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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #11136371 - 09/27/09 09:54 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I am thinking about emptiness now.
I personally had a really self-destructive sex addiction for YEARS, and although I dont believe in the Christian hell and all that that dont mean there doesn't exist hellish experience, and there was many times i felt possessed and even had an OBE which was like a Divination warning me...!!

I am surprised in this discussion of yesteryear, how noone has mentioned psychedelic experience regarding so-called emptiness..!

I mean, in my experience, in an ordinary state when i meditate I may remember painful things, have anxiety about the future....desires, and so on. BUT when having had psychedelics all of this feeling assumes form, and you are in it, and IT!! So you are living this.

As much as I respect meditation (i used to be kind of anti meditation, because I didn't like Buddhists anti psychedelic postures, and superior attitudes which put me off 'meditation', but this unpretentious youtube video really turned me onto it and now i do my form of just sitting when i get up and before bed) I think it comes AFTER entheogenic experience--ie., that entheogenic experience is the original spiritual experience. And that we truly explore what 'emptiness' means in respecful sacred psychedelic rituals, and then meditation is of course practised as part of integration


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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: zzripz]
    #11138378 - 09/27/09 05:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This is an interesting post!

For years I have been " able " to bring myself to what I dub an " absolute realization that I will die someday " and when I do so, I get panic attacks ranging from light to very intense, depending on how long I indulge into this state of mind.

Now, I suspect that is what you mean when you talk of " emptiness ". I might be wrong, but to me it resonates that way because what I fear about death is, indeed, emptiness, the loss of consciousness.

I wondered before if getting myself into that state of mind on a regular basis and face my fear instead of opting for a diversion when it accidentally happens could somehow lead to something if I practiced .

But I don't because I am afraid it might cause me to create a psychological unbalance. I am not kidding about this fear but I do appreciate the way you explained that the mind is scared of what it cannot envision. Nothing scares me the way emptiness does...

So, do you think I should regularly face this fear? Is it safe to practice that kind of meditation? Can I do it and get to the other side of it unscathed?


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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: solstice]
    #11139424 - 09/27/09 08:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I would suggest your own authority when it comes to that. Words come hard to emphasize this, but the emptiness is yours truly, death and its inevitability each one of us must face all by ourselves.

The scary thing about it being of course that we don't know what lies beyond that point, because nobody has ever reported back and told us what awaits us. There is not a clue, just a blank stare.

Losing one's mind is also highly stigmatized in our world, so questions will be concerning about reaching for these states. But I believe as long as you come out of the experience with a feeling of being more alive, there is going to be a value found in the meditation. You really just have to dive in and see for yourself.

Trust yourself, noone knows you better than yourself.

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Re: Meditation for Fear of Emptiness [Re: solstice]
    #11142686 - 09/28/09 10:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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solstice said:
This is an interesting post!

For years I have been " able " to bring myself to what I dub an " absolute realization that I will die someday " and when I do so, I get panic attacks ranging from light to very intense, depending on how long I indulge into this state of mind.

Now, I suspect that is what you mean when you talk of " emptiness ". I might be wrong, but to me it resonates that way because what I fear about death is, indeed, emptiness, the loss of consciousness.

I wondered before if getting myself into that state of mind on a regular basis and face my fear instead of opting for a diversion when it accidentally happens could somehow lead to something if I practiced .

But I don't because I am afraid it might cause me to create a psychological unbalance. I am not kidding about this fear but I do appreciate the way you explained that the mind is scared of what it cannot envision. Nothing scares me the way emptiness does...

So, do you think I should regularly face this fear? Is it safe to practice that kind of meditation? Can I do it and get to the other side of it unscathed?




For me the thought of death doesn't worry me as much as the thought of dying--if painful. I would choose an injection to end it. I dont like suffering if it can be avoided, I've done a fukin nuff
:braindamage:

THE best explanation of the mystery of death I have read is from Alan Watts. I had this beautiful slim book where images of nature were illustrating his musings about death. He begins something like "Imagine going to sleep and never waking up again. You wouldn't even know you had been asleep. Just found this beautiful video:
Alan Watts: Death

let me know what you think?


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