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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8042756 - 02/19/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Okay. I just tense when people say everything is the parents' fault.


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: mushbaby]
    #8042819 - 02/19/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well I understand and I didn't mean to offend is any way. :shrug:
But the reality is that in most cases a kid has issues because of the way he's raised.


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8045134 - 02/19/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

your crap know it all comments offended me

16 is a kid?
give me a fucking break

like i said,id have beaten the fuck out of him and told everyone who knows him to keep their kids away from it

spare a thought for the criminal and not the victim is your motto huh?

jesus christ

you know whats really fucked about being a parent?

we have to trust others like you regarding our children without a choice in the matter,we cant watch them 24/7 and when mine are away from me its nothing but worries and id dread the thought that if something like that happened to my kid and you were in charge of making the decision to tell me about it,you wouldnt.




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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8045494 - 02/19/08 11:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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alphabeatu said:
your crap know it all comments offended me




Boohoo. :hissyfit:

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16 is a kid?
give me a fucking break




Age 19 is legal adulthood. 16 is considered juvenile by the legal system. I bet you $100 that if you talked to a lawyer or a social worker that they'd tell you the same thing.

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like i said,id have beaten the fuck out of him and told everyone who knows him to keep their kids away from it




Wow. So you have the wisdom to play judge, jury and executioner? Poor kid doesn't stand a chance. He doesnt even have the right to the benefit of the doubt and the chance to tell his side of the story before punishment? The "evidence" against him doesn't shed a damn bit of light onto his motivations. There are at least a few possible alternative explanations other than pedophilia.

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spare a thought for the criminal and not the victim is your motto huh?




Nice straw man fallacy, dude. :rolleyes:

We don't even know if this kid is even a "criminal" yet, we simply don't have all the pertinent evidence necessary to accept such a conclusion. Until all the evidence comes to light, it is innappropriate to cast final judgement. This is how the judicial system (is supposed to) work. You know, "innocent until proven guilty"??

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jesus christ

you know whats really fucked about being a parent?

we have to trust others like you regarding our children without a choice in the matter,we cant watch them 24/7 and when mine are away from me its nothing but worries and id dread the thought that if something like that happened to my kid and you were in charge of making the decision to tell me about it,you wouldnt.




Without a choice in the matter? No choice at all? You don't think you can weigh your options and ask the person you deem most trustworthy to care for your child? I am willing to grant that, yes, there isn't always as wide a range of choice as one might like, but there certainly is a choice in most circumstances.

I sincerely doubt that if MT or anyone with similar views were watching your kid and witnessed a situation like this one, that she'd neglect to tell you about it. The parent has the right to know and to reconsider thier childcare options. But do they have the right to make final judgement, without all the pertinent evidence, as to the intentions of the offending party? No.

Is beating the shit out of a kid and essentially driving him completely out of his community by spreading unsubstantiated gossip likely to help us arrive at any true understanding of what happened and why? NO. So reign in your irrational goddamn impulses and gather all the pertinent evidence before blowing what may (or may not) have been a careless and regretable mistake out of proportion. If it turns out that this kid really is a pedophile after a fair and judicious evaluation of the evidence, well, then there's another whole debate to be had on the best way to deal with that. Right now we just don't have the information necessary to jump to that half of the discussion.


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8045888 - 02/20/08 01:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if you think i read all that after 'boohoo' you can go fuck yourself :laugh::

what i said stands in my world and yes damn fucking straight id be judge jury and executioner.

just think,i'd even probably kill you if you did it and i caught you red handed
isnt the world cruel huh:smirk:

would you believe the baby or the pedophile?

no need to answer wank it was rhetorical


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8045987 - 02/20/08 01:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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would you believe the baby or the pedophile?





This is called the fallacy of false dichotomy. You're assuming it's a matter of one or the other, and that there are no other possibilities in between or outside of the choices you've laid out. It's entirely possible to 'believe' both, but neither can be believed until they are asked for thier stories in the first place.

