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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineMushroomTrip
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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8036474 - 02/18/08 02:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Really?
I didn't know you were SUCH a fearsome little bunny :smirk:
But that's even better for me. :naughty:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8036666 - 02/18/08 05:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

And I get accused of derailing this thread?


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: mushbaby]
    #8036670 - 02/18/08 05:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:hehehe:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: mushbaby]
    #8036701 - 02/18/08 05:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

mushbaby said:
And I get accused of derailing this thread?




You should be ashamed. :mad:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8037521 - 02/18/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Facts are always contextual. The context lies outside one's head.
Opinions are always contextual, too. Their context lies within the head.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8038378 - 02/18/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

Humble lurker said:
I am of the opinion that there are no facts. Nothing can be proven to be real for certain.




Huh....?
Is it a fact or opinion that I just quoted what you said....?


>^;;^<




That depends if you quoting is true reality or not. I cannot prove either way.


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8039062 - 02/18/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Humble lurker said:
Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

Humble lurker said:
I am of the opinion that there are no facts.  Nothing can be proven to be real for certain.




Huh....?
Is it a fact or opinion that I just quoted what you said....?


>^;;^<




That depends if you quoting is true reality or not.  I cannot prove either way.




Don't you have to prove that there is another reality before you can say that this one isn't the "true reality"....?
This is the reality that I quoted you in.....    :smirk:


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."

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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8042675 - 02/19/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Think of it this way though. If a radio wasn't invented then how would you know if radio waves existed?

I cannot receive other realities or even much of what is within this assumed reality!

Based on this knowledge it would be assuming to think what we humans perceive is true complete reality.


How can I be sure that you did quote me at all? I cannot, nobody can. We can only pretend to be convinced this is reality.

By your logic, if you tell me a coke is a pepsi then I have to believe your coke is a pepsi even though if I knew everything I would know it was a lie?


Is a "burden of proof" argument even rational in a debate of true reality?


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8042684 - 02/19/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

How can I be sure that you did quote me at all? I cannot, nobody can. We can only pretend to be convinced this is reality.




That is so deep. Nothing quite as mind-boggling as 'stoner' philosophy. :rolleyes:


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8042706 - 02/19/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ad hom, eh?

Good last resort when you have no argument to debate with or just wish to demean a poster for no reason other than to build your own perception of reality.

I'm not a stoner. :sorry:


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8042753 - 02/19/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

How can I be sure that you did quote me at all?




Because he just quoted you. That is not debate nor philosophy, it is just plain old nonsense.


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8043164 - 02/19/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

To claim to completely understand what reality is would be to claim to be God.

My point is simply that we know very little of what reality is.

As I don't claim to be God, I shall not pass judgment on the actual nature of reality. I can only state that nobody knows for definite what reality is.

If you think this is non-sense then please let us know what reality is, I'm sure everyone is keen to hear.


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8043459 - 02/19/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How could anyone possibly ad hom you? Quotes and words have no reality according to your expressed views (except when you want them to?) Try to be consistent in your illusions.


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: Humble lurker]
    #8044376 - 02/19/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Humble lurker said:
By your logic, if you tell me a coke is a pepsi then I have to believe your coke is a pepsi even though if I knew everything I would know it was a lie?




This example is very different then mine....
You don't have to know everything about reality to see that I quoted you....

In your example, I would only tell you that if; there was only one Coke and one Pepsi, and you wanted the Pepsi....
I don't like Coke....  But I would also tell you the truth after my Pepsi was gone.....  :tongue:



Quote:

Humble lurker said:
Is a "burden of proof" argument even rational in a debate of true reality?




There is only one reality that I am accustomed to....
The perception of the reality can be altered, but as far as I have seen, it is only the perception that is altered....
I understand the working concept of the life of a 2D "flatlander" person Vs. the life of a 3D person.... 
But being 3D myself, how would I be able to comprehend more than the 3D....?
Just as the 2D flatlander can't conceive the 3D realm....
Why....?   
2D man may be immersed in the 3D reality, but it is inconceivable and unbeknownst to him because it is not the true reality he resides in....


Edit:
To understand (in case you don't) the 2D "Flatlander" thing, it is like a person in a flat drawing, a plane....
Like the surface of a calm pool of water would be the only reality a "flatlander" would know....
As a 3D person passed his hand thru the surface of the water,
the flatlander would only see the flat cross-sections of the hand in 2D as it passed thru the plane....

If the water froze, the Flatlander would become an Icelander....    :tongue:


>^;;^<


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I'll be your midnight French Fry....  :naughty:

"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."

>^;;^<


Edited by PhanTomCat (02/19/08 08:07 PM)


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Re: Fact vs. Opinion [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8046855 - 02/20/08 11:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Nobody knows true reality because we humans don't understand reality.  We have a few observations on what we see happening.

Ignore my point.

Illusion?  :rotfl:


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