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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8044623 - 02/19/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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All of you kids just sound like me when I was 15. I used to run around scrawling anarchy symbols on the walls of my school and thought I was an awesome rebel.
Eventually, you grow out of it. I don't hate the system. Yes, things could certainly be better. Couldn't they always? I don't pretend to think that the United States in 2008 is the pinnacle of human achievement and existence. I'm not that naive. But I'd certainly rather be right here right now than any other time or place in history.
No, eventually people like you just give up. You don't grow out of it... you start accepting the bullshit, slowly but surely. You, my friend, are naive.
Zooming in on dude's shirt/sneakers? What the fuck is that about? Explain that? Training? No way. Documentary? On what, the the clothing styles of protestors during the 21st century? Please. Open your eyes. This is police state at it's finest. You don't need to be a tin-foil wearing loon to believe this is happening.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#8044768 - 02/19/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes there are police that work for the state. i think a police state would encompass much more than riot/protest breakup. to be a police state there needs to be wiretapping of phones(all), monitoring of the internet/limitation of access to information, suspension of habeas corpus, much larger police forces that display deadly force as a terror tactic(think Uzi/sub-machine gun type weapons), etc etc. we are no where near that.
as soon as the shroomery and its users gets shut down and busted I'll say America is a police state.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8044819 - 02/19/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: Listen, I'm not stupid.
All of you kids just sound like me when I was 15.
are all kids stupid? im in my 40's so dont treat me like im in a bloody junior high dare class
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Madtowntripper said: I used to run around scrawling anarchy symbols on the walls of my school and thought I was an awesome rebel.
i scrawl nothing on walls and i dont think i am awesome in the slightest i fear what these pigs will do to my children because they disagree with laws that want to lock them away for years for doing the same things these pigs done themselves in thier own lives eg smoke weed
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Eventually, you grow out of it. You are a pessimist and see only danger and fear lurking in every shadow.
i dont think zooming in on peoples faces to build some kind of dosier on tax paying citiens is pessimistic,its sinister
why are the pigs dressed like soldiers and armed to the teeth against unarmed men,women and children at peaceful protests?
youre sitting on the fence throwing stones at the people who are fighting for their rights as well as yours
ive seen it before,its called broken
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: alphabeatu]
#8045909 - 02/20/08 01:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: blackegg]
#8045995 - 02/20/08 01:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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An investigation has been launched into claims Queensland police used a taser on a handcuffed man three times in order to shut him up.
Australian Police Minister Judy Spence yesterday confirmed a complaint alleging a police officer had repeatedly used a taser on a man in the Cleveland watchhouse to stop him from swearing had been filed in September last year.
Police said it was one of four complaints that had been made regarding the use of the weapons.
The police spokesman said one case, in which an officer was found to have threatened to use the gun but did not, had been dismissed.
Two other cases were being investigated and officers from the Ethical Standards Command were awaiting the outcome of the complainant's court proceedings before investigating the fourth.
When asked whether she was concerned over the claims considering the statewide rollout of tasers in July this year, Ms Spence said the claims had not yet been proved.
"It is important to remember the matter is currently under investigation, with no claims having yet been proven, and with the QPS (Queensland Police Service) Ethical Standards Command overseeing the investigation," she said in a statement.
She urged anyone who believed they had been mistreated by police to complain to the Police Ethical Standards Command or to the Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC).
"The fact that the individual in question has accessed these avenues demonstrates our commitment to accountability," she said.
Ms Spence earlier this year announced the weapon would be carried by all Queensland frontline officers from July.
The announcement was welcomed by police but civil libertarians argued police would misuse the weapon. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4408422a12.html our pigs are arming themselves to the teeth and want tazors to play with now
we have a small population but the third largest pigforce in the world and we have no where near the lunatics and criminals running around like the rest of the world does
we are unarmed,only pigs,rich businessmen or security guards guarding money can legally carry short firearms but our pigs need to be armed like swat teams in america?
our government considers money more valuable than a man protecting his family from intruders
funnily enough this didnt make our news here in convictland,its from a newzealand website
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8046109 - 02/20/08 04:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No. This is what a police state looks like.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8046221 - 02/20/08 06:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So, we should wait 'till America's THAT bad ...then we'll worry about it?
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: HighHat]
#8046280 - 02/20/08 07:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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HighHat said: Maybe their just National Geo, or History Channel associates working on a piece about protest to be published/aired in 5-10 years.
then they are dressed as police, impersonating a cop is a crime and these national geographic camera operators need to be arrested for their crimes
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#8046356 - 02/20/08 08:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Unions used to video tape and photograph people that stood in their way, as a legal means of intimidation.
Scientologists do that today. There's a video floating around here of a Scientology security guard intimidating someone by shooting pics of them on a public sidewalk.
