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ImperialCactus
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LSD vs. Research Chemicals
#8039729 - 02/18/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That thread about not getting much in the way of visuals on LSD had me thinking, and I figured this question was too off topic to post there. So, i'm wondering if there's anyone out there who enjoys a certain RC more than LSD, and can be sure of this.
Main reason why I ask is that i've taken LSD three different times now, and I have no reason to suspect that it wasn't real... but of course I can't be sure. Thing is, the first trip was amazing, very visual and what i'd expect LSD to be like. The second two were mostly just uncomfortable and weird.
Considering that the set and setting were pretty much the same, I can't believe how different the experiences were. Which makes me wonder, maybe it was some sort of RC that first or possibly second time? Or is it normal for LSD trips to feel very different sometimes?
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How long have your trips lasted?
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i cant say much cuz ive never doen an RC and dont plan on doing so. but every time i took lsd i had a blast...visuals dpend on the dosage. even on the high doses where i was completly obliterated i still had a good time. one time though i had "dirty" acid that just didnt feel right...back twists and uncomfortable body feeling...thats the only thing i can guess at what would change the aspect of your trips.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Achilles]
#8039766 - 02/18/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok man, I can't say much on this topic yet but I'll be getting a good amount of 2c-e pretty soon and I have heard really good things about it. Very nice visuals and a very deep experience is common. I will post some good information when I try my 2c-e.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: robbyberto]
#8039893 - 02/18/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, the first time it was around 7 hours or so I think. That was from two very small blotters of what I thought was weak LSD. Took around 1 1/2 hours to feel it, no weird taste or anything bad about it at all really and it really was everything I thought LSD would be. Completely enjoyable and one of the most fun drug experiences of my life.
The second two times were from blotter that was still small but seemed rather thick as far as paper goes. Anyways, two hits of that was probably a good 10 hours of uncomfortable physical sensations with swirling patterns during the peak, but that's about it. These hit me real fast too, within 30 minutes I knew it was going to get interesting real quick. One hit of that was pretty much the same just less intense. Also, the whole time it felt like I was right on the edge of it being too much, even when I knew it wasn't and was still with it.
So, i'm really not sure what to make of that... I don't have much reason to believe any of it wasn't LSD, but I certainly can't be sure either.
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It sounds like the last two times were RC's. Acid lasts about 8 hours unless your taking significant doses as in 10+ hits. RC's are obvious because they last a very long time; usually about 10+ hours. They also have very unusual characteristics like an intense body load or insane visuals on low doses. Unusually thick paper or big blotters generally means RC unless you have a BADASS hookup.
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I have noticed that LSD isn't very visual with out something to stimulate it. Mushrooms or Mj work REALLY well. I have heard mescaline is wonderful combo too, but have never tried it. One of my more profund trips was with 2.5 grams of mushrooms and 1 hit of good white blotter LSD.
LSD by itself gives me amazing mind trips, but to really experience the immersing visuals, I need something else to synergize with it.
Almost every amazing experience I have ever had on LSD has immediately followed me smoking some Mj.
LSD is a strange and different beast, no 2 trips are the same. If your blotter was small and tasteless, and made you trip, it wasn't a RC. Some trips just take a strange turn, just remember it all happens for some purpose. Buy the ticket, take the ride.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: d4a2n0k]
#8040016 - 02/18/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I once took something a friend said was acid but I believe it was an RC. Two clear little tabs and all I got was a clouded head and a an uncomfortable clenched jaw sensation.
By the way, what does RC stand for?
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: d4a2n0k]
#8040020 - 02/18/08 08:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You feel LSD longer than 8 hours, though the later part is much different than the initial 8 hours. I wouldn't say whether or not they were RCs, no one can tell you that without testing the chemical. Unless it lasts like 18 hours.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: fapjack]
#8040110 - 02/18/08 08:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I feel comfortable judging from his description of small tasteless blotters, it is most likely not a RC. As you said no one can be 100% but as far as I'm aware, LSD is the only tasteless micro-gram active dose psychedelic.
