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Peatmoss/vermiculite cake.
    #8038303 - 02/18/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well i had extra casting material left over, so I spawned a little bit of mycelium in this 1/pint har and it's been sittin in the fruiting camber forever and i went to toss it out today and i noticed it had to pins inside the jar so i flipped it out of the jar into the fruiting chamber just like a BRF cake. How well do you think it will yeild, im thinking it's not going to fruit well b/c of the substrate.

I will put up pics when the pins grow a bit more.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8038329 - 02/18/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It probably will not yield much if any, there is no nutrients in that substrate to support the myc.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: spieone]
    #8038361 - 02/18/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It probably will not yield much if any, there is no nutrients in that substrate to support the myc.




It already has 2 fairly large pins,and the casting mix was made out of peat moss,vermiculite,and crushed oyster shell. Nutrients is not what i was worrying about, it's the structure of the cake it's self.

I ran into a green contam in my castings.Im just trying to get enough yeild form that cake to spore print and keep the cycle going.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: spieone]
    #8038377 - 02/18/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It probably will not yield much if any, there is no nutrients in that substrate to support the myc.




casings are not supposed to hold nutrients if any .... i mean it can but you'd better be on top of your game and know wtf's going on...It doesn't need nutrients for it to support a flush otherwise it'll just consolidate as a cake again...READ..READ..READ!


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8038449 - 02/18/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, but this is not a casing as he is using it here, he said he used the casing mix as a substrate (at least that is how I read it), seems there would be very little nutrients for the myc to use to send up any fruits.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: spieone]
    #8038477 - 02/18/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

please flame me...


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8038480 - 02/18/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

am i correct in understanding that you made a cake out of peat moss and verm? and you're asking how much it will yield? i think it would be safe to say.... ummm... several pounds at least.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: shroober]
    #8038512 - 02/18/08 03:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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am i correct in understanding that you made a cake out of peat moss and verm? and you're asking how much it will yield? i think it would be safe to say.... ummm... several pounds at least.


dumbfounded, did you even read the post? READ READ READ! :tongue:




yea i should clear that up a bit.

Ok i had made two castings, they both got a green contam on the top layer of the casting, i coverd it up sprayed the top with 91% ISO and took it outside, sliced a piece of healthy mycelium and casted it in a 1/2 pint jar incubated it and got good mycelium poking through so i patched it up and put it in the FC after a week and not seeing anything i went to toss it out today and noticed it had to healthy looking pins at the bottom of the jar so i dumped the mix  in my fruting chamber and it held together like a BRF cake.

I know it's odd im just scavaging for anything i can fruit to get prints.

I will post pics soon to clear it up a bit more.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8038551 - 02/18/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)





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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8038573 - 02/18/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Expect contaminants...Green doesn't just vanish
and that shit is fucking hilarious...I hope you fail :laugh:


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8038587 - 02/18/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Expect contaminants...Green doesn't just vanish
and that shit is fucking hilarious...I hope you fail :laugh:




Oh nice thanks,I obviously didnt fail i have pins. keep in mind im just trying to get a print not expecting to recieve enough for even a dose,the mycelium used to spawn was at the very bottom of the casting, and i only had green contam on the top of the castings where i patched. But as i am a first timer at cultivation ill take your advice on the contam spreading and will isolate that experiment cake into a different fruting chamber than my other BFR cake that have not pinned yet.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8038631 - 02/18/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

That'll get contammed soon too...my god your temp is at 80...green mold here we come


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8038687 - 02/18/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That'll get contammed soon too...my god your temp is at 80...green mold here we come




Thanks again.(just a hint of sarcasim)

The green contam is the least of my worries right now i have found where the source of the contam was and why it happened.

But seeing how it is a casting in a way sorta, i should probally drop the temp didnt think that one through.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8039075 - 02/18/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hahahahahha that thing is hideous. looks like mushrooms growing out of cat puke.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: LSDevin]
    #8039120 - 02/18/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

if you don't want green mold I'd see about reducing the temp to at least 75 if not 70.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: ScavengerType]
    #8041931 - 02/19/08 08:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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if you don't want green mold I'd see about reducing the temp to at least 75 if not 70.




I dropped it to 75

And i dont see how it looks bad i know it wont yeild much, it's just for a print so i can keep that strain.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8041974 - 02/19/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Good luck there bro, looks like you might at least get a print. Hope it works out for you.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: spieone]
    #8041992 - 02/19/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

next go around try not to use a paper plate like that one. i don't know about sitting cakes on perilite like that. i've been using about a 10% solution of h2o2 in the water for wetting things like perilite. hope you end up with a decent print man!


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8042023 - 02/19/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think you will get a shroom big enough to produce spores or print.

Experimenting usually ends up being a waste of time until you have a solid grasp on the basics.

If something turns green (or BRIGHT white, the pre-green phase) you have to KILL IT OMG GET IT THE FUCK OUT!!!!

I've tried fighting it with alcohol, vinegar, and hydrogen peroxide. It always comes back, it always takes over, and it always spreads faster then AIDs at a bathhouse in San Francisco.

Forget saving it, I spray it with bleach. Then with hydrogen peroxide. Then with alcohol. Then with vinegar. I keep the chamber it was in closed as much as possible.

Then I take wherever it is growing on, the whole substrate + casing, bag it, and throw it out FAR FAR away.

Then I take a shower and immediately wash my clothes in pine-sol (kills much more germies then normal soap, and its safe for clothes)

Then I bleach out the fruiting chamber.

