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Prof. Angstrom
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The beginnings of my project with bonus questions!
#8033440 - 02/17/08 01:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So, I have this plan to finally get my shit going and to do a very detailed grow log for all of you to see, however, I am finding it a bit difficult to get the final details nailed down. I am on a limited budget, but this is what I am going to order:
1. Presto 16-quart pressure canner 2. Ralphsters 3. MycoSupply:
3lb Crushed Oyster Shell 5lb Organic Rye Grain 3 bricks of Coco Coir 1 case quart WM canning jars 125g Calcium Carbonate
Now for the details that I can't quite decide on:
I want to use a monotub. I don't want to mess with shit as its expensive as hell from the suppliers, and I don't want to look like an idiot going into a garden supply store to buy a huge bag of dookie and reading the back to make sure it doesn't have any anti-fungal additives. I was thinking of using verm, coir and coffee with some crushed oyster shells and a bit of calcium carbonate for my casing. I have seen several posters using this basic formula with great results, but the thing I can't find a clear answer on is the ratios of these ingredients to the amount of rye spawn I will be using.
So far I'm up to about $180 (budget total $270), and the only things that I see that are left are:
The tub itself. Hygrometer / thermometer, hard time finding Polyfill RTV Silicon to make self healing injection sites Fishtank heater to make a Heatbomb, or incubator (which one?) Duct tape Plastic bin to make simple still air box Gloves Face masks
And that's about all I can think of this time around, does this list look about right? Think I might be able to purchase the rest of this with that money I have left, I'll admit I have not priced some of this shit. I have had experience making jars before (BRF/Verm) without a pressure canner, and in a filthy house and only lost 3 out of 4 dozen, the casing on the other hand, well, we won't talk about that...
I know its a lot, but I'm just trying to not shit this whole thing up, and to make sure that I have everything right before actually placing the orders.
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Prof. Angstrom]
#8033674 - 02/17/08 03:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Things you don't need:
Gloves Still air box calcium carbonate (you already had crushed oyster shell, serves the same purpose) Face mask(s) Hygrometer/Thermometer (monotubs regulate their own humidity. thermometer isn't need unless you live outdoors. Room temp is fine) Duct tape?
You don't need gloves, masks and glove boxes for inoculating jars, unless you are doing so with grain to grain transfers or agar wedges. You want to spawn at a minimum of a 1:5 ratio spawn to bulk sub. If you have 1 quart of colonized rye, you can spawn it to 5 quarts of coir. You don't have to be precise with measurements of coffee, coir and oyster shell flour. Use a filters worth of spent coffee to a brick of coir, drop about a half cup to a cup of oyster shell flour in and spawn your rye to it.
There are a ton of posts with people detailing how they did their grows. I like to keep it simple. This was simply a quart of colonized WBS spawned to about 1/2 a brick of coir in a mini monotub:
 
No casing, no oyster shell flour, no coffee. It was just WBS spawned to coir that wasn't even pastuerized and left alone in the monotub. Don't complicate things.
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Wolfgang

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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: FooMan]
#8033677 - 02/17/08 03:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You didn't even pasteurize your coir?
Did you microwave it or anything? What ratio did you use?
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auweia
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: FooMan]
#8033977 - 02/17/08 08:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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FooManShroom said: Things you don't need:
Gloves Still air box calcium carbonate (you already had crushed oyster shell, serves the same purpose) Face mask(s) Hygrometer/Thermometer (monotubs regulate their own humidity. thermometer isn't need unless you live outdoors. Room temp is fine) Duct tape?
You don't need gloves, masks and glove boxes for inoculating jars, unless you are doing so with grain to grain transfers or agar wedges. You want to spawn at a minimum of a 1:5 ratio spawn to bulk sub. If you have 1 quart of colonized rye, you can spawn it to 5 quarts of coir. You don't have to be precise with measurements of coffee, coir and oyster shell flour. Use a filters worth of spent coffee to a brick of coir, drop about a half cup to a cup of oyster shell flour in and spawn your rye to it.
There are a ton of posts with people detailing how they did their grows. I like to keep it simple. This was simply a quart of colonized WBS spawned to about 1/2 a brick of coir in a mini monotub:
 
No casing, no oyster shell flour, no coffee. It was just WBS spawned to coir that wasn't even pastuerized and left alone in the monotub. Don't complicate things.
You forgot to add to the list of 'things you don't need' You don't need to take credit for other peoples work. It's absolutely true that if you if you really try, you can actually come up with something on your own
You would be believable and possibly even have credibilty if you didn't take credit for other peoples work

image is simply flipped from my original
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Prof. Angstrom
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: auweia]
#8034189 - 02/17/08 10:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cool, so the crushed oyster shell (its the chunky kind) will be enough of a pH buffer without the calcium carbonate? Hey at least cutting out a few things will save some money and allow me to make sure I stay within my budget, because if I don't, the wife will be angry. I will be placing the orders for the stuff probably tomorrow and once everything gets here, I plan on starting a thread so everyone can gawk and comment, it should be a hoot.
Thanks for the assistance and I look forward to hearting what more of you have to say, and look forward to posting my grow thread. Maybe someone out there will find it entertaining and or beneficial to their own project.
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Wolfgang]
#8034230 - 02/17/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wolfgang said: You didn't even pasteurize your coir?
Did you microwave it or anything? What ratio did you use?
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FooManShroom said: This was simply a quart of colonized WBS spawned to about 1/2 a brick of coir in a mini monotub:
Basically, I hydrated the coir to field capacity with warm tap water, then spawned a single quart of spawn to it. It really was that simple.
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: auweia]
#8034302 - 02/17/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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auweia said: You forgot to add to the list of 'things you don't need' You don't need to take credit for other peoples work. It's absolutely true that if you if you really try, you can actually come up with something on your own
You would be believable and possibly even have credibilty if you didn't take credit for other peoples work
You took a picture of nature and call it "your work" 
Check the other thread for real "work" pics. Enough, Drama Queen.
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auweia
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: FooMan]
#8034335 - 02/17/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok, so you're admitting it's my photo. please remove it or take it out of you're signature

