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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8038585 - 02/18/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #8038846 - 02/18/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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that reminds me....
another thing I despise is when people think you cant despise something since you havent experienced it firsthand.

have you ever eaten a turd? have you ever squished it through your teeth? then how can you be disgusted at 2girls1cup?

i had two grandparents die from cancer... and they never felt the need to tell people they were survivors and make speeches about how through personal hardships with cancer they are now fit to make hallmark commercials.

Im really starting to cheer for cancer so more "survivors" arent around.




i don't want to sound like a dick.. but if they both died from cancer, then they didnt survive it.

that could be why they didn't preach about being a survivor.



i kind of agree with you. but i kind of don't.
to survive cancer, has got to be intense.. and an extremely great thing for someone with cancer.

holocaust victims DEFINITALLY deserve the title of survivor, as you said.. i think its a great term for someone who actually survived something life threatening, otherwise the term is worthless.

if thats what you're trying to say, i don't really know.


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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: igwna]
    #8038876 - 02/18/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Surviving hardship or illness as a matter of luck or fate is nothing commendable.

Surviving hardship or illness based on resourcefulness, discipline and strength is something else altogether.

Most (declared) terminal patients that survive belong in the first category.


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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8038901 - 02/18/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

okay, now i see where he's coming from.
thank you for clearing that up orgone.

i can kind of agree.

but still surviving something life threatening through LUCK has still got to FEEL amazing.

its not like you're bragging about getting through a day or something, you're bragging about surviving a LIFE THREATENING illness..

i think thats intense enough to say you're a survivor.
i mean.. you survived something that KILLS people.
i think the original poster, yawninganus was it? just doesnt like these stupid ass peolpe getting well and start insisting it was fate or god or some stupid bullshit nonsense. (edit: which i can totally agree with)


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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: igwna]
    #8038983 - 02/18/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have a few thoughts on this subject. I too have run across it plenty. While I do think getting cancer, or having a heart attack and "surviving" the ordeal would be significant, people have a tendency to turn themselves into heroes over it. I mean, if I got cancer and beat it, I'd be fuckin' pumped, and it would probably have a significant impact on my life. Like I got a second chance you know? Those people do have to look death in the face.

That said, I do get annoyed with the rhetoric around it. Like someone said earlier, if they find some skin cancer and take it off right away, not such an ordeal. Even the big stuff doesn't really make you a hero. Plus there's all that stupid language about the "will to live" and "being strong". I'm sure that you do need to face some stuff, but to me it inherently implies that those who don't live weren't strong, or didn't want to live. That's bullshit.

And to compare them to holocaust survivors is most definitely a false analogy. In sooo many ways that I can't even be bothered to get into them.

As far as the will to live debate goes, I sincerely doubt that it is ever the determining factor as to whether one "survives" or not, but I have heard that people with strong family ties or spiritual beliefs (i.e. strong support systems) tend to do better throughout the whole process. "Better" being a fairly subjective word.

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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: rexmundi]
    #8038997 - 02/18/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Plus there's all that stupid language about the "will to live" and "being strong". I'm sure that you do need to face some stuff, but to me it inherently implies that those who don't live weren't strong, or didn't want to live. That's bullshit.





Exactly. I had a niece that 'fought the good fight' against leukemia. She was a brave little trooper and died a horrible death at age nine.


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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8039190 - 02/18/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

hey, i'm sorry for you loss man.

a lot of fucked up things take a lot of good people.


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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #8039551 - 02/18/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's nearly as bad as people who get called brave for the exact same things.

'Her parents died, she's so brave' etc etc.


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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: Thin White Duke]
    #8040449 - 02/18/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

If nothing else, surviving terminal cancer suggests good pre-cancer lifestyle choices. As somebody who subsists on fast food and never exercises, I commend that.


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Re: I despise the term "survivor" [Re: igwna]
    #8042555 - 02/19/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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YawningAnus said:
that reminds me....
another thing I despise is when people think you cant despise something since you havent experienced it firsthand.

have you ever eaten a turd? have you ever squished it through your teeth? then how can you be disgusted at 2girls1cup?

i had two grandparents die from cancer... and they never felt the need to tell people they were survivors and make speeches about how through personal hardships with cancer they are now fit to make hallmark commercials.

Im really starting to cheer for cancer so more "survivors" arent around.




i don't want to sound like a dick.. but if they both died from cancer, then they didnt survive it.

that could be why they didn't preach about being a survivor.




well my grandmother had breast cancer for 13 years, which they thought after they cut off her tits that it was gone. so there was a time where she could have proudly sprinted the block a la steve prefontaine shouting "I beat Cancer".
and that was in the 80's when no one was beating cancer.


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