Then I wipe it again with an alcohol\vinegar mix.

Man I hate that stuff.... :goatse:


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: zigzag]
    #8042024 - 02/19/08 09:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

there's nothing wrong with cakes on the perlite aslong as you don't have that evil shit known as MIRACLE GROW

MG perlite = CONTAMFEST

the plate seems pointless if you've just got perlite on it anyway lolz
i'm guessing you're doing that so your cakes don't get too soggy?

trich is a real pain in the ass
CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN

the first time i got trich, i thought nothing of it, then EVERYTHING got trich.
now i've seemed to eliminate trich from places where it can get into my projects

stay away from the kitchen!!
all jars, dishes, etc etc stored in the kitchen should be rubbed down with peroxide or bleach or w/e you prefer
cobweb also seems to get into all your kitchen things


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: zigzag]
    #8042025 - 02/19/08 09:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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next go around try not to use a paper plate like that one. i don't know about sitting cakes on perilite like that. i've been using about a 10% solution of h2o2 in the water for wetting things like perilite. hope you end up with a decent print man!




well i didnt know if the casting would stay in the jar shape i figured it would have crumbled thats what the plate was for. But ima have to just wait it out and hope for a good print.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8042051 - 02/19/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

People have buried cakes that were going bad outside and had them recover and do decent fruits.
I bet that pin is big enough to get a clone out of...why not start a liquid culture with it?
There is a neat needle biopsy LC tek in here somewhere.
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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: Peterthinks]
    #8042064 - 02/19/08 09:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I bet that pin is big enough to get a clone out of...why not start a liquid culture with it?
There is a neat needle biopsy LC tek in here somewhere.
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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8042077 - 02/19/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: zigzag]
    #8042093 - 02/19/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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creamcorns lc tek




ha i just got done reading that tek.

says in that tek you should wait till the veil tears before you clone.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8042105 - 02/19/08 09:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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says in that tek you should wait till the veil tears before you clone.




If you wait too long, spores will drop that can contaminate your LC.

If you only have a couple little pins, you can take a clone from either at any point.

One of the advantages to waiting is that if you have a BUNCH of shrooms to pick from you can wait till the end and clone the biggest most badass one in the bunch, otherwise, clones from pins work great too.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: SDP]
    #8042122 - 02/19/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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says in that tek you should wait till the veil tears before you clone.




If you wait too long, spores will drop that can contaminate your LC.

If you only have a couple little pins, you can take a clone from either at any point.




Cool thanks man i will do that tek

This whole time im stressing for a print,and didnt even think to clone.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8046285 - 02/20/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well they actually opened a kids science store in my town and ima head down there sooon to see if they would cary Potato dextrose agar, so i can clone.
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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8050750 - 02/21/08 07:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

well guys, i survived the contams,but i got very small frutis but i am happy with it anyways.



Im going to clone today. and take prints.

this was my first attempt at cultivation and i fruited something, i know alot more on what im doing now and feel that round 2 will be a bit better.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8050758 - 02/21/08 07:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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this was my first attempt at cultivation and i fruited something, i know alot more on what im doing now and feel that round 2 will be a bit better.




Hooray! :yourock:

You've popped your mycocherry now its time spread your legs to the world!


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: SDP]
    #8050780 - 02/21/08 08:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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this was my first attempt at cultivation and i fruited something, i know alot more on what im doing now and feel that round 2 will be a bit better.




Hooray! :yourock:

You've popped your mycocherry now its time spread your legs to the world!




haha and next time ima use better "protection" and toss out any contam,and not risk it like i did this time.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8050796 - 02/21/08 08:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

By the way, cloning your first grow makes you a SUPER high-powered n00b.

One step above the other noobidy noobs noobin it up on noobcakes.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: SDP]
    #8050812 - 02/21/08 08:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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By the way, cloning your first grow makes you a SUPER high-powered n00b.

One step above the other noobidy noobs noobin it up on noobcakes.




oh shit super N00B :uptosomething:,ah off to the store for supplies to clone.


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: SDP]
    #8101685 - 03/04/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think you will get a shroom big enough to produce spores or print.

Experimenting usually ends up being a waste of time until you have a solid grasp on the basics.

If something turns green (or BRIGHT white, the pre-green phase) you have to KILL IT OMG GET IT THE FUCK OUT!!!!

I've tried fighting it with alcohol, vinegar, and hydrogen peroxide. It always comes back, it always takes over, and it always spreads faster then AIDs at a bathhouse in San Francisco.

Forget saving it, I spray it with bleach. Then with hydrogen peroxide. Then with alcohol. Then with vinegar. I keep the chamber it was in closed as much as possible.

Then I take wherever it is growing on, the whole substrate + casing, bag it, and throw it out FAR FAR away.

Then I take a shower and immediately wash my clothes in pine-sol (kills much more germies then normal soap, and its safe for clothes)

Then I bleach out the fruiting chamber.

Then I wipe it again with an alcohol\vinegar mix.

Man I hate that stuff.... :goatse:






Yes, you are very right the green guy came back i really should have listened to what everyone was saying, i had 3 contam free cakes of other strains in the FC along with this contam  and shortyl after they got a nice green contam also,so i thank yall for the advise even though i didnt listen and got fucked by the green contam :hulk:


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Re: Peatmoss/vermiculite cake. [Re: smokdatkush]
    #8101783 - 03/04/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ya get what ya pay for.


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