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AlteredAgain
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Meditation for Fear of Emptiness
#8038172 - 02/18/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Make it a point every night before you go to sleep to close your eyes and for twenty minutes go into your emptiness.

Accept it, let it be there. Fear arises-- let that be there too.
Tremble with fear but don't reject this space that is being born there. Within two or three weeks you will be able to feel its beauty, you will be able to feel its benediction. Once you have touched that benediction, fear will disappear on its own accord.
You are not to fight with it. Sit kneeling on the floor or in a comfortable position for you. If your head starts bending forward-- it will-- allow it. You will almost go into a womb posture, just as the child remains in the mother's womb. Your head will start touching your knees, or touching the floor-- just allow it. Enter into your own womb and just be there. No technique, no mantra, no effort-- just be there. Just be acquainted with what it is.
It is something that you have never known. Your mind is apprehensive because it is coming from a very different and unknown dimension, the mind cannot cope with it. It has never known anything like that before, so it's simply puzzled, it wants to categorize and label it.
But the known is the mind and the unknown is God.
The unknown never becomes part of the known. Once it becomes part of the known, it is no more the unknown God. The unknown remains unknowable. Even when you have known it, it remains unknown. The mystery is never solved, the mystery is intrinsically unsolvable.
So every night go into that space. Fear will be there, trembling will be there; that too is okay. By and by the fear will be less and less and rejoicing will come more and more. Within three weeks one day suddenly you will see such blessings arising, such an upsurge of energy, such a joyous quality to your being, as if the night is over and the sun has come on the horizon.
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8038216 - 02/18/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's funny that one of our greatest fears is that we are not any of the self-limiting concepts we believe we are: we are not our past actions, or our hopes, fears, and expectations of the future; not our memories; not our reactions; not our names, not our ethnicities or religions or hobbies, likes or dislikes. We just kind of... are. Wide open.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: Lion]
#8038256 - 02/18/08 02:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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it s funny you wrote this. For like two weeks I have been doing something very similar but I wasnt sure what I was even trying to accomplish. I hope I find this place of emptiness.
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: Lion]
#8038261 - 02/18/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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interesting, good read
i think meditation should be taught in schools, with no ties to religion .
Im going to think about this tonight. I mainly use meditation to collect my thoughts, solve any problems i might be facing, or just to get closer to my own mind and body.
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: Lion]
#8038264 - 02/18/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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In every sense of the word. Another interesting example of the illusion of boundaries is how one atom never touches another atom. The surfaces never meet. Push as hard as you want; you cannot make two electrons come into contact. And the electrons never touch the nucleus. So the only thing actually 'in contact' is the electromagnetic force between the electrons, and there is always space between them!
We are literally, wide open, floating in a vast sea of emptiness. 
What a joy!
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8038317 - 02/18/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i try and meditate every night. I've found that whenever i start to get really deep into it though i always get an itch and i am snapped out of it by the desire to scratch it. Is this me subconsciously being afraid of drifting into this emptiness or what.
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: mycould]
#8038323 - 02/18/08 02:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't know. It could be the mind creating distractions...but whatever the cause of its arisal, it's best to just sit with the sensation of wanting to scratch it: just observe the feeling of the itch and the accompanying thoughts, but don't be them.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: Lion]
#8038360 - 02/18/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah occassionally i can fight past the urge to scratch and continue. Its very nice its almost like a brain massage
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: mycould]
#8038406 - 02/18/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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fight means that there is an urge.
remember, there is no urge, not even an itch.
allow it to happen and emptiness will be.
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8038613 - 02/18/08 03:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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do you feel meditation is a key component to finding out who you are?
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: mycould]
#8039080 - 02/18/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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More like finding out who you aren't...
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: mycould]
#8039200 - 02/18/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Correct. Self-discovery is about stripping away illusions, little about adding anything new, and more about revealing what has been there all along. Dis cover y.
I know that I don't know who I am. This is the paradox of who I am.
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: AlteredAgain]
#8041209 - 02/19/08 12:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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well said and i relate completely its kind of like ridding myself of this persona ive created
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: mycould]
#8041680 - 02/19/08 05:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Every night i lie there and just let everything be, that is when enlightenment comes and i feel pure bliss, just letting everything be as it is, realising this is all we have to do, just accept everything as it is and release our own right intention speech/acts leaving them to manifest.
We have so much control over our lives, yet clining to this control, stands in the way of control.
STANDING IN THE WAY OF CONTROL!!!!
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: Chronic7]
#8041986 - 02/19/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said: Every night i lie there and just let everything be, that is when enlightenment comes and i feel pure bliss, just letting everything be as it is, realising this is all we have to do, just accept everything as it is and release our own right intention speech/acts leaving them to manifest.
We have so much control over our lives, yet clining to this control, stands in the way of control.
STANDING IN THE WAY OF CONTROL!!!!
(sorry)
you have reached enlightenment?
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: Kombat Frank]
#8042011 - 02/19/08 09:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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does this surprise you?
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: mycould]
#8043106 - 02/19/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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nighttime meditation is great, but greatly enhanced with a nice half hour session of morning meditation insantly upon waking.
the thought process is less active in the morning when it hasn't had all day to solidify into the mind. catch it when it's least active, and carry it within the palm of awareness thoughtout the day with greater ease. have a spacey centered day all! 