Did the "baby" say that the older kid did anything to him? Maybe if he did we'd have more to work with, but there'd still be more evidence to gather. Has anyone asked either of the kids what happened from thier point of view, or is all of this based on the testimony of the sister who walked in on the situation and smashed the computer? Shit's complicated. Even the father of the young child realizes that it might have just been a dumb, lazy thing to do and not the horrible evil you're assuming it to have been. He might have been hiding behind his laptop, out of the view of the kid. Maybe, maybe not. :shrug: Either way it's a dumb thing to do, but the consequences for being dumb and lazy ought to be lesser than the consequences for consciously and intentionally sexually harassing a kid. Excessive punishment for a moronic slip up has the potential to heavily damage a kid that may not have even done what he's being punished for. 


Evidence people, evidence.


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #8046007 - 02/20/08 01:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

um the women walked in and caught him pulling his dick with a child present

thats all the evidence id need


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8046008 - 02/20/08 01:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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alphabeatu said:
if you think i read all that after 'boohoo' you can go fuck yourself :laugh::

what i said stands in my world and yes damn fucking straight id be judge jury and executioner.

just think,i'd even probably kill you if you did it and i caught you red handed
isnt the world cruel huh:smirk:

would you believe the baby or the pedophile?

no need to answer wank it was rhetorical





Take posts like these to OTD, this is a forum where people need real advice, not non sense :smirk:


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8046013 - 02/20/08 01:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

follow your own pretentious advice and piss off to otd
my advice isnt soft cock 'lets make the offender the victim' rot like yours is

you wouldnt be able to banish me from your presence irl if we were to discuss this so why try to here?
im talking from my heart,your talking from your ass


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: Ungawdly]
    #8046057 - 02/20/08 02:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The sixteen year old kid may not be a pedophile, but he certainly doesn't understand permissible sexual behavior.

Most people who are sexually abused do not grow up to be abusers themselves, but there are a minority of people who do. I've personally talked to someone in a group therapy session that used his own experience of sexual abuse to justify sexually abusing his little sister. It is uncommon, but it happens.

Smacking him around isn't going to accomplish anything - except maybe make his behaviors even more deviant and/or destructive. Sit him down and clearly explain that it is not acceptable to masturbate when a child is present.

Oh... and I'd keep my nephew away from him at all costs.


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #8046069 - 02/20/08 03:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good post Mushman. :thumbup:


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8046093 - 02/20/08 03:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8046174 - 02/20/08 05:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

although their intentions are 'sweet' at that link its laughable in the eyes of a bad kid/rotten adolescent/juvenile delinquent
theyre talking about harmless bad behaviour like arguing,teasing others,stealing etc

not sexual deviances

lets face the real world here

ever seen a kid smirk after being sent to their room as punishment only to do the same thing a day later knowing all they will get is sent to their room or some toy taken off them?
what do you do then?
wait till they fester and explode on each other?

i wonder if any of those kids that have taken guns to school and killed all their fellow students had ever been punished with a smack?


why do people like you think we should raise children without punishment eg smacking when as soon as they grow up they are old enough to have the shit beat out of them by a cop with a baton and society says 'hey they deserved it,they must have done something bad if the cops resorted to violence'?



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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8046394 - 02/20/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So this kid, who probably never learned sexual conduct from anyone, is supposed to take a beating because he likely didn't know better?


Someone has to teach a person that something is wrong before you can say they made the mistake of doing it. Because if a person doesn't know its wrong, they will do it. If they know its wrong and they do it anyway, THATS WHEN YOU PUNISH HIM.

Don't ever beat or inflict pain on a child in order to discipline him. This will make them grow up into a violence solves things kind of person. Don't tell me I am wrong either, I have seen it happen to more then one person.



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why do people like you think we should raise children without punishment eg smacking when as soon as they grow up they are old enough to have the shit beat out of them by a cop with a baton and society says 'hey they deserved it,they must have done something bad if the cops resorted to violence'?




Cops will beat the shit out of anyone with extreme force given any opportunity to do so. They don't give a shit about you.

Maybe you should have gotten beaten alot by your parents growing up. Oh just like my friend Jason. He was whipped by his dad for anything. Guess what? Someone in that family no longer exists on this earth.