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asknoquestions
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: auweia]
#8034615 - 02/17/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The internet is serious business.
In other news, you really don't need a heater/incubator. You should take a thermometer and check around your house for a dark, dry spot that is not disturbed that stays 70 degrees or above. The little cabinet above the fridge will work.
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Prof. Angstrom
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: asknoquestions]
#8034715 - 02/17/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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asknoquestions said: ...you really don't need a heater/incubator. You should take a thermometer and check around your house for a dark, dry spot that is not disturbed that stays 70 degrees or above. The little cabinet above the fridge will work.
And you know I didn't even think about that cabinet and do not use it for anything, until now anyways...
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Cheesekiller
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Prof. Angstrom]
#8034857 - 02/17/08 02:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This TEK was how I really got into the DT idea. First time I tried it I finished with 15 Oz dryed. Total work time plus fruiting took about 6 weeks.
If you look at my links down in my sig you can see one of my flushes from last summer.
DT's work great and are somewhat automatic. I'm not sure about coir (I haven't tried it), but at the horse farm near me (about 20 min drive) Horse poo is free, and the farmers are cool. After all it is a great organic compost.
-CK
-------------------- Bulk grower with "some" success. Cloning Machine Nice Lids A few pics of my DT setup
Edited by Cheesekiller (02/17/08 02:08 PM)
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Prof. Angstrom
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Cheesekiller]
#8034880 - 02/17/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Woo, I like the lid tek, might have to find some of those lids...
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Prof. Angstrom]
#8034996 - 02/17/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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your main investment here should be towards an all american pressure cooker....
buy four syringes
get a vicks cool mist from k-mart
2 10 gallon tubs
aquarium heater
45 gallon tub with flat top and some plexi glass for the top
coir from pet store... verm from lowes.. you won't need the buffers black cow poo from lowes also just grab a trash bag and pick up loose straw from the outside of the straw trailer
wbs from wal-mart
poly fill
tyvek from ur post office or office depot
Edited by Tomandjerry58 (02/17/08 02:49 PM)
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Prof. Angstrom
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#8041016 - 02/18/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I really appreciate the suggestions you all have made so far. I was doing some looking around before I commit to buying the supplies and I happen to run across an All American 10.5 quart Pressure Cooker for CHEAP and I just had to get it. $121 bucks shipped, BAM!
I will order the rest of the shit in the next few days, fucking serpentine belt broke on my car and I have a bad tensioner pulley...the mechanic thinks...
-------------------- 1st grow complete, boy what a ride! 2nd grow will be the same as the first, only better!
Edited by Prof. Angstrom (02/18/08 11:51 PM)
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Prof. Angstrom]
#8062626 - 02/23/08 10:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, a bit of an update here, got 95% of my stuff on the way, should be here next week and then on with the show. The question that I have was, while standing in Wal-Mart looking at Sterlite containers, for some reason I got the 58 Quart as I thought that the 20 Quart looked too small, should I take this one back and exchange it, or, should I just adjust the recipe a tad?
The last things I need are:
Ralphsters Jars Gypsum
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Prof. Angstrom
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Prof. Angstrom]
#8075101 - 02/26/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another update:
Got pressure cooker, tested it out, very happy with it. MycoSupply still on the way. Free print from doc34 (PESA...WOOHOO!) Wife forgot envelopes and stamps, Ralphsters will go out tomorrow. Still looking for jars. Got gypsum, errr, rather I had it all along. I have two 9 foot pieces of drywall, sheet rock or whatever you call it, so once I take a saw to it and smash it up I should be good to go! Got another tub, its a 27 quart Sterlite will use the other one as a still air box later one when I start jacking around with more advanced tek's.
I figure 3 quarts of colonized grain and 15 quarts of Coir with coffee and oyster shell added by volume, measure, drill holes slap some polyfill in there put the lid on and wait...right?
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Prof. Angstrom]
#8075113 - 02/26/08 10:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe you wanna wait till fri to send your order to ralphsters. he is having a leap year special that you might wanna take advantage of.
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Prof. Angstrom
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: zero cool]
#8075137 - 02/26/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh no shit? See, this is why I'm loving it around here, people who actually give a damn and try to help us little guys out with nuggets such as this, thanks will wait. 
EDIT: Hell yeah, I like cheap.
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Edited by Prof. Angstrom (02/26/08 10:45 PM)
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Prof. Angstrom]
#8130195 - 03/11/08 12:29 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Update time!
So I have everything I need to get started, syringes are in the fridge:

I just have a couple of questions about the way I decided to go with my lids. Here is a pic of the three holes that I drilled for gas exchange, I used the same drill bit for the inoculation holes as well:

Is this ok? Here is what the lid is going to look like when its done, however I have not sealed the filter disc wedge into place yet, I was thinking of using the same RTV silicon (being careful not to get it into the holes) that I used to make the injection ports, and yes I know my picture taking skills suck, and the lid looks sloppy, but that silicon is kind of tricky to work with and it fucking stinks:

Other pics of the ports:

So, are my lids gonna do me right? Grow log thread to come with pictures out the ass!
I would also like to thank Ralphsters for quick service, and doc34 for the PESA print!
Edited by Prof. Angstrom (03/11/08 01:21 AM)
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Re: The beginnings of my project with bonus questions! [Re: Prof. Angstrom]
#8131265 - 03/11/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bump for the day crew, and RR (if your around... )
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