BTW, RC means research chemical.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: d4a2n0k]
#8040168 - 02/18/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think LSD is much deeper, and has more "classic" or unique feel than most RCs, but sometimes I wish I had some 2c-b for parties or weekends.
I was sold "acid" that was RC once and it was really different. The hallmarks of LSD for me are:
1. Everything has a shine to it 2. Movements and time happens in quick flashes 3. I feel kind of like floating above my body, similar to MDMA. Most the 2cs, DOXs and tryptamines have very different body feels. 4. Cool neon hues are emphasized, while the others are usually warmer colors. 5. Fairly inanimate and geometrical visuals. 6. Real LSD dissolves spacial and psychological boundaries more than any other chemical I have used. It always feels very spacious.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Divided_Sky]
#8040798 - 02/18/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have tripped on acid multiple times recently and through my research I would say acid lasts 8 to 12 hours. My acis was in a vial 3/4 water 1/4 acid. one vial=2 doses. had very visual to not very visual tripps.
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I just had some DOB over the weekend along with some good mushies. After the obvious effects of the mushrooms wore off, I felt the DOB full on and it was markedly different than acid or any other RC I've tried.
The DOB lasted only about 9 hrs, which is relatively short for it, but it was a very speedy mental trip with confusing and nonsensical CEV's. Patterns on the wall shifted and my popcorn ceiling started to morph into patterns, but other than that it wasn't immersing like LSD or Mushrooms, or even 2C's. No euphoria or enlightenment.
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ImperialCactus said: The second two times were from blotter that was still small but seemed rather thick as far as paper goes. Anyways, two hits of that was probably a good 10 hours of uncomfortable physical sensations with swirling patterns during the peak, but that's about it. These hit me real fast too, within 30 minutes I knew it was going to get interesting real quick. One hit of that was pretty much the same just less intense. Also, the whole time it felt like I was right on the edge of it being too much, even when I knew it wasn't and was still with it.
Very few psychedelics will hit you within 30 minutes. Most RCs take way longer before they hit, especially the ones that fit on blotter. LSD on the other hand can hit you within 30 minutes. It was probably acid. Some people blame "dirty acid" on contaminants from the synth, others think the "dirty" feeling is caused by set & setting.
I have had batches of acid that produced consistently cleaner trips than other batches, while I'm convinced all of them were acid. I've done a lot of acid and tried enough RCs to tell the difference. I have never had an RC that produced a trip that I could mistake for acid. DOC was the closest but the time it takes to come up alone is a give-away and the trip still isn't close enough to pass for acid when you know acid.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8041355 - 02/19/08 01:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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To me 2c-I is kinda like the halfway point between rolling and a 2c-e trip, a 2c-e trip is kind of like a disappointing acid trip, though still very fun. With 2c-e you can get strong visuals (20mg+), sound distortion and a pretty nice head trip, more of a "forgiving drug" then acid. In all honesty i've tripped 2c-e around 9 times, only done acid 3 but I do have to say that acid is just an all around better trip, if it wasn't so damn long sometimes.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8042293 - 02/19/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, all things considered what I took probably was LSD... but it still leaves me wondering if there are any RC's out there that people enjoy more than LSD. From what I can tell, that seems unlikely... but if I were able to find a certain one from a reliable source it would be nice to at least know what i'm taking for sure. Anyways, thanks for the replies so far... they have helped clear things up a bit for me.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8042310 - 02/19/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Very few psychedelics will hit you within 30 minutes.
Orally, yes. Rectal,IV, nasal, IM and smoked inhalation of psychedelics will always hit you in less than half an hour.
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I can't see how anyone could think LSD isn't very visual. I mean, I know it effects everyone differently, but last time I tripped I had giant rainbows covered in holy symbols bursting out of the floor all around me and shooting into the sky.
In my experience, RC's feel similar to acid but with a very dirty tinge to them, and lots of unpleasant physical effects. I haven't pursued RC's too much, though, and there are definitely some worthwhile ones, just nothing in my experience that can come close to LSD.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: robbyberto]
#8042350 - 02/19/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Very few psychedelics will hit you within 30 minutes.
Orally, yes. Rectal,IV, nasal, IM and smoked inhalation of psychedelics will always hit you in less than half an hour.