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8046821 - 02/20/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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not sexual deviances




Sexual deviations? Since when is masturbating a sexual deviation? Not to mention that what's sexually "normal" or "not normal" is culturally and socially decided, and it doesn't come in agreement with natural. But this is a matter that I am not going to start arguing about because it doesn't directly affect the case. What must be kept in mind, besides the obvious and proved fact that punishing doesn't work, is that in this case ESPECIALLY it won't.
Because what this 16 year old did was a natural impulse (yes, I refuse the idea that masturbating is artificial :lol:), even though it is not a socially encouraged act, especially in the presence of others.
If that kid gets punished for a natural impulse, he will never understand WHY. He will probably keep in mind not to do it anymore, but he will never understand why he doesn't have to do so. And without understanding we're fucked. That's how errors occur, that's how myths are born, superstitions, delusion. Reasoning and being able to reason are one of finest assets and if we don't use that we're just standing against any kind of progress.
Now, getting back to THIS specific case, it is somehow possible that he might never do that again, but life, numerous psychological researches and tests have shown that there are more chances that he will do it again, only that this time he will learn how to hide better, or even become aggressive. Aggression triggers aggression.
Also he will develop a feeling of guilt which will fight his impulses so he will live in a state of psychological conflict.
Need I go on?

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why do people like you think we should raise children without punishment eg smacve the shit beat out of them by a cop with a baton and society says 'hey they deserved it,they must have done something bad if the cops resorted to violence'?




So basically you're saying that there's no reason is beating up a kid just because there are chances that they might be beaten up by cops eventually? :lol:
This just doesn't make any sense, it is a far fetched assumption and it is also a logical fallacy.
It is like saying why not kill yourself when you will die anyways some day?


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8057233 - 02/22/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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why do people like you think we should raise children without punishment eg smacking when as soon as they grow up they are old enough to have the shit beat out of them by a cop with a baton and society says 'hey they deserved it,they must have done something bad if the cops resorted to violence'?




this is one of the dumbest things I've ever read

you're conflating society with "people like you" without any demonstrated reason to

you seem to presume what you assert, without demonstrating, to be society's belief is correct without reason

you make no argument related to your thesis at all



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and your being mean :sad:


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: johnm214]
    #8059805 - 02/23/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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this is one of the dumbest things I've ever read





really?
heres some of your friends little illiteracies to ponder over then...


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Well I understand and I didn't mean to offend is any way.

Take posts like these to OTD, this is a forum where people need real advice, not non sense

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why do people like you think we should raise children without punishment eg smacve the shit beat out of them by a cop with a baton and society says 'hey they deserved it,they must have done something bad if the cops resorted to violence'?

So basically you're saying that there's no reason is beating up a kid just because there are chances that they might be beaten up by cops eventually?

I am sorry, but this is remains the basic implication of the word,

So dividing and rebuking ALWAYS exclude comprehension?

Why should need for food or shelter be ok and the ideological need for supremacy should not?

Yes, numerous situations makes it highly required.

I like what you said and couldn't agree with you more.

Well what you earlier said.

Also, like I earlier said

I don't think so, the smiley list seems to not have been updated in quite a while.

I have never heard of a cured allergy case. BUT some allergies might be dangerous and get more severe in time,

I am happy that you're getting over. Life's too beautiful to be wasted on things like these.

WHY are you friend with him?

Maybe he grew up and realized how immature he was. Case in which the past shouldn't matter.

Then maybe it is good to stop the contacts with this dude.
But if you get along well now it's all that matters...


We're pretty comic little fuckers

If the parents have enough mind, they will KNOW hot to REASON with their children.






'smacve the shit beat out of them'
:lol:

atleast i dont try to sound smart and fail as miserably as that :lol:


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8059927 - 02/23/08 11:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Using a language can be improved, but you're stuck with ignorance for a life time. :smirk:


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8060054 - 02/23/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

d-o-n-'-t
c-o-u-n-t
o-n
i-t

youre taking a hell of a long time to improve,those were from your last two pages of illiteracy

ignorance is bliss:smirk:


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Re: Is my nephew staying with a pedophile? [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8060070 - 02/23/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see how typos factor in to an argument being less of an argument, or have anything to do with being unintelligent.


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