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poof
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Im at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE.
#8031890 - 02/16/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I pasturize my hpoo at 160F for two hours (i just throw it in the water and stir for two hours), then i add my verm/perilite/gypsum, and add some of the poowater to it. Then i add my fully colonized healthy white spawn [mazapatec, which i have failed 3 times in a row with, never had this problem before with other strains], lay it down in my shotgun monotub covered with foil, add a foil layer on top, then leave it to sit in a 75-80F hot water bath (room temp is 60F), covered with a few sheets to keep in the warmth and keep out the light. I mist every day with a 10% h202 solution and change out the foil every few days, making sure to clean my hands and arms with alcohol, while wearing a dust mask and a cap.
So as i have mentioned in my other thread, trich ripped through my INBUATING SUBSTRATE from a tiny grain to the ENTIRE FUCKING THING in 24 hours. Its was about 75% colonized and it had only been a week. I had followed every expert reccommendation on the process (mostly RR's) and i have actually gotten the worst result ever despite it. Ive grown other strains in dirty conditions with poor light and no FAE, with it raining down from the damn lid and gotten at least one flush.
So what the hell is going on here, why the fuck did this trich?
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Re: Im at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: poof]
#8032071 - 02/16/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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When colonizing spawned bulk substrate, don't use the shotgun style fruiting chamber. It was designed for PF cakes.
You want only passive GAS (NOT air) exchange while colonizing bulk. This would be through micro-pore tape or poly-fill. You can also poke really small holes in plastic wrap covering the top, then cover that with crumpled and somewhat smoothed out tin foil. You crumple it a little bit so that it doesn't just sit flat on top of the plastic and defeat the purpose of the holes.
I think you got some teks mixed up. For a mono-tub, you need a closed container. In fact, most people never open there mono-tubs the whole entire time they grow. Just when they fruit, to pick them.
I know it can be challenging at first, but every failure is only going to make that first success that much more worth it!
and good luck!
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poof
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Re: Im at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: d4a2n0k]
#8032217 - 02/16/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn, how could i have missed that the shotgun was only used for PF cakes. The thing is i wanted to use my coolmist to supply a constant stream of fresh air during fruiting so I went with the shotgun design cause 6 1" polyfilled holes provided too much resistance for it so i figured nix the polyfill and just use a bunch of tiny holes, but i found this searching for info on the shotgun
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7361319#7361319
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I misted regularly and made sure to raise the box 4 inches off the shelf with plastic spacers. This morning I checked the pan and found..... spots of trichoderma! NoOooooOOOO! I thought all the FAE in the shotgun FC made it almost impossible for trichoderma to get a foothold? Damn. I really liked this idea too..
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I lost every single one of my cakes to trich in the shotgun setup. Luckily my casings are all still OK.
So apparently the idea of having open holes in any terrarium is foolish, which is strange the idea came from an expert. I have no idea who to listen to anymore.
Fuck it though, i had to mist every day because of that stupid design, but it still doesnt explain why TOO MUCH AIR EXCHANGE CAUSED TRICH.
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: d4a2n0k]
#8032231 - 02/16/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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1. Stirring your manure in a huge bath like that is straight leaching your manure of it's valuable nutrients, this is why people pasteurize in jars or bags, jars preferably, anyways. 2. Exposing it after it's been in the water when it's fully hydrated even in the top facilities sterile environment your prone to contamination greatly. 3. You soak it again when it's not fully colonized? what? 4. There's no reason to use h202 during misting. 5. Your fucking with it too much already. 6. Change your sterile procedure if your not getting the jars down correctly you'll have one hell of a time with bulk.
You could have a high % of bacteria spores in your home..if I were you I'd dedicate an entire room to it so you can cancel out the bad/good.
These are some of the things I'd change with it...now that I read...your Sterile Procedure needs to be tweaked and get rid of the fucking polyfill and drill 1/4 inch holes throughout the container...with smaller holes giving better air currents the contaminants can't get a hold of the substrate...Contaminants love stale slow moving air.
Edited by dumbfounded1600 (02/16/08 06:55 PM)
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poof
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8032390 - 02/16/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You know, the moment i started listening to people on here was the moment i began failing. But d4a2n0k is correct, a simple neglected monotub with a half dozen polyfilled holes was all it took for me to have great success in the past, i dont know why i ever thought anything else would work.
Oh, and the idea that trich thrives in stale wet environments, bullshit, if anything my sub was a bit dry with way too much air exchange and it got hit worse than any soggy swamp-bottom monotub environment.
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: poof]
#8032454 - 02/16/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds like your spawn was contaminated to start, improperly sterilized jar that had UN-germinated spores, even though it may have looked fully colonized there more then likely was some UN-colonized verm/grain sections that looked good to go.
It's happened to me before with some Orissa casings, sent me nuclear on my own ass, kinda like pulling the pin on a hand grenade while its still attached to you lol. Meh, what can you do?
Try again.