You're right. I didn't mention that because the op was talking about oral consumption.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: EllisDSox]
#8042367 - 02/19/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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EllisDSox said: I can't see how anyone could think LSD isn't very visual. I mean, I know it effects everyone differently, but last time I tripped I had giant rainbows covered in holy symbols bursting out of the floor all around me and shooting into the sky.
I don't get many visuals on any psychedelic including LSD. The best way for me to get visuals is by combining them. Acid with 2C-B for instance.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8042869 - 02/19/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anyone here think weed, especially good weed, brings out the visual aspects of LSD? It has from my experience anyway..
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: EllisDSox]
#8042916 - 02/19/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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EllisDSox said:In my experience, RC's feel similar to acid but with a very dirty tinge to them, and lots of unpleasant physical effects. I haven't pursued RC's too much, though, and there are definitely some worthwhile ones, just nothing in my experience that can come close to LSD.
Some feel somewhat similar to acid, some don't. Some are very much worthwhile in their own right, like 2C-B, DOC and DPT. DOM is supposed to be very good but I haven't tried it yet.
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The first time I took mushrooms - I was coming up 20 minutes after I dosed. I think that it depends on the person. I am always hit sooner then people around me. Maybe has something to do with metabolism?
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PsilocybinMike said: Anyone here think weed, especially good weed, brings out the visual aspects of LSD? It has from my experience anyway..
Yes it does, but weed just isn't my thing. It has been the cause of quite a few shroom and acid trips going the wrong way for me. Now I don't smoke weed when I trip and it makes a lot of difference. When I want to add something to a trip, I take nitrous, DMT, DPT or 5-MEO-DMT.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: sky]
#8042964 - 02/19/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The first time I took mushrooms - I was coming up 20 minutes after I dosed. I think that it depends on the person. I am always hit sooner then people around me. Maybe has something to do with metabolism?
Acid and shrooms are two of those few. Especially if you make shroom tea. And having an empty stomach makes a lot of difference.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8042969 - 02/19/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well I just got my 2c-e today. It ended up being 128mg worth.
4 Capped pills - 12mg a peice 4 Gel Tabs - 20mg a piece
Anyone have any advice for a first timer? I'm probably going to dose either this Friday or Saturday. I've done LSD a good few times so I think this questions has some relevance here. Anyway, some advice would be welcomed.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Jair]
#8042987 - 02/19/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jair said: Well I just got my 2c-e today. It ended up being 128mg worth.
4 Capped pills - 12mg a peice 4 Gel Tabs - 20mg a piece
Anyone have any advice for a first timer? I'm probably going to dose either this Friday or Saturday. I've done LSD a good few times so I think this questions has some relevance here. Anyway, some advice would be welcomed.
Start with a 12 mg dose. See how that works out for you. Smoke some weed on the trip. The step from 12 to 20 mg is quite large.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8043010 - 02/19/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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donvliet said: Start with a 12 mg dose. See how that works out for you. Smoke some weed on the trip. The step from 12 to 20 mg is quite large.
I've heard VERY mixed things on 2c-e. I wanted a very deep, enlightening, and hard to handle substance. I was referred to Mesc, DMT, and 2c-e. I am going to eventually try my hand at growing cacti and I can't find DMT so 2c-e was my first option.
Then not long ago I heard people saying it doesn't really do much at all and it ends up being a very forgiving, un-enlightening, LSD wannabe. This kinda upset me because I heard so many great things about 2c-e. So can someone please shed some light on this? What exactly should I expect?
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Jair]
#8043101 - 02/19/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
I have tried "acid" once. When I did it, I didn't really get visuals. I did at one point, there was slight patterning on the tiles, but that was only for a bout 2 minutes.
Also it was on two sweet tarts. I had a lot of very unpleasant body effects and it lasted 15 hours.
Do you think I took an RC? If so which one?
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Jair]
#8043128 - 02/19/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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donvliet said: Start with a 12 mg dose. See how that works out for you. Smoke some weed on the trip. The step from 12 to 20 mg is quite large.
