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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: TacticalBongRip]
    #8038518 - 02/18/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:yawn:


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8038524 - 02/18/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think its past someones bedtime...

but seriously im tired too, neither one of us can come round to each others thinking as we both beleive what we beleive, just know i once didnt beleive in any divine existence too, the thought would make me laugh.

it amazing how everything changes impermanently, all i beleive is theres something else which escapes this change.


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: TacticalBongRip]
    #8038530 - 02/18/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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TacticalBongRip said:
Orgone,

If faith is for the weak-minded, then would that not make you weak minded as well?

It seems you label faith as a negative because you think you don't have faith in any sort of belief system (at least that is the implication I get from your original post).




he has faith in his belief that all people who have faith are simple minded, he can not prove that everyone with religious, spiritual faith are simple minded. so he ether has alot of faith or is simple minded, or both


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038534 - 02/18/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

As they are only exclusive ín their regarding context (science/philosophy=how, {religion}/spirituality=why), they're well fit to supplement eachother.


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8038550 - 02/18/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ok cool, and both can incorporate how & why, to be honest the huge advances in science i wouldnt be suprised, i mean it IS in our nature to evolve to the divine so why not through scientific evolution as well as spiritual experiential evolution.

your completely right BlueCoyote


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038580 - 02/18/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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just know i once didnt beleive in any divine existence too, the thought would make me laugh.





Here we finally get to the crux of the matter.

Once you were certain there was no divinity.

Now you are certain there is divinity.

One or the other of your positions was totally flawed. Yet your certainty has no affect on what is or is not. It is all mind-stuff.


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8038689 - 02/18/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I agree its all mind stuff.

My faith in there being no divinity was based in having no experience of it.

"Why should i beleive what the buddha or jesus says they're just humans like me"

But after the experience of the divinity i am now a believer.

The fact im even saying this is quite funny, just a few years ago i was swaying one way or the other, i never even really beleived in religeous experiences, i thought they were just nutty old women in church going "praise tha lord!!!" and letting snakes bite them and stuff like that!

But now i get it (not the snake thing!) can see why you cant be happy for me because you think my happyness is based in fake faith, but its my hapyness before that was placed in fakeness.


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038710 - 02/18/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You were certain of your position before, but now this is the 'real' certainty', eh?


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8038733 - 02/18/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I wasnt certain beyond a doubt, i am now.

Theres no much more we can say, all i can tell you is what i believe, all you can tell me is what you beleive in, all i know of you is what you dont beleive in, im sure you believe in something, yourself if nothing else.

That used to be my motto actually and still is in a way

"i dont believe in god, i beleive in myself"


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: Chronic7]
    #8039557 - 02/18/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Off topic: Why does everyone think there is something wrong with the ego and being ego-driven?


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: Redstorm]
    #8039634 - 02/18/08 07:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think everyone thinks there is something wrong with the ego. I think it is more of a concern with letting oneself become too egotistical or self-important as that would get in the way of learning. :2cents:


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #8041014 - 02/18/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so did those guys get on the mothership?


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: mycophagist]
    #8041541 - 02/19/08 03:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

theres nothing wrong with the ego, except it can makes us do stupid things, the less ego based we are, the closer you are to the true self (these are the buddhas teachings) while in human form some form of ego will always be present, the less, the closer to the true self.

the self we tend to think of is impermanent, its always changing, so as long as we keep changing for the better it will at least be a heathy ego, evolving instead sitting stagnant in a pool of fakeself.


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: Chronic7]
    #8042115 - 02/19/08 10:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

except it can makes us do stupid things,

There is no it, there is only you.


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: Icelander]
    #8042250 - 02/19/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You're only saying that because your not schizo...


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8042256 - 02/19/08 10:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What about schizos??


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8042282 - 02/19/08 10:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Cheese-flavored Schizos are my fave. :yesnod:


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Re: Having Faith is for the weak-minded [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8042290 - 02/19/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Urine flavored skeptics are my grave.


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