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Psy Baba
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Alcohol Mescaline extraction
#8038933 - 02/18/08 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first question: which legal species has the highest amount of mesc?
Secondly: could someone kindly point me in the direction of a good tek with specific details on extracting mescaline with alcohol.
Or if you have enough time, explain it to me. I would like to put the tar into gelcaps.
I have had tea twice, and I don't know if I could handle a third. Plus, I have never had enough to a visual level, (even off 18" of san pedro"
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soundtrance
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Psy Baba]
#8039251 - 02/18/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_guide/cacti_guide_trichoce.shtml
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4751368/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
those will prolly help you out dude.
im not sure which cactus has the most mescaline but ive read abunch of places that peruvian torch is stronger than san pedro.
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Edited by soundtrance (02/18/08 06:05 PM)
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Psy Baba
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: soundtrance]
#8040638 - 02/18/08 10:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you tons
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Psy Baba
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Psy Baba]
#8040677 - 02/18/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is the best method to turn a whole fresh cactus into powder?
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#8041481 - 02/19/08 02:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pynchon
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: deadatdusk]
#8041643 - 02/19/08 04:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tr. bridgesii (especially the monstrose forms) seem to be consistently more potent than pach/peru...
I'd like to hear more about bog-standard extractions too...esp. re methanol or acetone ?
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04281969
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Pynchon]
#8041738 - 02/19/08 06:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's another tek for extracting mescaline. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7875294#7875294 I would really recommend going for the most pure product you can produce. It's worth it, and you'll find out why when you try it. The full alkaloid mix of a rough alcohol extraction is good, no doubt. But, wow. Seriously, you need to try pure mescaline crystals. You hear about the other alkaloids flavoring the experience, but you will never actually know the difference until you try it.
But if I get the meaning of the original post, you want tar from an alcohol extraction. That's as easy as soaking powdered cactus in alcohol, straining, and evaporating the alcohol.
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Psy Baba]
#8041980 - 02/19/08 09:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've done sludge, crystals, and alcohol extract.
Sludge is my favorite BY FAR.
For alcohol extract, get Everclear (99% Drinking Alcohol) or 91% IPO alcohol.
Powderize cactus. Cover with twice the amount of alcohol, shake. Let sit for 24 hours shaking periodically. Filter, save liquid, repeat, until alcohol is clear.
IMPORTANT PART: Take all your extracted alcohol and evaporate about 1/4 of it off or so.
Strain it through a really good filter. Coffee filters work alright, but take a while and don't filter very well. Using a home-made pressurized micron filter works good! All you need is a bike pump, a plastic bottle, and a piece of vacuum bag.
(Such as this one http://forums.mycotopia.net/feasts-food-drink-tea-mushroom-dosing-magic-extracts/15225-cheap-effective-filter.html)
Evaporate + scrape up tar into silly-putty like mass.
If you don't filter well, you end up with some nasty gooey powder, and a lot of it.
I found a well-filtered alcohol extract, evaporated down to this tar, is MUCH MUCH better then a half-assed un-filtered version of the same technique.
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Edited by SDP (02/19/08 09:18 AM)
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Psy Baba]
#8041983 - 02/19/08 09:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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DuNeRaVeR said: What is the best method to turn a whole fresh cactus into powder?
First freeze it to break the cell walls, that way the cactus can't hold its water. Then put it in a dehydrator, dessicator, or somewhere dry in the sun (eastern OR that shouldn't be a problem).
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Entropymancer]
#8043251 - 02/19/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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im gona have to agree with the whole freezing thing, it prevents it from rotting when you dry in other words
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: SDP]
#8043605 - 02/19/08 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SDP said: I've done sludge, crystals, and alcohol extract.
Sludge is my favorite BY FAR.
whats the difference between sludge and a crude alcohol extract like this one?
isnt the extract easier to keep down, ive heard many people say that the sludge is disgusting... acquired taste i suppose
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SDP
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Quote:
Zinglons Acolyte said:
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SDP said: I've done sludge, crystals, and alcohol extract.
Sludge is my favorite BY FAR.
whats the difference between sludge and a crude alcohol extract like this one?
Isn't the extract easier to keep down, I've heard many people say that the sludge is disgusting... acquired taste i suppose
The extract my girl puked up everywhere.....
The sludge she kept down...
For me, the nausea was the same either way.
I tripped harder off the sludge, lower dose, same batch as the extract.
It was FUCKING disgusting.... but not too bad. Not as bad as Ayahuasca.
The sludge gave me such a great trip.... one of my best mescaline trips to date... I saw the sunset, all the clouds forming storms around the sun and all sorts of live atmospheric displays, as if watching a time lapse.
Why? I could go on about spirit, body, ingesting the sacrament, blah blah blah.
What it narrows down to is alkaloid content. I, personally, think the alkalodial and material makeup of the sludge brings on a better synergestic experience.
Mescaline HCL, purified to near-white, is amazing too, REALLY good visuals.... not as mindblowing as I would like though. REAL strong, don't get me wrong. Something... missing. I like to be knocked on my ass.
But I've had AMAZING visuals (like everything good about LSD and shrooms combined) off of eating the green flesh whole, and the sludge was close. Just gotta eat enough and keep it down (hows the status of your soul, eh?)
Something about consuming the plant material that just really hits my quintessential psychedelic spot.