I've heard VERY mixed things on 2c-e. I wanted a very deep, enlightening, and hard to handle substance. I was referred to Mesc, DMT, and 2c-e. I am going to eventually try my hand at growing cacti and I can't find DMT so 2c-e was my first option.
Then not long ago I heard people saying it doesn't really do much at all and it ends up being a very forgiving, un-enlightening, LSD wannabe. This kinda upset me because I heard so many great things about 2c-e. So can someone please shed some light on this? What exactly should I expect?
For most people it is a true psychedelic, but you shouldn't expect it to be like acid or shrooms. It can be deep, enlightening and has kicked peoples ass on occasion. Many think it's the best of the 2C class. But for a minority it doesn't turn out to be so great. This is just individual differences in response, just like some people preferring acid to shrooms and some the other way around.
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halfstepdown88 said: Hey guys,
I have tried "acid" once. When I did it, I didn't really get visuals. I did at one point, there was slight patterning on the tiles, but that was only for a bout 2 minutes.
Also it was on two sweet tarts. I had a lot of very unpleasant body effects and it lasted 15 hours.
Do you think I took an RC? If so which one?
It's hard to tell, but it might not have been acid. Especially if it took more than an hour to come up.
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One other thing I've noticed, after taking LSD smoking weed doesn't feel like weed anymore, it just makes me trip harder. I usually end up turning down offers to smoke just because I don't always feel like I can handle more. Now, smoking Salvia on the other hand was absolutely amazing. Even when I was just chilling there not really enjoying the feeling, as soon as the Salvia hit me everything changed and it was much more fun like the first trip I had. Definitely increased the visuals and my mood in general as well... was a great combination for me. Now I didn't exactly take huge hits, but a little 10x smoked normally was extremely nice.
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i think that it really depends what you're after. lsd has a lot more substance and infinitely more depth, but if you're after a nice fun little ride into nowhere special then RC's are good for that, just good ol' fashion F&L madness
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8044900 - 02/19/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have tried "acid" once. When I did it, I didn't really get visuals. I did at one point, there was slight patterning on the tiles, but that was only for a bout 2 minutes.
Also it was on two sweet tarts. I had a lot of very unpleasant body effects and it lasted 15 hours.
Do you think I took an RC? If so which one?
It's hard to tell, but it might not have been acid. Especially if it took more than an hour to come up.
It took at least an hour and a half, it could have even been 2 hours till I came up
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LSD is a reseach chemical.
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PsilocybinMike said: Anyone here think weed, especially good weed, brings out the visual aspects of LSD? It has from my experience anyway..
To be honest, I get some of my most intense visuals from marijuana. I tend to get stronger visuals from weed than from mushrooms or LSD. Marijuana is just very visual for me.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: indica]
#8045895 - 02/20/08 01:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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xk3m_indica said: i think that it really depends what you're after. lsd has a lot more substance and infinitely more depth, but if you're after a nice fun little ride into nowhere special then RC's are good for that, just good ol' fashion F&L madness
You can't make such general statements about such a large and varied group of substances. There are huge differences between them. Some RCs are just as powerful tools as shrooms, acid and mescaline.
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halfstepdown88 said: Hey guys,
I have tried "acid" once. When I did it, I didn't really get visuals. I did at one point, there was slight patterning on the tiles, but that was only for a bout 2 minutes.
Also it was on two sweet tarts. I had a lot of very unpleasant body effects and it lasted 15 hours.
Do you think I took an RC? If so which one?
It's hard to tell, but it might not have been acid. Especially if it took more than an hour to come up.
It took at least an hour and a half, it could have even been 2 hours till I came up
That's too long for acid. Probably a DOx class drug but there's no way to be sure if you can't get a lab test.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: HugaDeadHead]
#8045941 - 02/20/08 01:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HugaDeadHead said: LSD is a reseach chemical.
very true. The way the term RC is being used is misleading. In the end there's just a bunch of substances out there, some occurring in nature, some (semi)synthetic, that can serve as tools. Some of these are more interesting than others, but that's personal to a certain extent. LSD is definitely the most successful RC, but there are other very worthwhile less known chemicals.
