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PsilocybinMike
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8042869 - 02/19/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anyone here think weed, especially good weed, brings out the visual aspects of LSD? It has from my experience anyway..
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donvliet
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: EllisDSox]
#8042916 - 02/19/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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EllisDSox said:In my experience, RC's feel similar to acid but with a very dirty tinge to them, and lots of unpleasant physical effects. I haven't pursued RC's too much, though, and there are definitely some worthwhile ones, just nothing in my experience that can come close to LSD.
Some feel somewhat similar to acid, some don't. Some are very much worthwhile in their own right, like 2C-B, DOC and DPT. DOM is supposed to be very good but I haven't tried it yet.
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sky
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Very few psychedelics will hit you within 30 minutes.
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The first time I took mushrooms - I was coming up 20 minutes after I dosed. I think that it depends on the person. I am always hit sooner then people around me. Maybe has something to do with metabolism?
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donvliet
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PsilocybinMike said: Anyone here think weed, especially good weed, brings out the visual aspects of LSD? It has from my experience anyway..
Yes it does, but weed just isn't my thing. It has been the cause of quite a few shroom and acid trips going the wrong way for me. Now I don't smoke weed when I trip and it makes a lot of difference. When I want to add something to a trip, I take nitrous, DMT, DPT or 5-MEO-DMT.
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donvliet
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: sky]
#8042964 - 02/19/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Very few psychedelics will hit you within 30 minutes.
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The first time I took mushrooms - I was coming up 20 minutes after I dosed. I think that it depends on the person. I am always hit sooner then people around me. Maybe has something to do with metabolism?
Acid and shrooms are two of those few. Especially if you make shroom tea. And having an empty stomach makes a lot of difference.
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Jair
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8042969 - 02/19/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well I just got my 2c-e today. It ended up being 128mg worth.
4 Capped pills - 12mg a peice 4 Gel Tabs - 20mg a piece
Anyone have any advice for a first timer? I'm probably going to dose either this Friday or Saturday. I've done LSD a good few times so I think this questions has some relevance here. Anyway, some advice would be welcomed.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Jair]
#8042987 - 02/19/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jair said: Well I just got my 2c-e today. It ended up being 128mg worth.
4 Capped pills - 12mg a peice 4 Gel Tabs - 20mg a piece
Anyone have any advice for a first timer? I'm probably going to dose either this Friday or Saturday. I've done LSD a good few times so I think this questions has some relevance here. Anyway, some advice would be welcomed.
Start with a 12 mg dose. See how that works out for you. Smoke some weed on the trip. The step from 12 to 20 mg is quite large.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8043010 - 02/19/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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donvliet said: Start with a 12 mg dose. See how that works out for you. Smoke some weed on the trip. The step from 12 to 20 mg is quite large.
I've heard VERY mixed things on 2c-e. I wanted a very deep, enlightening, and hard to handle substance. I was referred to Mesc, DMT, and 2c-e. I am going to eventually try my hand at growing cacti and I can't find DMT so 2c-e was my first option.
Then not long ago I heard people saying it doesn't really do much at all and it ends up being a very forgiving, un-enlightening, LSD wannabe. This kinda upset me because I heard so many great things about 2c-e. So can someone please shed some light on this? What exactly should I expect?
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Jair]
#8043101 - 02/19/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
I have tried "acid" once. When I did it, I didn't really get visuals. I did at one point, there was slight patterning on the tiles, but that was only for a bout 2 minutes.
Also it was on two sweet tarts. I had a lot of very unpleasant body effects and it lasted 15 hours.
Do you think I took an RC? If so which one?
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donvliet
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: Jair]
#8043128 - 02/19/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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donvliet said: Start with a 12 mg dose. See how that works out for you. Smoke some weed on the trip. The step from 12 to 20 mg is quite large.
I've heard VERY mixed things on 2c-e. I wanted a very deep, enlightening, and hard to handle substance. I was referred to Mesc, DMT, and 2c-e. I am going to eventually try my hand at growing cacti and I can't find DMT so 2c-e was my first option.
Then not long ago I heard people saying it doesn't really do much at all and it ends up being a very forgiving, un-enlightening, LSD wannabe. This kinda upset me because I heard so many great things about 2c-e. So can someone please shed some light on this? What exactly should I expect?
