.

Freezer, not airtight: I hear from respected sources that freezing LSD is worse than refrigerating but better than room temp.

Freezer, ziplock bag: I hear from respected sources that freezing LSD is worse than refrigerating but better than room temp.


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: burningbunny]
    #8077532 - 02/27/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Freezer, not airtight: I hear from respected sources that freezing LSD is worse than refrigerating but better than room temp.

Freezer, ziplock bag: I hear from respected sources that freezing LSD is worse than refrigerating but better than room temp.




Frozen, it can last pretty much forever. I don't see how that could be seen as worse than a fridge.


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Re: lsd degradation [Re: burningbunny]
    #8077672 - 02/27/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

burningbunny said:
Understand that this compound just does not exist in nature because the synthesis is just to prone to 'degradation', as with the final product.




The rest of your post was good information-wise, but I really doubt that this is true; inside a photosynthesizing plant, degradation will be less of an issue (as chlorophylls snag a lot of photons, especially in the visible range). Add to that the fact that a plant making LSD would have an enzyme to do so, so the destruction of LSD would drive the enzyme to make more (mass action, Le'Chattlier's principle), and I don't see any reason why a plant couldn't make at least trace amounts of LSD. And trace amounts is all ya need.

Obviously all this is hypothetical; as far as we know, the compound doesn't exist in nature. But to assert that light and heat are the reason why is overstepping the bounds of ratoinality.


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