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: poof]
#8032466 - 02/16/08 07:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Boy, you sure became an expert fast. I'm sure the forum full of people who do this all the time must make it alot HARDER to succeed. I'm getting out of here before i start to fail!
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dumbfounded1600
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: Broooodward]
#8032561 - 02/16/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, and the idea that trich thrives in stale wet environments, bullshit, if anything my sub was a bit dry with way too much air exchange and it got hit worse than any soggy swamp-bottom monotub environment.
No thats correct...How do you think it works in nature....I don't see contamination on mushroom spots though...why? because it has unlimited FAE the more FAE it has the less a contaminant can really grab a hold on the substrate!...sounds like to me your house just has a high % of contaminant/bacteria spores. Im sure you were fruiting on the floor as well?
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8032603 - 02/16/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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no, my FC was elevated and sitting in a warm water bath. My house could have a high contamination %, but thats odd considering i never get sick.
Ok, alternate theory: God hates me.
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8032606 - 02/16/08 08:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If trich spores are present and they germinate, FAE isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. Trich will grow nicely in the nutrient rich and moist environment provided in your fruiting chamber. It's cobweb mold that is avoided by constant FAE.
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: FooMan]
#8032734 - 02/16/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol, look at what i found
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7772787/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1
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The reason why the tub is so dry is because you followed RR's advice, quit fucking trying to make something harder then it is. The tek suggest polyfil for a reason, don't NOT use polyfil. It filters air and allows humidity to stay within the tub.
not using polyfil in a monotub is bad advice and should never be taken.
Monotubs don't need fae, it's set it and forget it, follow the fucking tek for success, change shit and follow RR's advice and you have this shitty tub like you have.
fuck, i spent like a week reading all of RR's advice, now i need some sort of drug to unlearn it all.
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: poof]
#8033790 - 02/17/08 06:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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RR knows more about cultivation then most on these board, the guys a professional mycologist for christs sakes, he's done things with mycelium then some of us could only dream of.
So instead of complaining about how YOU fucked something up, re-read and open up your minds abit better, RR is a stifler for sterility but only because sterility is key to success. Now, like I said, I HAVE spawned trich jars to coir/coffee grounds and I HAVE successfully fruited them and I HAVE printed them.
The reason it worked was when I removed the colonized rye it was in large chunks, fully colonized.... No area for trich spores to set in, I do not tumble my rye jars just for this reason, you can still separate a bad jar if you do not shake it, it may take a few days extra for it to colonized but in the end if something does so happen to go awry you can still safely use that spawn just as long as you have enough time and patience to remove the sections that were colonized from the kernels that are only partially colonized.
Now kids, play nice before I go nuclear, I am Pr0_X not some dumb new kid who claims he knows it all, I've made more then enough mistakes for the 10,000+ members of shroomery, heed my advise and if your not comfortable with it or the more senior members of shroomery then dont use it but then again there's allot of senior members who just stick to what others have done and dont stray outside the box. Thats what I do
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: HybridprX]
#8034191 - 02/17/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Trust me 'poof' you want a terrarium with sufficient Air Currents with a lot of holes...You'll get better pin sets trust me! The #1 pinning trigger is FAE and 90% of contamination causes are from insufficient air exchange...COME ON! your going to listen to jeeterd...that twat still uses 100% vermiculite casing layers ... and thinks you have to incubate in the dark and a bunch of outdated shit! Learn from the mods here and some people like azurescens, tahoe,...M=RR, Agar, Hyphae, ... Those type of people
If the trich was already in the terrarium to begin with then yeah it's gonna fuck with you...if I were you I'd sterilize your entire room and make it more lab like by putting plastic down over the rug or floor and around the walls and if it's in your room put plastic over your furniture and big matter stuff, it's easier to clean also(IT'S YOUR STERILE PROCEDURE IN WHICH YOUR ARE GETTING CONTAMINANTS I KNOW SO..ASK ANY MOD HERE IF THEY TYPE IN THIS THREAD)....get JARS down first as you've failed to do so...ALSO..there's no reason for you to incubate your FC..It'll do fine in room temperature 68-70F INFACT ... fruiting at those temps will 1. Better Fruit Quality. 2. Easier To Control Picking Time. 3. Easier To Control Evaporation.
Take some green spores and drop it on a patch ou
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Re: Im at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: poof]
#8034492 - 02/17/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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poof said: I pasturize my hpoo at 160F for two hours (i just throw it in the water and stir for two hours), then i add my verm/perilite/gypsum, and add some of the poowater to it. Then i add my fully colonized healthy white spawn [mazapatec, which i have failed 3 times in a row with, never had this problem before with other strains], lay it down in my shotgun monotub covered with foil, add a foil layer on top, then leave it to sit in a 75-80F hot water bath (room temp is 60F), covered with a few sheets to keep in the warmth and keep out the light. I mist every day with a 10% h202 solution and change out the foil every few days, making sure to clean my hands and arms with alcohol, while wearing a dust mask and a cap.
