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InvisibleChronic7

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Faster than the speed of light?
    #8037545 - 02/18/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey i was wondering since einstein said nothing moves faster than the speed of light, what about electrons noticibly being in 2 places at once?

Cosmic consciousness?

interconnectedness?

The string theory?

Sympathetic Vibrational Magnetism?

Or seeing as these things cant be sceintifically prooved they dont move faster than the speed of light?

Surely that which connects life itself, is the same that is life itself, Tao, Nirvana etc, the unspeakable the ultimate reality of all must communicate faster than any manifestation of this life force ie (light/gravity etc)


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8037603 - 02/18/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The less you define your terms, the less anyone is going to be able to comment on anything.  Most of the things you stated are very vague and undefined, and the speed of light is a fixed constant.  How can anyone try to interface the two?

It's like asking whether love moves at the speed of light.  :wtf:


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8037605 - 02/18/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

EM radiation always travels at c
matter cannot be accelerated up to c without applying an infinite amount of energy...
bell's theorem ( the ERP thought experiment) examines the "instantaneous" (or supraluminal) transfer of information...

oh, and "there are no coincidences"....


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8037625 - 02/18/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was watching history channel specials on stuff like this, and apparently scientists think their beginning to find exceptions to Einsteins theory. so i wouldn't say its impossible. but you bring up a good point about manifestation being faster than light, i think it could be the same speed as light, but since light is more physical and thought processes and mental manifestations are more metaphysical i don't think the same laws apply.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: gnrm23]
    #8037631 - 02/18/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I believe totally there are no coincidences, i think ive answered my own question as all there is in its purest form, or non form, has got to communicate faster then anything which it manifests.

And your right it is like asking does love move faster than light, so kinda pointless.

Like does karma travel faster than the speed of light?

But einstein also stated every action has an equal and opposite reaction, surely he mustev applied this to everything but i guess what you cant proove as a physicist theres no point in trying to


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038232 - 02/18/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The speed of light is not really a constant. When scientists began measuring it, what happened was that they kept coming up with different numbers that indicated that c was actually decreasing ever so slightly. In the end they simply averaged their results to a comfortable theoretical constant. McKenna touched on this briefly in one of his talks. The only constant in the universe is change. No thing stays the same, not even light. Every thing is altered again.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038248 - 02/18/08 02:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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But einstein also stated every action has an equal and opposite reaction




Unbelieveable. No, it was not Einstein.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038470 - 02/18/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Einstein was good but he didn't have the whole picture.

Several modern studies contradict this speed of light stuff.

No I can't be assed to find the sources, lol.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8038637 - 02/18/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

wasnt the every action has an equal and opposite reaction one of newtons laws?


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: mycould]
    #8038834 - 02/18/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038856 - 02/18/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:
Hey i was wondering since einstein said nothing moves faster than the speed of light, what about electrons noticibly being in 2 places at once?




Like Prot says in K-PAX, Einstein said nothing can accelerate to faster than the speed of light, he said nothing about particles that are already at superluminal speeds.

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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Middleman]
    #8039028 - 02/18/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, many multiples of C....
Don't tell anyone, they will just end up blowing themselves up....    :wink:


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Middleman]
    #8039309 - 02/18/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Like Prot says in K-PAX, Einstein said nothing can accelerate to faster than the speed of light, he said nothing about particles that are already at superluminal speeds.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light#Tachyons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacheon
In special relativity, while it is impossible to accelerate an object to the speed of light, or for a massive object to move at the speed of light, it is not impossible for an object to exist which always moves faster than light. The hypothetical elementary particles that have this property are called tachyons. Their existence has neither been proven nor disproven, but even so attempts to quantise them show that they may not be used for faster-than-light communication. Physicists sometimes regard the existence of mathematical structures similar to Tachyons arising from theoretical models and theories as signs of an inconsistency or that the theory needs further refining.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: CosmicFool]
    #8039837 - 02/18/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Mod edit: "Attempting to disprove or discredit an idea will not be tolerated."


Edited by Middleman (02/18/08 08:28 PM)


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: DieCommie]
    #8039929 - 02/18/08 08:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you never said hello. :grin:


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #8040114 - 02/18/08 08:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

alienmindbook.org

gives a good background on negative energy and electrogravity and how interstellar travel is possible.

It delves into the quantum world if you can vibe with the author you will know exactly what he is talking about.

Along the same lines of the interconnectedness the OP mentioned.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8041180 - 02/19/08 12:29 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for this post i just mentioned this today..

i think this shows that space and distance is all an illusion of sorts.

Similar to time


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? *DELETED* [Re: ShroomFan]
    #8041644 - 02/19/08 04:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: soulcircus]
    #8041675 - 02/19/08 05:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Thank you.




sorry for getting two physicists mixed up OC, i failed physics, big  deal...

you will nitpick over any tiny little detail i slip up on, just so your ego feels you have won some sort of battle lol

tell you what, you win, you are the heavy weight champ of the world, you win buddy, im wrong about everyhtign i believe in, you win, hooray for you!

three cheers for OC!!!!