It's like the old acid vs shrooms discussion. You might prefer one over the other, but both are awesome tools in their own right. Then you might discover mescaline and DMT and you'll start to understand that there's a whole array of different tools out there. You shouldn't judge them against each other, but in their own right. The so called RCs just add to that list of tools. It's nice to have more than just a hammer in your toolbox right?
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Feanor]
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PsilocybinMike said: Anyone here think weed, especially good weed, brings out the visual aspects of LSD? It has from my experience anyway..
To be honest, I get some of my most intense visuals from marijuana. I tend to get stronger visuals from weed than from mushrooms or LSD. Marijuana is just very visual for me.
I have never ever ever had any visuals on marijuana, and I've smoked supposedly some of the best. I've been stoned off my ass, too stoned, but never once a single visual....
Oh wait...there was that one time where I smoked a "mummy" (joint dipped in PCP) and got some out there visuals, but that's a horse of a different color.
I tend to be by far the most visual tripper of anyone I know personally, and I don't know many people who get visuals from marijuana, so this is quite hard to believe for me.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8046089 - 02/20/08 03:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well, i havent had much use of RCs tho im certain some of my "acid" has been for sure a type of DO(x) i certainly didnt buy any of that batch but it sure as hell was way to pricy to be real lsd. i have to still stand by each to their own cause i know alot of people that would prefer DOx or other RCs rather then LSD. I still gota say as well each can be used as a healing tool but what cant be used as a healing tool in some way.
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To the OP, one thing that works very well for me to potentiate visuals with the more classic psychedelics is dropping some MDMA in the mix, this ahs always given me a SHIT-TON of visuals more than I would be seeing had it just been acid or just mushrooms or just RC's. It also tends to give me much less of a headfuck and I can enjoy the onslaught of visuals without worrying about getting stuck or falling into a bad trip.
The visuals from candy-flipping in particular seem to be insane, and it usually takes less acid to get a much more visual effect for me than if I had taken it alone. The visuals also seem to be markedly different. More neon and carnival like, and they come much faster and more frequently.
If you have not tried it, I suggest you give it a shot.
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i would think the whole point of a Phen amphetamine that makes you trip, would be to make candy flipping unnecessary but maybe thats just me trying to put a reason to why that chemical exists and had to be unlocked, many years later then all the ones found in nature, kinda relating to my post not to long ago about the brain,chemicals,and social interaction and it all being relative to everything having meaning. that everything has meaning or nothing does and i would like to know where the fuck your standing if nothing has meaning. but anywho...
yeah
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PsilocybinMike said: Anyone here think weed, especially good weed, brings out the visual aspects of LSD? It has from my experience anyway..
To be honest, I get some of my most intense visuals from marijuana. I tend to get stronger visuals from weed than from mushrooms or LSD. Marijuana is just very visual for me.
I have never ever ever had any visuals on marijuana, and I've smoked supposedly some of the best. I've been stoned off my ass, too stoned, but never once a single visual....
Oh wait...there was that one time where I smoked a "mummy" (joint dipped in PCP) and got some out there visuals, but that's a horse of a different color.
I tend to be by far the most visual tripper of anyone I know personally, and I don't know many people who get visuals from marijuana, so this is quite hard to believe for me.
I have to say I've certainly get visual distortions when I smoke weed, but only when I smoke several joints, blunts or bowls over an entire day. By the end of the day, when I'm smoking that last doobie, it's dark and shit will start moving.
I always smoke weed after I've come up on any psychedelic. In my experience, weed mixes with anything. Except large amounts of alcohol. And some other things.. but as far as psychedelics, it's all good.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: thedudenj]
#8046171 - 02/20/08 05:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thedudenj said: i would think the whole point of a Phen amphetamine that makes you trip, would be to make candy flipping unnecessary but maybe thats just me trying to put a reason to why that chemical exists and had to be unlocked, many years later then all the ones found in nature, kinda relating to my post not to long ago about the brain,chemicals,and social interaction and it all being relative to everything having meaning. that everything has meaning or nothing does and i would like to know where the fuck your standing if nothing has meaning. but anywho...
