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new grower, where to go now?
    #8037196 - 02/18/08 09:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so i am currently growing 1 pint BRF/pf tek cakes, with an RR style FC. now i have achieved VERY good first flush results (100+ wet grams per cake usually), but after i dunk and roll (between flushes) , and put it back in the FC every one of the cakes basically dies and puts out 3-4 shrooms (one time it was 2) on the next flush. That is just not acceptable to me. so i dont know what im doing wrong, because my first flushes are always very very nice.

now my question is, where to go now? i was thinking of going to 1/2 pint BRF jars hoping that i could just get a LOT of first flushes because of the shorter colonization time and then just keep doing that... or maybe crumble the cakes and case them? ... or maybe just go to Rye/WBS and case? im a new grower and have only done cakes, so i would prefer to stay around them, but i dont mind going to casings as well if it is really that big of a difference between cakes.

basically im kind of lost right now, i have no idea why my flushes after the 1st suck, but i dont like it. and i want a new (and hopefully very rewarding method of growing. any advice would be great.


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: t00th]
    #8037230 - 02/18/08 09:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you want to increase your flushes, spawn to bulk.


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: Neobean]
    #8037528 - 02/18/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if u wanna go to grains you need a pressure cooker.

it's much easier to bulk grow with grains. cakes aren't so bad though very consistant.


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: flavoraid]
    #8037541 - 02/18/08 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

go straight to quart jars of grains, i believe PF cakes to be a waste of time if you are interested in mycology and not just "making groovy shrooms bro"

in my experience grains are quicker and easier, the only issue being you MUST have a pressure cooker, but again, if you want to get serious about mycology that is the first investment you have to make

good luck, congrats on your first grow!

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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: flavoraid]
    #8037548 - 02/18/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, I had the same concerns with PF cakes.
I think I'm going to do a monotub real soon.


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: dill705]
    #8037565 - 02/18/08 11:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

grains colonize sooo fast with a liquid culture it's like a billion inoculation points.


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: flavoraid]
    #8037773 - 02/18/08 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

PF cakes untill you gain enough experience.

and try casing your cakes. ive had great success crumbling 2-3 cakes per casing.

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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: iTrip]
    #8038773 - 02/18/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i've thought about crumbling cakes for a while now. would that just be in some type of tub, with 1/2 inch of verm., then crumbled cakes (would 1-2 pint sized ones work for one tub), then a casing layer? and can i do this after a cake has already started fruiting, as long as its inbetween flushes? or is it better to use new cakes?


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: t00th]
    #8038877 - 02/18/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You are ready to level up.

You are getting great results from PF cakes, and you're getting your bulk in the first flush! You are getting 3/8 to 1/2 an oz per cake! You can't do PF cakes much better than that. What more do you want from them?

Look into grains... casing and/or spawning... or take pride in the fact that you're doing it right.


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: Rose]
    #8038924 - 02/18/08 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You are ready to level up.

You are getting great results from PF cakes, and you're getting your bulk in the first flush! You are getting 3/8 to 1/2 an oz per cake! You can't do PF cakes much better than that. What more do you want from them?

Look into grains... casing and/or spawning... or take pride in the fact that you're doing it right.




i think you may have mis read my post. the problem is not that i am achieving excellent results on my first flush, my problem is that after my first flush my cakes shit out, and only produce 2-3 shrooms per cake/per flush.


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: Rose]
    #8038926 - 02/18/08 05:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

On my first grow I had three jars colonize really slow, so I decided to case them. I had good success and now have  an LC of B+ and another of GT clones.

I think that I'm going to finish my Equador and Treasure Coast PF cakes and make LC's of these strains before I get some of the Sporeworks new manure bags. Then it's monotub time:mushroom2: :wink:


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: dill705]
    #8038941 - 02/18/08 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so you had good success from crumbling and casing the cakes? more so than if you had just fruited the cakes themselves?


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: t00th]
    #8039229 - 02/18/08 05:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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ksinao said:

i think you may have mis read my post. the problem is not that i am achieving excellent results on my first flush, my problem is that after my first flush my cakes shit out, and only produce 2-3 shrooms per cake/per flush. 




And I think you misunderstood what I said.

