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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8041970 - 02/19/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why are the police filming? What right do they have to film peaceful political protests? What is their agenda?


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8041996 - 02/19/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i cant see how you can watch those two videos and come to the conclusion that they arent being facist pigs assaulting the very people who pay their wages unless ofcourse you are a cop yourself...

its about time people started making molotov cocktails to break their formations and attack them from their flanks and rear with machetes and guns but then that would make the people terrorists in your eyes no?


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: bradmassive]
    #8042001 - 02/19/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

People claim to get beat up at protests all the time, right?

Every time some group gets together to protest bunny slaughter in Thailand, they get rowdy and claim they were beat up by the cops. What should the cops do to stop this?

Film people to show they were not being beaten? Its the same reason athletes keep their sexual liasons on tape. So nobody can scream rape after a consensual sex act.

Or maybe it's a training video. Protests are usually close-quarters and confusing. It's not easy to be in the front lines as a protester, and I'm sure its harder as a cop. How are you supposed to show a cop what a protest is like? Draw him a picture?

The fact is that the police are necessary at huge protests. If there were 10,000 people gathered anywhere in a city there would be some kind of security presence there. But somehow if those 10,000 people are in the middle of a city there shouldn't be any police anywhere around? What the fuck is the logic there?


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8042007 - 02/19/08 09:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

alphabeatu said:
i cant see how you can watch those two videos and come to the conclusion that they arent being facist pigs assaulting the very people who pay their wages unless ofcourse you are a cop yourself...

its about time people started making molotov cocktails to break their formations and attack them from their flanks and rear with machetes and guns but then that would make the people terrorists in your eyes no?




So why the fuck are you here typing missives on the interwebz?  Put on your Che t-shirt and get out there!

viva la revolucion!

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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042010 - 02/19/08 09:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ahhhh so zooming in on faces and saying

"get a close up of him and him and him"
"we'll show his po"
"you know him"?

is for training? :whatever:


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042017 - 02/19/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ahhhh so you know im just a screen beret then....

i certainly hope theres a revolution before im old

guess what the pigs and government fear most of all?

inhouse terrorism(hooded and disguised to make your fucking jobs harder naturally)


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8042033 - 02/19/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

alphabeatu said:
ahhhh so zooming in on faces and saying

"get a close up of him and him and him"
"we'll show his po"
"you know him"?

is for training? :whatever:




All I'm saying is you're getting one side of the story.  Propoganda is propoganda no matter who is putting it out.

Critical thinking is necessary in today's world.  Don't swallow hook, line, and sinker anything someone tells you just because its anti-establishment or cool.

Like I said in a thread yesterday, the same people crying about the police today would be the first ones whining if they were abolished tomorrow.

Anarchy would eat you kiddies alive.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042042 - 02/19/08 09:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Man, can't you see it's one thing after another slowly enslaving us?

-Patriot Act.

-Warrantless Wiretaps.

-People held in indefinite detention without charges, without access to outside communication, and without even a lawyer.

-ATT piping their entire bit stream through a NSA analyzer.

-Torture in violation of conventions and treaties.

-Diebold voting machines that miscount on demand.

-U.S. Attorneys fired for suspect reasons, and the president declaring that if his aides are to testify before the branch of government designed to check his power, they will not do it under oath. Translation: the president is cool with his aides lying to Congress.

-And now the police recording who is at a political demonstration instead of doing their job which is to catch criminals, not political demonstrators.

How can you watch this happening and somehow not see it?

I'm not talking conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo. I'm talking a steady erosion of everything the Founding Fathers set in place to protect us from exactly the kinds of things that are starting to happen.

And then to see the apathy with which you and others treat these things is really frightening.


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042050 - 02/19/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

it was the pigs own propaganda that backfired then?
they filmed it


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Diploid]
    #8042065 - 02/19/08 09:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Diploid dude, I totally support your opinion on this.


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8042751 - 02/19/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe their just National Geo, or History Channel associates working on a piece about protest to be published/aired in 5-10 years.  :shrug:


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: HighHat]
    #8043069 - 02/19/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Diploid also sees things clearly.

Folk like Madtown are the ones most enslaved, they, who falsely believe they are free.


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8043160 - 02/19/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is sickening. That's all.


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Diploid]
    #8043258 - 02/19/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Man, can't you see it's one thing after another slowly enslaving us?

And then to see the apathy with which you and others treat these things is really frightening.