For most people it is a true psychedelic, but you shouldn't expect it to be like acid or shrooms. It can be deep, enlightening and has kicked peoples ass on occasion. Many think it's the best of the 2C class. But for a minority it doesn't turn out to be so great. This is just individual differences in response, just like some people preferring acid to shrooms and some the other way around.
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donvliet
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halfstepdown88 said: Hey guys,
I have tried "acid" once. When I did it, I didn't really get visuals. I did at one point, there was slight patterning on the tiles, but that was only for a bout 2 minutes.
Also it was on two sweet tarts. I had a lot of very unpleasant body effects and it lasted 15 hours.
Do you think I took an RC? If so which one?
It's hard to tell, but it might not have been acid. Especially if it took more than an hour to come up.
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One other thing I've noticed, after taking LSD smoking weed doesn't feel like weed anymore, it just makes me trip harder. I usually end up turning down offers to smoke just because I don't always feel like I can handle more. Now, smoking Salvia on the other hand was absolutely amazing. Even when I was just chilling there not really enjoying the feeling, as soon as the Salvia hit me everything changed and it was much more fun like the first trip I had. Definitely increased the visuals and my mood in general as well... was a great combination for me. Now I didn't exactly take huge hits, but a little 10x smoked normally was extremely nice.
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i think that it really depends what you're after. lsd has a lot more substance and infinitely more depth, but if you're after a nice fun little ride into nowhere special then RC's are good for that, just good ol' fashion F&L madness
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: donvliet]
#8044900 - 02/19/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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donvliet said:
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halfstepdown88 said: Hey guys,
I have tried "acid" once. When I did it, I didn't really get visuals. I did at one point, there was slight patterning on the tiles, but that was only for a bout 2 minutes.
Also it was on two sweet tarts. I had a lot of very unpleasant body effects and it lasted 15 hours.
Do you think I took an RC? If so which one?
It's hard to tell, but it might not have been acid. Especially if it took more than an hour to come up.
It took at least an hour and a half, it could have even been 2 hours till I came up
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HugaDeadHead
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LSD is a reseach chemical.
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: HugaDeadHead] 1
#8045129 - 02/19/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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PsilocybinMike said: Anyone here think weed, especially good weed, brings out the visual aspects of LSD? It has from my experience anyway..
To be honest, I get some of my most intense visuals from marijuana. I tend to get stronger visuals from weed than from mushrooms or LSD. Marijuana is just very visual for me.
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donvliet
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: indica]
#8045895 - 02/20/08 01:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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xk3m_indica said: i think that it really depends what you're after. lsd has a lot more substance and infinitely more depth, but if you're after a nice fun little ride into nowhere special then RC's are good for that, just good ol' fashion F&L madness
You can't make such general statements about such a large and varied group of substances. There are huge differences between them. Some RCs are just as powerful tools as shrooms, acid and mescaline.
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donvliet
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halfstepdown88 said: Hey guys,
I have tried "acid" once. When I did it, I didn't really get visuals. I did at one point, there was slight patterning on the tiles, but that was only for a bout 2 minutes.
Also it was on two sweet tarts. I had a lot of very unpleasant body effects and it lasted 15 hours.
Do you think I took an RC? If so which one?
It's hard to tell, but it might not have been acid. Especially if it took more than an hour to come up.
It took at least an hour and a half, it could have even been 2 hours till I came up
That's too long for acid. Probably a DOx class drug but there's no way to be sure if you can't get a lab test.
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donvliet
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Re: LSD vs. Research Chemicals [Re: HugaDeadHead]
#8045941 - 02/20/08 01:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HugaDeadHead said: LSD is a reseach chemical.
very true. The way the term RC is being used is misleading. In the end there's just a bunch of substances out there, some occurring in nature, some (semi)synthetic, that can serve as tools. Some of these are more interesting than others, but that's personal to a certain extent. LSD is definitely the most successful RC, but there are other very worthwhile less known chemicals.
It's like the old acid vs shrooms discussion. You might prefer one over the other, but both are awesome tools in their own right. Then you might discover mescaline and DMT and you'll start to understand that there's a whole array of different tools out there. You shouldn't judge them against each other, but in their own right. The so called RCs just add to that list of tools. It's nice to have more than just a hammer in your toolbox right?
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