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thanks for this post i just mentioned this today..

i think this shows that space and distance is all an illusion of sorts.

Similar to time




It IS all an empti illusion, everything we perceive as reality is not true reality it is a manifested, impermanent, multidimensional illusion of the eternal. The way i see it, this eternal has an imbalance that has a need to BE, until is just IS.

This should not be seen as life, the world, the universe is bad or impure, it is just a manifestation of the eternal, part of the impermanence, changing, possibility, potential, where as the eternal is permanent.

Why cling to whats impermanent/changes? That only brings suffering.
If you accept everything true nature reveals itself to you beautifully.


Its all too beautiful! :grin: Impermanence is amazing, its like anything can happen, but then theres an eternal force behind this impermanence, its a perfect balance.

Im so happy right now words can't describe.



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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8042344 - 02/19/08 10:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Thank you.



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sorry for getting two physicists mixed up OC, i failed physics, big  deal...
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you will nitpick over any tiny little detail i slip up on, just so your ego feels you have won some sort of battle lol
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tell you what, you win, you are the heavy weight champ of the world, you win buddy, im wrong about everyhtign i believe in, you win, hooray for you!
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three cheers for OC!!!!




Seems like you may be blowing things out of proportion....
If I said that Nancy Reagan was the current President, and you corrected me, should I go off on you for correcting me....?  :shrug:
Name dropping, or "fact" dropping when it is incorrect, should be corrected - or shouldn't be dropped at all....

:2cents:


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8042410 - 02/19/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

Chronic777 said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
Thank you.



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sorry for getting two physicists mixed up OC, i failed physics, big  deal...
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you will nitpick over any tiny little detail i slip up on, just so your ego feels you have won some sort of battle lol
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tell you what, you win, you are the heavy weight champ of the world, you win buddy, im wrong about everyhtign i believe in, you win, hooray for you!
.
three cheers for OC!!!!




Seems like you may be blowing things out of proportion....
If I said that Nancy Reagan was the current President, and you corrected me, should I go off on you for correcting me....?  :shrug:
Name dropping, or "fact" dropping when it is incorrect, should be corrected - or shouldn't be dropped at all....

:2cents:


>^;;^<





If you check the history of that situation (mine and OC's posts) you'll see this had almost nothing to do with him correcting me, only proving im wrong, which isnt exactly "nice", if he corrected me fair enough! But he didnt correct me he stated im wrong and sumone else corected me, all he can do is state that what i say is wrong, he has never ever corrected me on anything :grin:


If that was just a normal reply to my posts and he was correcting me i wouldnt have felt to say anything at all, i would've thanked him for correcting me!


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8043437 - 02/19/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Would someone who drones on endlessly about other's egos be so easily offended by an innocuous correction unless he was stuck in ego?

An egoless person would thank the poster for freely providing relevant information and move on.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8043610 - 02/19/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Who cares.

The point is faster-than-light speed is possible. Propulsion systems with the ability to exceed light speeds and remove itself from the confines of mass inertia already exist. Lockheed Martin already has already created (or... copied) craft with the ability to take "ET home".


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8043824 - 02/19/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: TheCow]
    #8046404 - 02/20/08 08:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Where's home??


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8054326 - 02/21/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Things with weight theoretically cant travel as fast as light which has no mass. I think there are other things in the universe which don't have weight, so they would be able to travel at light speed or faster as well. I think human thought and consciousness could be some of these things.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8056374 - 02/22/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Would someone who drones on endlessly about other's egos be so easily offended by an innocuous correction unless he was stuck in ego?

An egoless person would thank the poster for freely providing relevant information and move on.





lol u didnt provide me any information, you just told me i was wrong, which gave you ego a boost yet did not help me one bit, if you wanted to help you would have corrected me instead of just stating i was wrong :smile:

i never claimed to be egoless either.
we are all ego machines and youve offended mine many a time by trying to make me quesiton my beliefs, which is good in a way, but you have to accept that in this case if you wanted to help me you would've told me i was wrong & corrected me!

its just a fact, people who help people dont just tell them theyre wrong, they give them advice on how to be right.

this is geting oooold now.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8069425 - 02/25/08 05:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Faster then the speed of light. What an interesting topic, I like it.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? *DELETED* [Re: Chronic7]
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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
    #8075838 - 02/27/08 02:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think it takes any energy to change from a particle to a wave. It innately is a particle and a wave at the same time. Its the experiment itself causing it to behave in one form or the other. Its basically two different things at the same time, and different experiments show you different aspects of the same thing. Thats my understanding anyway.


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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: DimensionX]
    #8076780 - 02/27/08 11:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If God can see everything, then how can he possibly see the entire universe all at once if absolutely no information can travel at faster than light speed?

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Re: Faster than the speed of light? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8076982 - 02/27/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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