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ChronicBarry
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Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP.
#8035517 - 02/17/08 09:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've had my spawn casings incubating for about 6 days in a rubbermaid container on top of another rubbermaid with a fish tank heater. Check ont hem and the top one looks great. The casing closer to the bottom look like some weak myc! It's spawning around the edges but them middle doesn't look good. Could I have killed the myc by high temps?? I immediately took them out and put them at room temp to cool off. The sides of casing felt real warm (aluminum trays). Am I screwed? Could I have dried them out??
Basically, is there anything I can do? Nothing looks contamed but I'll post pics if anyone needs a visual.
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: ChronicBarry]
#8035550 - 02/17/08 09:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can you be more specific about what exactly you are growing? Spawn casings doesn't quite make sense to me.
Unless your house is real cold, you don't need to incubate in the first place. This is especially true in regards to colonizing bulk substrates, as the mycelial growth creates heat by itself. Incubating may have pushed the temperature of the one on the bottom too high. My advice is to allow those to colonize at room temperature. Good Luck.
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im_on_a_boat
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: ChronicBarry]
#8035553 - 02/17/08 09:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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pics would be helpful..
what temps where they at?
they should recover if you didn't get them too hot..
i'd just leave them out of the incubator if your room temp isn't too cold..
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ChronicBarry
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
#8035671 - 02/17/08 09:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry guys It's WBS spawning to coco coir and coffee. I think thermal death is 106F and my temp showed 83F where the healthy looking tray is. So internally, at the bottom casing, I'd say the temp is like 95F . They're at room temp now, so hopefully they can rebuild.[
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Two different casing. The bottom one looks the least healthiest.
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im_on_a_boat
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: ChronicBarry]
#8035724 - 02/17/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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doesn't look like you mixed it up very good, but it should recover..
is that uncased?
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
#8035945 - 02/17/08 11:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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line the bottom of your tit incubator with a couple towels to dissipate the heat, rather than have the bottom of your sub sit on the hottest part (directly on the bottom). and please for shrooms sake cover them up and forget about them for another 6 days. every time you open the lid to take a peek at the progress, you create turbulence and introduce nasties into the uncolonized coir. keep them covered with some filtered holes to allow gas exchange. giving them FAE by opening them a lot im sure will slow things down, allow your substrate to dry out and maybe cause premature pinning. also it looks like its on the carpet on the ground....eek
sweet. good luck
anyways.
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ChronicBarry
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
#8036135 - 02/17/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's uncased, still in the spawning run. i layer the WBS opposed to mixed. Wanted a contam barrier on the top.
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ChronicBarry
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: ChronicBarry]
#8036919 - 02/18/08 07:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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In regard to 'This guy,' I did have a towel at the bottom of my incubator. I still believe it got too hot in the incubator. I've been using the incubator for pint and quart jars and every dropped the temp 3 degrees on the fish tank heater b/c i knew my substrates would put off heat.
Also, i know I shouldn't have checked so soon but it's been 6 days and I used alot of spawn and got curious. Normally, they are covered with foil that has holes poked in them. The substrate was put on the carpet for picture taking purposes only.
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: ChronicBarry]
#8036977 - 02/18/08 08:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The second to last pic shows what heat can do to a casing-the right side of that picture was exposed to heat above 90*F and it killed every pin/primordia/shroom on that side of it. This casing was going to fruit realy nice untill I left the damn thing next to my radiator heater-yeah even I make mistakes at times
  
   This pic shows the damage really well: Just look at all those aborts
 And this is what I got out of that casing=a whopping whole 21 grams dry

Sorry for posting all those pics in your thread, but I thought you could use the info.
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ChronicBarry
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: doc34]
#8037240 - 02/18/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks doc. I guess I should expect a lot of aborts. I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best. Thanks for eveyones help too.
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: ChronicBarry]
#8038293 - 02/18/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey man. try covering them with some suran wrap, or some press n seal,.. kind of tape it down in some spots to ensure it stays sealed.
then after you cover it with press n seal, get a nail, or small round metal object (paper clip straitened out or something) and get it really hot and poke/melt about 5 or 6 tiny holes(but large enough for gas exchange). then cover the holes with micro pore tape. and u'll be good and able to check the trays whenever you want, without allowing any contams a chance to take hold.
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Re: Incubated my spawn casing at high temp! HELP. [Re: This guy]
#8038434 - 02/18/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I always case and place, there is no need to re-incubate the casing.
Your first set of pins will come from below the casing layer, and your second will come from both below and the top casing layer where hyphal knots formed.
Try a case and place and you will likely get larger second flushes then first, and really healthy third flushes as well.
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