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OfflineRainman420
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Salvia confusion
    #8036130 - 02/17/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The last time I tried salvia I was not thrown across the universe or into any void but merely tripped and had complete confusion. I took one huge bong rip then another half bong rip and started to lose it. I felt my body become with my hands and I felt the need to take off all my clothes. I was tripping really hard for about 5 mins, but it was very weird. I was in the room with like 4 people. I felt like they were all staring at me making fun of me or something. I was trying to communicate but I couldn't really speak. My friend got up after taking his hit and I felt the trail of the bong from the right to the left after passing it. It was very displeasing. I cant remember what the extract was, but is this a normal trip?


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: Rainman420]
    #8036197 - 02/18/08 12:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Totally.


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: Rainman420]
    #8036210 - 02/18/08 12:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hell yeah it is, Salvia is nothing to mess around with, it can be extremely intense and even more extreme on the scary side! Just read through erowid and experiences over there and you will see. I just ended up deciding that Salvia wasn't for me. LSD and Mushrooms do not come close to the power Salvia packs in 5-10 minutes time. It does deserve a lot of respect for that.


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: TheJakeyl88]
    #8036230 - 02/18/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Salvia, without a doubt, is not a comfort drug, even in the least.

Some people can't handle it.


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: mathewww]
    #8036250 - 02/18/08 12:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

good times with entheogens


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: Coaster]
    #8036412 - 02/18/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've never had any entheogenic, that is to say spiritual or deeply enlightening experiences with Salvia. It seems to act more as a strong dissociative than anything. I guess I could liken the feeling to an out of body experience, but it's not a pleasant one, just "cool" or strange. I guess I see it more as a novelty thing that most people try to just experience. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see the point.


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: Seraph in Blue]
    #8036669 - 02/18/08 05:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would think you would have to really get into salvia to understand it.
Not really the thing to fuck around with if your not prepared.

I've seen quite alot of videos on youtube, and all these trainwrecks.

One guy even saying "why wont you guys HELP ME??"

A. Welcome to the world of salvia
B. Goodbye to trying salvia again.

Only those who seek something will stick with salvia.

Thats pretty much the way of some drugs, for example mushrooms, if you have a bad experience your first time, most are unlikely to try again, where as those who see the potential, try again and learn the in's and out's of whats going on with the drug.

Salvia was the first proper psychedelic drug I tried, and it scared the shit out of the me the first time i broke through, but I did see that it was something completely and utterly different from the norm, and thats why im gonna do it again one day :smile:

And if salvia is your first psychedelic, which to most it is because of its legality, it seperates those who want more, and those that dont want to touch that realm ever again.
Each salvia trip is different :smile:


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Edited by blacksun (02/18/08 05:13 AM)


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: Rainman420]
    #8036774 - 02/18/08 06:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Rainman420 said:
I felt my body become with my hands and I felt the need to take off all my clothes.




I had that same exact feeling on a salvia trip last night. I ended up taking off my clothes, luckily I was doing it by myself... I think it was because I thought the angles of each piece of clothing was perpendicular to the angle of my jaw. It made sense at the time... :robotrip:


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #8036968 - 02/18/08 08:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Don't be dismayed by that experience. Salvia seems to have a sentient-like quality and will 'reprimand' you if your intentions are not clear or simply to get high.

Try it again on a lower dose, and have only one friend present that won't be laughing and holding a camera in your face. You may even try it alone, but please use a LOW dose.

I have used Salvia to merely deepen a meditation session. I would take one small hit of plain leaf and continue my meditation. I would do this three to four times per session. I usually felt great afterwards for a few days. My self concept and appreciation would be improved.

You don't have to use Salvia to blast off. Most don't like to blast off, but would be fine with less intense and less confusing trip.


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: Grylls]
    #8037337 - 02/18/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I like to take some salvia and examine the dynamics of consciousness, particulary, the arising and fading of sensations, and how thoughts/questions are triggerred and sustained with gestures and rhythms.

it is very sensory for me and often a huge treat, but I don't approach it as a treat as much as I do, a special kind of mental medicine.

I dose carefully as well.


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: Grylls]
    #8037351 - 02/18/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've had a lot of experience with Salvia, several trips like you've mentioned but mostly enlightening ones that teach me something. The first time I had a trip like the OPs, I was told by a female entity (Salvia goddess...trip is too long to explain here)"Do not worry child. Come back when you have the key." At the end of the trip, words came into my vision, spelling out "Do not observe; participate. You will be deeper than you have ever been before." Ever since then, I've been convinced that that message is "the key." With Salvia, IME, the more you try to understand what's happening to you, the more you observe (rather than fully participate and give in to the vision), the more confused you get. Just let her take you.


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: tsquad]
    #8038012 - 02/18/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Has anyone here had vibrant Open Eye visuals with Salvia that you could liken to mushrooms, LSD, or DMT? Because I never got any open eye visuals other than a very Ketamine like distortion of my depth perception and visual field along with the dissociation from my body and spinning feelings. Because of this, I don't even refer to it as a psychedelic, it's in a class of it's own. I've never smoked anything more than 20x, is that where I'm going wrong?

Has anyone ever smoked it while on a dose of another psychedelic? I wonder if it would be a good idea for me to smoke it while peaking on some Pan Cyan's.


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: tsquad]
    #8038271 - 02/18/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The videos on youtube are terrible that portray these trips.
These people begin the trip in a setting completely rife with nonchalant youthful idiocy.
as my feeling of it goes,your entering a hypersensitive state.
Maybe your mind should be in a state that is very open, yet patient and soulful, to feel the depths of connection to an existence and memory.
When you dont maintain that connection then introduce this chemical your risking to experience a complete mental transformation at very low level brain activity, or brain activity that isnt properly exercised/chemically calibrated to respond to the experience properly.

I risked this the first time I smoked salvia, being headstrong in the strength of my head.
Fortunately it was a good experience.But i still noticed the mistake on my part after feeling the intensity of the drug.

The second time I smoked it outdoors, in an isolated place, with a peaceful mind on a beautiful day.
Still the trip wasnt euphoric.
I never felt euphoria from salvia.

Then again, maybe no one really chooses what happens to them, perhaps events are all phenomena beyond human control, and your a spectrum of evolving "feelings" in a holographic explosion


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Re: Salvia confusion [Re: krin]
    #8039356 - 02/18/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The first time i smoked salvia I was in my bedroom by myself, had a very strong sense of a spirit guide, a green entity of an american indian that turned into and eagle and was watching me.

The first time i properly broke through I was with two friends, we had gone for a walk and found ourselves in an amazing bit of forest, lots of tall straight trees and rough sandy dirt on the floor, it was on a hill so we were overlooking down into the depths it was dark, cool and quiet(the perfect place really)

It was my first real experience of any magnitude, that completely destroyed my perception of normal reality, I lived for 60 years in a completely different realm :rocket:, and came back shit scared, I havent dabbled with salvia properly again, I have tried to break through a few times but without success. I may give it another go this year, with some extract this time though as before it was just normal dried leaf from a witchcraft shop :P


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