I saw your post and I thought "Fuck he is doing everything wrong" and i didnt even want to get involved but then I noticed that Dumbfounded had pointed out just about everything that you are doing wrong. No shot gun tub, you shouldnt have to mist you bulk substrate-it should be wet enough to colonize, do not even attempt to use a trich infected spawn, do not incubate that tub is a warm bath-that is just asking for trouble, grow some fucking cakes and learn what you are doing first, dont listen to hybridproxx, make sure your syringe is sterile, do the pf tech first, stop trying too hard-its actually very easy, dont listen to hybridproxx, grow some cakes first.
Did I mention not to listen to hybridproxx and to grow some cakes first?? Do not try to apply all these differnt techs into your one grow, clean your room, get a clean syringe, dont put tubs/casings/fc's on the carpet. Wait until spring and its warmer than 60 degrees in your room and you already know who not to listen to??
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: poof]
#8034540 - 02/17/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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poof said: lol, look at what i found
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7772787/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1
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The reason why the tub is so dry is because you followed RR's advice, quit fucking trying to make something harder then it is. The tek suggest polyfil for a reason, don't NOT use polyfil. It filters air and allows humidity to stay within the tub.
not using polyfil in a monotub is bad advice and should never be taken.
Monotubs don't need fae, it's set it and forget it, follow the fucking tek for success, change shit and follow RR's advice and you have this shitty tub like you have.
fuck, i spent like a week reading all of RR's advice, now i need some sort of drug to unlearn it all.
You did absolutely EVERYTHING possible wrong, and now you blame everybody but yourself. I would NEVER recommend using a shotgun type terrarium as a monotub. I would never recommend doing any of the things you did wrong that have all been pointed out above by others. Quit blaming those who would help, if you would only listen. Before you call anyone else an idiot, post a few awesome grows so you at least have a leg to stand on. RR
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8034557 - 02/17/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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RR Level ---------- Tahoe level ------ poof level .
Edited by dumbfounded1600 (02/17/08 12:38 PM)
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
#8034626 - 02/17/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dumbfounded1600 said: RR Level ---------- Tahoe level ------ poof level .
hahaha, wrong!!! poof level negative ------
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: tahoe]
#8035038 - 02/17/08 02:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was just reading through my rating and then I started thinking back to when rr and roadkill would get pissed off at me for calling the noobes idiots.
Speaking of idiots. We need to stick to one or the other. Is it newb's or noobes. It should be newb's but I see it both ways all the time.
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: tahoe]
#8035075 - 02/17/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you got alot of good advice already... remember when i told that ur pasturization tek was very messy.. well its probably ur problem....
ditch the verm, gypsum, crap mix whatever the hell that was. you need to get an oven bag and just straight poo... i would use a commercial grade compost prefrebly black cow from lowes anything but organic.... add a little distilled water to bring to feild capacity.(when u squeeze it drips out of ur hands) it shouldn't pour out of ur hand. put in oven bag then place in oven on cookie sheet. then pasturize thats it..
i think ur problen is ur water content if it is too high ur gonna experience bacterial contamination.. ... also u have narrowed it down u have got the grain part of the process wipped u just need to work on pasturization.. good luck man.. pm me if you need any help. i will be glad to walk you through this stuff. but you have to follow exactly what im tellin you
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Re: I'm at the end of my wits here. Ive done EVERYTHING and gotten NOWHERE. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#8035925 - 02/17/08 10:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I saw your post and I thought "Fuck he is doing everything wrong" and i didnt even want to get involved but then I noticed that Dumbfounded had pointed out just about everything that you are doing wrong. No shot gun tub...
Do you ever listen to yourself speak? You just agreed with him and said the opposite of what hes saying. God you people are stupid, but hey, stupidity seems to work well for most people on here, ill try whatever method which uses the least amount of thought and then i can grow an a big enough ego to know it all and make everyone else aware of it.
And as for you RR, everything i did was pieced together from everything you've ever written, but seriously if you going to give bad advice based off the success you seem to have from having a contaminant free environment to work with, then at least put a fucking warning after all of it describing that your advice only works with a level 5 cleanroom.
And speaking of which, as i mentioned before ive grown in the dirtiest motherfucking shit-stained carpeted humid fucking house perched right on the edge of a fucking swamp, and the most sterile techniques ive ever applied during the spawning and fruiting process was washing my hands after i wiped my ass, and never, not once did i not get at least two flushes out of it, no fucking FAE, no fucking light, sitting right on the damn carpet with all the fleas that my dog managed to drag in.
And all of that was with a plain ass monotub, never once watered or fanned, no additives, no anything, and i always managed to pull in a few dry pounds after it was all said and done.
But fuck your noise, this is too all the noobs out there, once you find something that works for you dont ever let some ego-tripping piece of shit grow nazi tell you that theres a better way. If it aint broke, dont fix it.
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