Thanks for assuming I'm apathetic because we don't see eye-to-eye on a heavily edited piece of obvious propaganda.

Listen, I'm not stupid. I agree with most of the things you said. Warrantless wiretaps are bad. Torture is bad. (See my torture thread from last week) I don't see the harm in electronic voting if there is a paper trail.

But don't assume I'm some kind of moronic sheep because we don't see one issue the same way. I'm smart, informed, and politically active. I just voted today, and I'm well aware of the issues currently facing the country.

I just happen to think this is the best country in the world. I make no amends for that. Deal with it. You probably think Canadia is the best country in the world, a statement which I find just as absurd as you likely find mine.

All of you kids just sound like me when I was 15. I used to run around scrawling anarchy symbols on the walls of my school and thought I was an awesome rebel.

Eventually, you grow out of it. I don't hate the system. Yes, things could certainly be better. Couldn't they always? I don't pretend to think that the United States in 2008 is the pinnacle of human achievement and existence. I'm not that naive. But I'd certainly rather be right here right now than any other time or place in history.

You are a pessimist and see only danger and fear lurking in every shadow. I don't feel the same way. America has had much worse and much rougher patches in the past than it has now. Much of this has to do with the disastrous policies of our current president who is thankfully in his last several months in office.

You can talk all you want about curtailed liberties and drastic measures and worrisome surveillance, but I do not feel locked down. There is nobody telling me that I can't have a certain job, or I can't go to a certain school, or I can't travel, or I can't read certain books.

What the fuck is my scary and omnipotent government keeping me from doing? Smoking pot? Is that it? The Drug War is on its way out, and I think everyone can see that very clearly.

I'm optimistic. This is a great county. I understand the concerns that people have, but I don't buy into the hype that we are in the End Times and everyone should head for the bomb shelters.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Minstrel]
    #8043312 - 02/19/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Minstrel said:
Diploid also sees things clearly.

Folk like Madtown are the ones most enslaved, they, who falsely believe they are free.






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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8043550 - 02/19/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Listen, I'm not stupid...

But don't assume I'm some kind of moronic sheep


I didn't say that man, and I don't believe that either. I respect you. Don't read negative things into what I'm saying that aren't there.

It just seems to me that you don't take this very seriously, that's all I'm saying. And to me, it's EXTREMELY serious when cops are making closeup videos of people DOING NOTHING WRONG and who don't want to be photographed by the cops (they're covering their face). Sure it's a public venue and nobody should have any expectation of privacy, but that's beside the point.

What reason could the police possibly have for doing this while being heard on the radio planning the logistics of "Spray and Push"? (With pepper spray)

Why are the police fostering these adversarial relationships with the public they're supposed to serve?

Why aren't they trying to establish open rapport with that crowd instead of planning how to pepper-spray them?

What they're doing is bullying. It's exactly what they shouldn't be doing in this age of public mistrust of and widespread corruption among cops. Just read the News forum here for story after story of cops gone bad.

By the way, how many times have we seen cops attacking a civilian for filming the cops? Search the News forum. I personally know someone whose camera was stolen by a cop (yes, outright stolen) when the cop noticed he was being filmed.

Technically, it was impounded as evidence when my friend was arrested for simply filming, though on paper it was some bullshit charge the cop made up and which a judge later dismissed. But the camera? He never got it back.

Man, I'm done with this topic. If you can't see anything wrong with cops devoting resources to intimidating people doing nothing wrong instead of to catching real criminals, then I just don't have anything more to tell you.


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Diploid]
    #8043817 - 02/19/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't like this, but at the same time it's ridiculous to say they are violating anyone's rights by doing this.

What rights are being violated?


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Redstorm]
    #8043978 - 02/19/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Looked like their right to peaceful protest was.

Why did the police decide to make them leave by pushing them back and out with a line of pepper spray, pellet guns and clubs?

That was pretty warped and unnecessary just because the people inside the hotel for the Bush convention didn't like them being there.


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8044022 - 02/19/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't talking about the video. I was talking to whoever was referring to the protests being taped by officers.


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Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8044290 - 02/19/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
You can't think of any reason the police would should be allowed to film that?

If it is a peaceful protest, who gives a fuck if they film it?

C'mon Diploid, you aren't a conspiracy theorist. Do you really think they're using that film to put people who protest into some kind of national database to come and sweep them up when they declare martial law?

Really?




Unions used to video tape and photograph people that stood in their way, as a legal means of intimidation.


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