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    #8039498 - 02/18/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! *DELETED* [Re: Gr33nday43]
    #8046208 - 02/20/08 06:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: Gr33nday43]
    #8048795 - 02/20/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm interested... I'm writing a message to Jim Bunning right now... :thumbup:


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #8048841 - 02/20/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i already stocked up ill pass at this futile fight


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: Coaster]
    #8049160 - 02/20/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

agreed, there's not much any of us can do to fight salvia being outlawed. i'd better stock up before california makes that shiet illegal.


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! *DELETED* [Re: doitagain]
    #8052859 - 02/21/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: Gr33nday43]
    #8053035 - 02/21/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Kentucky is such a religous state, my grandparebts live there and there are too many church going people for Salvia to stay legal....even if we do stop a few states from outlawing Salvia the big issue is how are we going to stop the goverment from federal outlaw of Salvia...i'd hate to see all extracts dissapear everywhere:sad:


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    #8064516 - 02/24/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: Gr33nday43]
    #8066021 - 02/24/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

im lucky at least, california it only making it illegal to give to minors...
THATS what they should do... not make criminals through the futile act of prohibition

best thing to do now for all you ppl in kentucky, is to get some cuttings


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8066936 - 02/24/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

From what it looks like, Salvia becoming illegal will more than likely only make it illegal to sell in stores or sell extracts. I expect it should still be legal to grow.

However, this is complete bullshit to make this illegal in the first place, especially when there is no reason to make this illegal. Anyone else remember the first article that came out in Illinois right after that kid killed himself? The spokeswoman for the DEA says in one paragraph that they don't know the effects of taking Salvia. Two paragraphs later, the same woman is saying that people shouldn't do it because its bad for you.

This isn't right...


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: doitagain]
    #8190234 - 03/25/08 03:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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agreed, there's not much any of us can do to fight salvia being outlawed. i'd better stock up before california makes that shiet illegal.




Yep, in California they had it on the books to completely ban Salvia but unlike most of the states with similar bills it came up against major opposition. So they made a compromise and just made it illegal for minors.

Unfortunately Kansas is next. I beleive they just went to vote on the senate bill in Kansas with NO OPPOSITION.

The way it usually get on the radar of these publicity hungry politicians is they see one of the many youtube videos many stupid kids make of themselves getting high on Salvia. Right away they think to themselves " What a way to get my name in the paper and look tough on drugs "
So they draft a bill and bring it to the senate. Then poof. Salvia is banned.

If these kids would stop making these videos and posting them on the internet. Salvia would be legal in all 50 states right now.


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: sturmer88]
    #8190293 - 03/25/08 04:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

At least its sort of being a scape goat for better things like ayahuasca and mescaline containing cacti. People are only interested in banning things that can be smoked or taken in a pill.


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: Moo456]
    #8190678 - 03/25/08 08:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So are there going to outlaw the whole family of Salvia plants.Since,they did with the cannabis family....


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: Brainiac]
    #8191204 - 03/25/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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So are there going to outlaw the whole family of Salvia plants.Since,they did with the cannabis family....




Only Salvia Divinorum contains the chemical Salvinorin A. The part of Salvia D. that gets you high. So they wouldn't outlaw the others. With Cannabis they all contain THC. Even Hemp has a very small amount of THC thats why they outlaw the whole family.


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Re: Stand Up Against Outlawing Salvia! [Re: sturmer88]
    #8192108 - 03/25/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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made a compromise




And do you realize why they made a compromise? Because just like in Maine, some good people got their heads out of their asses and went to their legislatures and participated in "Democracy" and spoke up for Salvia. No one in your state capitol gives a damn if Salvia is illegal or not. They need to look tough on drugs to get the soccer mom vote. It only takes one person to go there and make a valid case.

If you live in a state where Salvia legislation is being passed, it is your job to do some research and go there and do something about it. Don't just say "Well time to stock up" and think it's not your problem anymore. That is not the right attitude.

I know exactly why the psychedelic subculture is so disenfranchised. Because we sit on our asses all day smoking pot thinking and talking about change, but when it's time to actually do something we don't follow through. When my state moves to make Salvia illegal, expect to see me there.

Every state, usually at it's "State.gov" website, will have an online legislative bill tracking service. When your local news outlet reports that Congressman Soandso plans on passing a bill, look it up. Find out when hearings will be held, and find out how to go to them. Talk to headshop owners. Call poison control. Find out what kind of "problem," if any, Salvia is causing in your state. Go to Siebert's site and look up some good papers on all of the amazing Salvia research going on now. Be sure to include that great letter he wrote for Congress. And then, with a plan and a folder full of the fruits of your research, go to your state legislature on that date and do what needs to be done.

Salvia is not harmful, and the law needs to do no more than restrict it's sale to minors. That is the truth. The evidence is on our side. We need to *show* it to the politicians "on the record", at the legislature hearings. They don't know about it because they aren't looking for it. They don't want to see it. But you can make them.

These are the states working on bills right now:

Minnesota - House and Senate
Florida - HB 1363 - In Committee Now!
Indiana
Virginia
Kentucky <- Bill forthcoming, will update when it is published.


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