-------------------- Teonanacatl, open up my eyes This sacrament, this prayer, beyond the world of lies Guide me clearly through that which I dont understand Give me strength to find the path Help me fight any demons as you flow through me wholely This is my prayer, that you protect me from evil, and bring me closer to peace And open up my eyes, so i can see things as you do Amen
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Psy Baba
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: SDP]
#8044857 - 02/19/08 09:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Will 91% iso work just as well?
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Psy Baba]
#8045046 - 02/19/08 09:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If 91% is all you can find, you may as well pick up some everclear instead. I live in western OR, and at least here, every Safeway I've ever checked has 99% iso, so I'd try to keep looking before giving up on 99% just yet.
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Psy Baba
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Entropymancer]
#8045454 - 02/19/08 11:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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We have a safeway, I'll have to check it.
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: Psy Baba]
#8046050 - 02/20/08 02:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/extract.htm sodium hydroxide is lye benzine can be gotten from a paint store 50% sulfuric acid 50% water is battery acid activated charcoal can be gotten from a pet store
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: arainbow]
#8046597 - 02/20/08 10:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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By "sludge" do you mean a simmered-down tea? If you want all of the alkaloids, you can get them from an extraction. You just don't purify your product to straight mescaline. Other than that, it's just plant fiber. Personally, I feel that the extras mess with the purity of the mescaline trip. Sure, time is stretched more, and it is a little more consistent feeling for 12 hours, but I like it better. It feels less "junky" or "dirty" to me. Your taste may vary, and you might like the extras. It's good to experience the difference, though.
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: 04281969]
#8048220 - 02/20/08 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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how does one go about making a sludge? is it just pedro in a blender with water and drink? cause that seems like a lot of volume to consume of something that doesnt taste that good
the simmered down tea sounds like a good idea
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Using just the green flesh is optimal but it takes a LONG time to separate this green flesh from the core, and to remove the waxy outer layer, but it's worth the time.
For sludge you SIMMER to HEAVY SIMMER your cactus for 8 hours or so; do not vigorously boil.
After 8 hours strain through a T-shirt.
Take resulting mess and slowly simmer\lightly boil down to a drinkable amount.
About 2-3oz per person is a good amount, a nice shot of cactus juice.
It's not so much sludge as it is syrup. It'll be a thick brownish syrup.
Don't cook it on high or heavily boiling though, at least not the entire time, else you risk caramelization and thats no good for anyone.
I've ruined a batch this way before. It turned into a big gooey mess (more so then usual)
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Psy Baba
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cook down to drinking level.
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: SDP]
#8048290 - 02/20/08 05:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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thats what i thought thanks
im going to be starting som bridgesii seeds really soon, so im studying up on best ways to use, i think ill like this better cause bridgesii has a closer profile to peyote than pachanoi or so ive heard, anyway, thanks for the info, itll be a lot easier than extracting
ill prolly skin it and remove it from the core, how exactly is it hard? if uve got a nice sharp knife it shouldnt give you any problems should it? or is the flesh a lot tougher than i figure
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I wish I could test these things myself so I could give actual first-hand data, but the best that I (or anybody else around here) can do is point you toward the emperical evidence discovered by scientists using approved scientific methods. What they have discovered is that bridgesii contains fewer alkaloids than most cacti, making it a relatively pure source of mescaline. On the other hand, peyote contains more alkaloids than most.
Bridgesii contains: mescaline, tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-4-dimethoxyphenethylamine.
Peyote contains: N-acetyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, alanine, anhalamine, anhalidine, anhalinine, anhalonidine (14% of the total alkaloids), anhalonine, anhalotine, 3,4-dihydroxy-5-methoxyphenethylamine, epinine, dopamine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, N-acetylanhalamine, N-acetylanhalonine, N-formylanhalamine, N-formylanhalinine, N-formylanhalonidine, N-formylanhalonine, N-formyl-O-methylanhalonidine, N-formyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, glycine (8% of the total alkaloids), hordenine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (1 to 5% of the total alkaloids), isoanhalamine, isoanhalonidine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N-methylphenethylamine, isoanhalidine, isopellotine, lophophorine (5% of the total alkaloids), 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N,N-dimethoxyphenethylamine, lophorine, lophotine iodide, mescaline (30% of the total alkaloids), mescaline citrimide, mescaline malaimide, mescaline maleimide, mescaline succinimide, isocitrimide lactone mescaline , N-acetylmescaline, N-formylmescaline, N-methylmescaline, mescalotam, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-methoxy-N-methyltyramine, 3-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltyramine, O-methylanhalonidine, O-methylpeyoxylic acid, O-methylpeyoruvic acid, N-methyltyramine, pellotine (17% of the total alkaloids), peyoglunal, peyoglutam, peyonine, peyophorine, peyouvic acid, peyotine iodide, peyoxylic acid, tyramine
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_guide/cacti_guide_lophopho.shtml
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Re: Alcohol Mescaline extraction [Re: 04281969]
#8048434 - 02/20/08 06:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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remember tho half that crap is in active tho you could specualate since shulgin didnt really touch much on this, that maybe when multipule in active ones are combined they could produce an effect. kinda like how the Gov has apporoved chemicals to be filtered out the water yet dont filter out ones that when combined become harmful watched a special on it, on some learning channel
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