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Gr33nday43




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Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency *DELETED*
#8040120 - 02/18/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8043329 - 02/19/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The effects of wind on potency? Can't really see why it would affect the potency much, if at all. After all thats how it grows in the wild right?
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8043370 - 02/19/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Except for spider mite infection, I've found it easy to grow and clone Kratom these past three years, outdoors during the summer (Zone 7) and indoors during the winter, under fluoros, and with misting. You'll need to keep the humidity up to prevent the new leaves from being damaged when they unfurl, as they are glued together by some water-soluble substance when they come out of the stipules.
I'd go with a cutting if I were you, as they are very hard to dampen off when grown from seed. Also, the jury's still out over which of the strains with their different vein colors are more potent, or if they are even different strains. Some trees, including mine, show red and white veins. (Eg., don't let vendors talk you into paying more for a certain vein color.)
Also, Kratom trees can get fairly large. Something like 30 meters in the wilds of Thailand, and they could probably get as big in the U.S. if they could be planted outdoors. But since frost will kill them, you can only let them get as large as your house will accomodate. How big do you plan on making your growing chambers?
And what makes you think that Kratom potency is affected by wind?
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency *DELETED* [Re: Taharka]
#8043396 - 02/19/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8043401 - 02/19/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8044035 - 02/19/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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stale air isn't good for plants, neither is a hurricane... you're looking for a light breese that blows CO2 into the leaves and remove the CO2 from the soil.
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency *DELETED* [Re: brshroomer]
#8044061 - 02/19/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8044088 - 02/19/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this would certainly help the growth of any of your plants, specially if they're in stale environment right now, you'll notice the difference.
btw, that's one of the reasons they grow stuff in rows no just scattered, the rows make so the air can flow between the plants.
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency *DELETED* [Re: brshroomer]
#8044115 - 02/19/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Taharka
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8044128 - 02/19/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well; many people say that potent kratom can't be grown in a greenhouse because of lack of wind. "As stated, greenhouses seem to produce little results with Kratom. Even if the trees grow, the potency of the material is almost always low." Taken from a drugs forum.
Then it looks like you've got your answer. I've heard that greenhouse-grown Kratom is not as potent. But I never knew that it had anything to do with wind.
Then you have to ask yourself: do they mean just Kratom grown in greenhouses, or all commercially-grown Kratom, which would be grown in greenhouses. Since they're only endemic to tropical Thailand, it could be something else that they're missing.
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency *DELETED* [Re: Taharka]
#8044192 - 02/19/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8044257 - 02/19/08 07:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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not necessarily, mitraginyne(that's how's it spelled?) is an alkaloid right?
most plants produce higher alkaloid levels according to soil conditions, as stated by Primavesi, goes something like that: in the lack of certain micronutrients it has been observed that plants will produce higher alkaloid content due to the stress caused by the poor absortion rates.
i'm still researching that, but it basically says the correct way to induce alkaloid production is through the soil. how? complete adubation minus the needed micronutrient to create the the event.
that means: probably the soil in tayland, and that asks for research, research, research. it's not wind.
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency *DELETED* [Re: brshroomer]
#8044288 - 02/19/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8045070 - 02/19/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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just put it outside in full sun and water once a week. thats what i do and i have a nice 3'7" bush that produces a nice effect comparable to Speciosa Specialist's Bali. takes about 5 grams to feel pretty nice. i don't think your gonna get much better in the states without investing more than its worth.
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Re: Info Needed On the Effects of Wind on Kratom Potency [Re: Gr33nday43]
#8046165 - 02/20/08 05:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think anything but a few years of experiment will "put this to rest."
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