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Spore mess affect future primordia/pin growth?
    #8033755 - 02/17/08 05:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hey I have some cakes growing and for some reason or another I am unable to pick them fruits atm. I have a giant spore mess all over my cakes. Do cakes covered in spores some how affect primordia growth negatively? thanks for the input in advance


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Re: Spore mess affect future primordia/pin growth? [Re: Psychiatrist]
    #8033757 - 02/17/08 05:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The cakes will be fine just give them a good dunk after the first flush.

Use a coffee dunk for better results. :wink:


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Re: Spore mess affect future primordia/pin growth? [Re: Wolfgang]
    #8033800 - 02/17/08 06:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do not dunk your cakes in coffee, coffee is to be used prior to sterilization/pasteurization of substrates, It is a nutrient.

When you dunk your cake just re-roll in verm and give it the recommended rest period of 48-72 hours prior to fruiting again, the old mycelium will colonize the new verm layer and create a new surface area for pin development.


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Re: Spore mess affect future primordia/pin growth? [Re: HybridprX]
    #8033833 - 02/17/08 07:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Do not dunk your cakes in coffee, coffee is to be used prior to sterilization/pasteurization of substrates, It is a nutrient.

When you dunk your cake just re-roll in verm and give it the recommended rest period of 48-72 hours prior to fruiting again, the old mycelium will colonize the new verm layer and create a new surface area for pin development.




If someone hasn't already used in their substrate there is nothing wrong with dunking your cake in diluted coffee water. I've noticed definite boosts this way.


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Re: Spore mess affect future primordia/pin growth? [Re: Wolfgang]
    #8033920 - 02/17/08 08:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What parts coffee/water you using, I wouldn't mind to have another trick in my bag if it works.... it works.

As you said HybridprX "It's a nutrient."... why shouldn't I dunk my cakes in something they LIKE to eat?


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Re: Spore mess affect future primordia/pin growth? [Re: Psychiatrist]
    #8033940 - 02/17/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Give the cakes a dunk in between flushes and you shouldnt have to worry much about spores being on cakes.

I never use coffee... Just boil a big pot of water, let it cool then use a plate to keep the cakes submerged over night. The cakes should get all the nutrients they need from the substrate. Using coffee water just sounds like a way to introduce bacteria and what not. I have never tried it tho.


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Re: Spore mess affect future primordia/pin growth? [Re: baraka]
    #8033997 - 02/17/08 08:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You do not want standing nutrients left on your cake even if its 100% colonized, even if washed after the dunk the mycelium still needs to recover from the cold shock so it is not the mycelium absorbing the nutrients it is being absorbed into the vermiculite itself. Then you need to give the mycelium 48 hours to recover and in that time all kinds of molds can set in, say there is a piece of vermiculite that didn't colonize so well (like Ive seen a hundred times) that piece is likely to contaminate after being stuck in the fridge.

With water its different, its only water, no nutrients to it at all.

Ive explained this to the best of my ability but if you are hell bent on trying a coffee soak dont say I didnt tell you so. Remember, I've done this stuff already :p

the last time I soaked a rye cake in coffee water the whole thing looked great and then a week into fruiting it turned into a greenish/blueish sludge... yea... experience will tell you what you can and can not get away with.


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Re: Spore mess affect future primordia/pin growth? [Re: HybridprX]
    #8034020 - 02/17/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I can tell you form experience I've had amazing results using coffee dunks, I've had 5+ flushes with a noticeable boost in performance and no increase in contams.

Some people it works for others it does not, I think an important factor if one does use a coffee dunk is not to re-roll the cakes in vermiculite after each dunk. So there is little chance a piece of vermiculite doesn't colonize all the way and is more prone to contamination.

Madnessinc I used medium strength coffee diluted with 50% water.


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