If you are getting 3/8 to 1/2 an OZ dry from EACH CAKE on AVERAGE, in TWO or FEWER flushes, what exactly is your problem? What more do you expect a pint of brf to produce?

You are getting great results for cakes.

You want better results, STOP USING CAKES... and use the big boy teks.

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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: Rose]
    #8039250 - 02/18/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I didnt really wanna start a whole new thread on this, but I am having the hardest time finding 1/2 pt. jars. I live in the states (s.carolina)

I've tried:

Walmart
All grocery stores in the area
Ace Hardware

and all of them just have like plastic tupperware and shit, but nothing that would really work for this. No where seems to have glass jars with lids. I could order them online but then shipping is like $12 :frown: Any suggestions..? I might just have to pay up..


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: Jadis]
    #8039414 - 02/18/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I didnt really wanna start a whole new thread on this, but I am having the hardest time finding 1/2 pt. jars. I live in the states (s.carolina)

I've tried:

Walmart
All grocery stores in the area
Ace Hardware

and all of them just have like plastic tupperware and shit, but nothing that would really work for this. No where seems to have glass jars with lids. I could order them online but then shipping is like $12 :frown: Any suggestions..? I might just have to pay up..





are you positive you've checked at large grocery stores? they might not have 1/2 pints but they will certainly have more than plastic tupperware.

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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: shroober]
    #8039432 - 02/18/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Definately, i spent a lot of time looking for the wide-mouth quart jars just to find out that both local grocery stores in my area carried more variety of jars than a walmart or rural-king does.

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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: shroober]
    #8039435 - 02/18/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

bi-lo, ingles, and i'm going to food lion tomorrow sometime.

but bilo/ingles just had plastic tupperware (lots of it though), and like glass baking ware, but no glass jars

edit: oh and i asked an employee at each store and they just looked at me like i was retarded and they didnt know what a glass jar was. it was rather funny actually :smile:


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: Rose]
    #8040586 - 02/18/08 10:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

ksinao said:

i think you may have mis read my post. the problem is not that i am achieving excellent results on my first flush, my problem is that after my first flush my cakes shit out, and only produce 2-3 shrooms per cake/per flush. 




And I think you misunderstood what I said.

If you are getting 3/8 to 1/2 an OZ dry from EACH CAKE on AVERAGE, in TWO or FEWER flushes, what exactly is your problem? What more do you expect a pint of brf to produce?


:wink:




i was under the impression that i would be getting 3-5 flushes on cakes, not one. that is what is disappointing to me. Not the weight that i have been getting, i am extremely happy and proud of that. but the fact that it's not repeating. i would have never done cakes to begin with if i knew i would only be getting one good flush per cake. maybe my first flushes are so big it uses to many nutrients? maybe the cake gets wore out? i dont know. i am very new at all of this. thats why i was asking about alternatives because i get a lot of mixed feedback, it seems people who use one method are biased towards that method and that makes it hard to make an educated decision.


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: t00th]
    #8041505 - 02/19/08 03:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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ksinao said:

i was under the impression that i would be getting 3-5 flushes on cakes, not one. that is what is disappointing to me. Not the weight that i have been getting, i am extremely happy and proud of that. but the fact that it's not repeating. i would have never done cakes to begin with if i knew i would only be getting one good flush per cake. maybe my first flushes are so big it uses to many nutrients? maybe the cake gets wore out? i dont know. i am very new at all of this. thats why i was asking about alternatives because i get a lot of mixed feedback, it seems people who use one method are biased towards that method and that makes it hard to make an educated decision.




Well, first of all, people are biased towards what works for them. Pick a tek that works with supplies you can get easily, where you live, and you'll begin to like IT best. :wink:

I suspect your first flushes are simply so big they damage the outer mycelial network of your cake. Perhaps dunk and double roll (and patch the holes)? I don't know...

But really, you're getting the average bulk out of that one flush. You could let it happen over 4 or 5 flushes (like it does for most people) if it makes you feel better... but at least your way is quicker. :wink:


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Re: new grower, where to go now? [Re: Rose]
    #8042271 - 02/19/08 10:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I suspect your first flushes are simply so big they damage the outer mycelial network of your cake. Perhaps dunk and double roll (and patch the holes)? I don't know...





double roll? how would the verm stick to verm? please explain.


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