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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: deranger]
#8048960 - 02/20/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is really interesting
the key to contentment is letting illusion go, such as fear and expectations and the like
peace all
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: Kombat Frank]
#8059394 - 02/23/08 06:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kombat Frank said:
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Chronic777 said: Every night i lie there and just let everything be, that is when enlightenment comes and i feel pure bliss, just letting everything be as it is, realising this is all we have to do, just accept everything as it is and release our own right intention speech/acts leaving them to manifest.
We have so much control over our lives, yet clining to this control, stands in the way of control.
STANDING IN THE WAY OF CONTROL!!!!
(sorry)
you have reached enlightenment?
Not permanently no, lol, i wish, everyone is already enlightened you just have to realise it and live it.
You can still feel it when you let go, its more just being aware of everything thats around, im not too fond of the enlightenment word, its more awakening to the true nature of everything.
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: Chronic7]
#8062078 - 02/23/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great post AlteredAgain, seriously!
Let me say that, this is very good advice for going into a DMT trip. Perfect advice actually, I'm impressed!
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: AlteredAgain]
#11136371 - 09/27/09 09:54 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I am thinking about emptiness now. I personally had a really self-destructive sex addiction for YEARS, and although I dont believe in the Christian hell and all that that dont mean there doesn't exist hellish experience, and there was many times i felt possessed and even had an OBE which was like a Divination warning me...!!
I am surprised in this discussion of yesteryear, how noone has mentioned psychedelic experience regarding so-called emptiness..!
I mean, in my experience, in an ordinary state when i meditate I may remember painful things, have anxiety about the future....desires, and so on. BUT when having had psychedelics all of this feeling assumes form, and you are in it, and IT!! So you are living this.
As much as I respect meditation (i used to be kind of anti meditation, because I didn't like Buddhists anti psychedelic postures, and superior attitudes which put me off 'meditation', but this unpretentious youtube video really turned me onto it and now i do my form of just sitting when i get up and before bed) I think it comes AFTER entheogenic experience--ie., that entheogenic experience is the original spiritual experience. And that we truly explore what 'emptiness' means in respecful sacred psychedelic rituals, and then meditation is of course practised as part of integration
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: zzripz]
#11138378 - 09/27/09 05:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is an interesting post!
For years I have been " able " to bring myself to what I dub an " absolute realization that I will die someday " and when I do so, I get panic attacks ranging from light to very intense, depending on how long I indulge into this state of mind.
Now, I suspect that is what you mean when you talk of " emptiness ". I might be wrong, but to me it resonates that way because what I fear about death is, indeed, emptiness, the loss of consciousness.
I wondered before if getting myself into that state of mind on a regular basis and face my fear instead of opting for a diversion when it accidentally happens could somehow lead to something if I practiced .
But I don't because I am afraid it might cause me to create a psychological unbalance. I am not kidding about this fear but I do appreciate the way you explained that the mind is scared of what it cannot envision. Nothing scares me the way emptiness does...
So, do you think I should regularly face this fear? Is it safe to practice that kind of meditation? Can I do it and get to the other side of it unscathed?
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: solstice]
#11139424 - 09/27/09 08:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would suggest your own authority when it comes to that. Words come hard to emphasize this, but the emptiness is yours truly, death and its inevitability each one of us must face all by ourselves.
The scary thing about it being of course that we don't know what lies beyond that point, because nobody has ever reported back and told us what awaits us. There is not a clue, just a blank stare.
Losing one's mind is also highly stigmatized in our world, so questions will be concerning about reaching for these states. But I believe as long as you come out of the experience with a feeling of being more alive, there is going to be a value found in the meditation. You really just have to dive in and see for yourself.
Trust yourself, noone knows you better than yourself.
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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: solstice]
#11142686 - 09/28/09 10:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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solstice said: This is an interesting post!
For years I have been " able " to bring myself to what I dub an " absolute realization that I will die someday " and when I do so, I get panic attacks ranging from light to very intense, depending on how long I indulge into this state of mind.
Now, I suspect that is what you mean when you talk of " emptiness ". I might be wrong, but to me it resonates that way because what I fear about death is, indeed, emptiness, the loss of consciousness.
I wondered before if getting myself into that state of mind on a regular basis and face my fear instead of opting for a diversion when it accidentally happens could somehow lead to something if I practiced .
But I don't because I am afraid it might cause me to create a psychological unbalance. I am not kidding about this fear but I do appreciate the way you explained that the mind is scared of what it cannot envision. Nothing scares me the way emptiness does...
So, do you think I should regularly face this fear? Is it safe to practice that kind of meditation? Can I do it and get to the other side of it unscathed?
For me the thought of death doesn't worry me as much as the thought of dying--if painful. I would choose an injection to end it. I dont like suffering if it can be avoided, I've done a fukin nuff
THE best explanation of the mystery of death I have read is from Alan Watts. I had this beautiful slim book where images of nature were illustrating his musings about death. He begins something like "Imagine going to sleep and never waking up again. You wouldn't even know you had been asleep. Just found this beautiful video: Alan Watts: Death
let me know what you think?
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