Thugs are thugs are thugs the world over.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Diploid]
#8046381 - 02/20/08 08:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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there's about a hundred videos of these tactics being used by scientologists, there's also several of scientilogy using the police in such a manor, 'riot control'
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Diploid]
#8048098 - 02/20/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Man, can't you see it's one thing after another slowly enslaving us?
-Patriot Act.
Specifics, please. What were you legally free to do before the Patriot Act was signed into law that you cannot legally do today? In other words, how have you been "enslaved" by the Patriot Act?
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-Warrantless Wiretaps.
Specifics, please. If you mean military security forces listening to communications where one end is outside the country, with a suspected terrorist on the line, and the other end is inside the US with an unknown on the line, then you damn well better be happy they're doing it. If that's not what you are referring to, give us some specifics.
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-People held in indefinite detention without charges, without access to outside communication, and without even a lawyer.
Define "people" and tell us where they were arrested (or captured) and where they are being detained.
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-ATT piping their entire bit stream through a NSA analyzer.
Courts ruled LONG ago that this kind of data mining is not illegal.
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-Torture in violation of conventions and treaties.
Sorry, no. First of all, waterboarding is not torture. Secondly, KSM and the other two are not protected by any conventions or treaties. So double pwned on that one.
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-Diebold voting machines that miscount on demand.
Yeah, right, Alex.
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-U.S. Attorneys fired for suspect reasons...
Since the office of US Attorney is strictly a political appointment, they all serve at the whim of the administration and can be removed at any time for any reason, and they KNOW that going into it. Slick Willie Clinton fired every single US Attorney in the country and no one gave a shit.
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... and the president declaring that if his aides are to testify before the branch of government designed to check his power, they will not do it under oath. Translation: the president is cool with his aides lying to Congress.
Nope. If ever there was a clearcut case of Executive Privilege, this is it.
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-And now the police recording who is at a political demonstration instead of doing their job which is to catch criminals, not political demonstrators.
News flash -- if you are in a public place, anyone has the right to film you. You have absolutely zero expectation of privacy in a public place.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Visionary Tools]
#8048424 - 02/20/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i went to a pretty rowdy football school for college. we had a couple riots during a big yearly festival, and we usually had some unrest every time there was a big game.
the place became like another country on nights like those. they'd call in the state police, and they would literally be everywhere. on horses, on top of buildings. marching double time down the street in columns.
they used video cameras. they used them to ID people and charge them later for rioting.
the kids weren't protesting the new world order of global capitalism. they didn't know what the hell that meant. they were drunk college kids throwing bottles and partying in the street. most of them would go on to be good, tax paying, suburbanite consumers in a few years time... assuming they're spared the gulag a few years from now when we're under martial law and cops are scouring old tapes to try to find political enemies, right?
cops film demonstrations so that if a riot occurs, they can make arrests and prosecution cases later. that or they use them because they're planning to send these people to the camps when the big plan goes into action. which do you really think is more likely?
this is what a police state looks like:
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Phred]
#8048429 - 02/20/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bravo Phred, I couldn't have done better myself.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: zappaisgod]
#8048915 - 02/20/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Bravo Phred, I couldn't have done better myself.
Amazing! Phred, you are a master of doublethink! I give you my great applause.
Zzzap and I would like to welcome you to our Ministry of Truth.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Phred]
#8048991 - 02/20/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Courts ruled LONG ago that this kind of data mining is not illegal.
Exactly Phred,
That these things are happening and they're considered legal is what I'm talking about. They're anathema to everything the Founders were and the constitution is about, yet they're considered legal.
So was internment of Japanese-Americans once and with the same justification.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Diploid]
#8049012 - 02/20/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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And slavery too!!!! FTW and 1.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: zappaisgod]
#8049043 - 02/20/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Slavery wasn't justified by saying it was for protection from a threat to our liberty.
Someone once said: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
He was right, IMO.
The terrorists are winning by making us cancel those things that define us.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Diploid]
#8049068 - 02/20/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Note the words Essential and Temporary. Also, somebody once said that the Constitution isn't a suicide pact.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: zappaisgod]
#8049083 - 02/20/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I guess we disagree on what is Essential. Universal Habeas Corpus is Essential in my book.
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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Diploid]
#8049133 - 02/20/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred: your arguments seems to be that what's deemed legal is morally/ethically/socially fine and is unworthy of debate? i.e. you have no right to privacy in a public place, AT&T helping the government invade your privacy is legal, etc. therefore these things are OK and nobody should be worried about them?
What many of us are arguing I think is that there is no good justification for the actions of these officers in this protest, whether they were deemed legal or not. OJ Simpson was found not guilty... doesn't mean he isn't a murderer. These police may have gotten away with what they did... doesn't mean it wasn't wrong and extremely dangerous to a free society.
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