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Invisibletahoe
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WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!!
    #8034563 - 02/17/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I see all these post and questions about soaking grain and simmering grains. I also still see that people think that sunflower seeds cause contams. This is very untrue. As for soaking or simmering for hatching endospores and lowering the risk of contaminants I would say it isn't necessary for wbs although I would recommend it for rye.

I used to mix wbs and water at a 2:1 ratio in the jar and pc for an hour and everything was good as far as contaminants go. The grain would be a little lumpy but shaking the jar while it was still warm would take care of this problem. Now I do something a little different and I am very happy with the results.

With either Rye, which is a much better spawn/substrate for growing, or wbs I simmer and rinse. I find that there is no need to soak to kill endospores or to get the right moisture content. This is with both grains.

So here it is with pics. I only needed to make one jar and I wanted to demonstrate this using both grains so I took 2 cups wbs and 2 cups rye and put them in a pot. (The same pot that I melted the syringes in last night)
The wbs

Adding the Rye. You can see the dust coming off the rye. This stuff is dirty

Adding water. I usually fill it to an inch or two above the seed. Water content will be figured out later

I bring it to a boil and then turn it down and put on the lid

I then scoop the sunflower seeds out. I do not try to get all of them. These will not cause contams, they will not screw up the water content, they do not have bad oils, they do not increase the potency of active species. The only reason I remove them is for better consistency of the grain. Consistency isn't meaning water content.


I take a seed out and pinch it. You do not want a dry core. it should be soft, wet, and the shell should be intact. Again this is for consistency, not for contamination. Cracked seeds stick to others
Notice the amount of water that is still in there


Now I drain the excess water off of it and rinse. Notice the dark brown syrup coming off of it. This is the sticky stuff.


Now I rinse until the water is clear. It only takes a minute. I also use cool water to cool the seed. If hot grain is left out it will continue drying out which is not what you want.

I jar it up to just about 3/4 full. If the grain was sticky or lumpy this would be way too full. There would not be enough head room to break up the lumps.


Here is a video of the grain 2 days after it cools and it has not been shaken yet.


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: tahoe]
    #8034816 - 02/17/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree on one thing in here, Rinsing after you soak/simmer is just better imo...The reason I don't rinse until the waters clear is because Dead Stuff gives nutrients to the grains but if your using coffee, gypsum, lime, manure in the soak...It'd be best if you didn't rinse after words and just rinsed before hand for the simple fact is your washing the gypsum, lime off...I'm pretty stoned right now so my wording isn't on board. I hope this makes sence haha


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: tahoe]
    #8034819 - 02/17/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

delete this post please


Edited by dumbfounded1600 (02/17/08 01:55 PM)


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8035023 - 02/17/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

rinsing away nutrients?? Maybe its happening but it is minor. This stuff is used as spawn for bulk items. I would never use wbs for fruitings.


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