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I don't know if there really is a point when Shulgin and others create these chemicals. They just take known phen and tryptamine psychedelics and alter their chemical formula to see what they will get. I don't think they are purposefully trying to create something to replace a candytrip or any objective like that. It's simply finding out what will happen when you create an analogue.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8046236 - 02/20/08 06:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ha ha who said shulgin did? im saying maybe true nature did and thats why its not found in the nature as in plants, and is found in the nature of wandering human minds or something of the such ^.^ cause the wandering human mind i think loves candy flipping. and well for some reason its part of life and for some damn reason thus too part of nature just some keys need to be found then things unlocked as in or other words "and others create these chemicals. They just take known phen and tryptamine psychedelics and alter their chemical formula to see what they will get" but they deffinatly were looking for psychoactive ones or really hated their job. cause i think they loved their job and being the first people to synth and do these things to later spread to all the other wandering minds. or something of that such if you get what i mean. if any thing there is human nature
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8046333 - 02/20/08 08:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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EllisDSox said: I can't see how anyone could think LSD isn't very visual. I mean, I know it effects everyone differently, but last time I tripped I had giant rainbows covered in holy symbols bursting out of the floor all around me and shooting into the sky.
I don't get many visuals on any psychedelic including LSD. The best way for me to get visuals is by combining them. Acid with 2C-B for instance.
Wow...I always thought LSD owned anyone who dropped it, which is what I thought in my case...when an hour passed after I did and I was already tripping harder than on 3.5g of shrooms I knew I was in trouble!!!
Your testimony is quite strange...I have a few diagnostic possibilities for your problem. Either:
A: you burnt out your 5-HT2A serotonin receptors. B: you drop waayyy too much acid and you burnt out your 5-HT2A receptors. C: you haven't experienced true LSD yet and that's a real shame because you haven't yet burnt out your 5-HT2A receptors... D: you take low doses of LSD
I think I speak for everyone when I suggest a 500+mcg dose and then report back...?? You shouldn't need to mix LSD with anything else...and if you do, you really need to stop tripping lol...
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EllisDSox said: I can't see how anyone could think LSD isn't very visual. I mean, I know it effects everyone differently, but last time I tripped I had giant rainbows covered in holy symbols bursting out of the floor all around me and shooting into the sky.
I don't get many visuals on any psychedelic including LSD. The best way for me to get visuals is by combining them. Acid with 2C-B for instance.
Wow...I always thought LSD owned anyone who dropped it, which is what I thought in my case...when an hour passed after I did and I was already tripping harder than on 3.5g of shrooms I knew I was in trouble!!!
Your testimony is quite strange...I have a few diagnostic possibilities for your problem. Either:
A: you burnt out your 5-HT2A serotonin receptors. B: you drop waayyy too much acid and you burnt out your 5-HT2A receptors. C: you haven't experienced true LSD yet and that's a real shame because you haven't yet burnt out your 5-HT2A receptors... D: you take low doses of LSD
I think I speak for everyone when I suggest a 500+mcg dose and then report back...?? You shouldn't need to mix LSD with anything else...and if you do, you really need to stop tripping lol...
I have tripped on nearly 20 different psychedelics in large and small doses over a period of 15 years. I just don't get that many visuals, even when tripping really hard. Just some breathing/waving and intensified colors on strong trips, that's about it. I have done high doses of acid and had total ego obliteration and very enlightening experiences but I don't get as many visuals as most people on the same drug (same batch). It's been like that from my first trip ever and I used to be disappointed about that. But I have accepted this a long time ago because for me it isn't the most important aspect of tripping anyways.
I don't need to mix acid with anything else. It's my favorite psychedelic and I enjoy it immensely on it's own. It can blow me away without combining with anything else, I just don't get that many visuals. But I like to combine psychedelics sometimes because you can create unique experiences that way and it allows me to tune the trip more to my wishes and get the bonus of more visuals with some combos.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8046676 - 02/20/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Wow...I always thought LSD owned anyone who dropped it, which is what I thought in my case...when an hour passed after I did and I was already tripping harder than on 3.5g of shrooms I knew I was in trouble!!!" lol yeah it can deffinatly do that here and there
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