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Vista or XP
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I'm about to build a new computer in the next month, and am wondering if I should just install XP on it or go ahead and try Vista...i will probably be trying to set up a triple boot in the long run, OSX, a linux flavor, and windows.
Kinda just wondering if Vista has been improved upon yet...
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: supra]
#8031470 - 02/16/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd stick with XP unless you want to play games that use DX10. You probably don't have a DX10 card anyways. I think Vista sucks, and so does XP. XP just sucks less.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: supra]
#8031478 - 02/16/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Although Vista is great, it lags on a amd athlon fx-70 with 4gb of memory, i would still wait a few more years to switch to vista, win2000 ftw
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I have a DX10 card, but I won't be installing Vista.
And with the way things are going, I think windows 2000 will be the pinnacle of microsoft operating systems.
Lolzors. Firefox's English dictionary suggests replacing the word "microsoft" with fascist as it's first recommendation.
Actually, it's recommending fascist and racist with each word I misspelt.
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Vista may end up being the last universally adopted operating system developed by Microsoft. It's terrible.
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damn...so its that bad.
I will be buying a higher end graphics card, got about 300 for that part, and an intel quad-core q6600 processor, so it would definitely handle vista, but if it sucks that bad, I will just stick with xp
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: supra]
#8031670 - 02/16/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's just my personal opinion. I think it takes up too much space, uses too much memory, and doesn't add that much functionality.
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SheerTerror said: Although Vista is great,
you must work for microsoft.
To the OP: working with vista is about as desirable as cutting your own nuts off. It seems like it'd be cool at first, but it gets old REAL fast.
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yea i know, i did however with a brand new pc enjoy some of the new features with vista but yea its buggy, irritating, and lags.

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Visionary Tools said: Lolzors. Firefox's English dictionary suggests replacing the word "microsoft" with fascist as it's first recommendation.
 XP is my favorite. I'll wait a year or two to get vista, after they sort all their shit out.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: bmiles]
#8031892 - 02/16/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yea thats true, i like Linux, im gonna build a box for around $300 and put linux on it, i could never use linux as a main OS. and mac blows, theres no where to turn
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: supra]
#8032927 - 02/16/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you're gonna run a windows OS go with XP. Its been by far the best for me. I haven't tried Vista yet but I've heard nothing that would make me want to!
I'm lucky to have a realative that works for MS. I can get official full-version copies of anything Microsoft makes at about 10% of retail. No fussing with cracked, downloaded copies is a good thing.
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ToTheSummit said: I haven't tried Vista yet but I've heard nothing that would make me want to!
Actually Vista is what Santa now uses instead of coal for the bad kids.
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Dude I deal with vista all day and it sucks balls, we have customers bring in there vista box's and want us to install xp on it. Most of the boxes don't have any drivers for xp so there stuck with vista and the customers are usually giant assholes to begin with so I don't feel bad for them. Go with xp Pro, word is M$ extended support to 2011 for Pro.
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Go with XP or Win2k even as much as a cannot stand windows those are less a pain in the arse. I personally would not worry about OSX, if you have windows and linux you'll be able to do everything you need to with bought and open source software. As for linux, there are many flavours available, too many to try, you may even want to look into BSD. Eitherway don't touch SuSE, i found it as frustrating as windows. But Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo etc and their derivatives are all worth a try until you find what you like. Depends what you're after, something easy or something complex, barebones or bloated... http://www.distrowatch.com for info about linux and bsd releases
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what are you going to do with the computer, gaming? I don't think that 2000 would be able to handle a quad core, like how 98 couldn't handle a processor over 2.0 ghz, part of the M$'s planned obsolescence. You watch sp3 for xp is going to have a time bomb ticking in it oops we must have put a 1 where a 0 should have been but we don't care vista aerobullshit isn't it cool? we thought so, you should buy it against your will and do all our beta testing and make it better for everyone in 7 years while we buy more duct tape to put out next piece of shit together then we'll force that shit on you after vista has finally become somewhat stable.
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Microsoft states officially:
“Microsoft Windows XP Professional and Microsoft Windows XP Home are not affected by this policy as they are licensed per installation and not per processor. Windows XP Professional can support up to two processors regardless of the number of cores on the processor. Microsoft Windows XP Home supports one processor. “
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If one is not doing gaming i would not even bother with Windows. Linux all the way IMO. Did not know win2k might be like that hmmm. It was always my fav version of windows. WinXP Pro for gaming for sure. Vista, yeah, flag for now. Though in saying that, linux is certainly catching up with games like Quake Wars ET being released natively. Of course, It all depends what you're into, even windows gamers enjoy Sauerbraten heh.
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well, I have a separate linux box that I run, I'm sure I will put a flavor on my new one, maybe the new PCLOS when the come out with it. You guys have already helped me make teh decision to just stick with xp on it...
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still runnin win2k here.. :P
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: supra]
#8036336 - 02/18/08 12:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah maybe wait for the new PCLOS to come out, i've tried PCLinuxOS2007, was not pleased at all. Choosing a linux distro generally comes down to what you want to do with it. One day i may give up mepis (despite how much i love it) and build a debian machine from bare bones with only the software i need and without the crap i don't need.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: GWAR]
#8036344 - 02/18/08 12:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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you should have done a poll, tex. but, i think overall the general consensus is that xp ownz.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: GWAR]
#8037640 - 02/18/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Run Vista if your PC is newish (Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad or AMD X2) with at least 2gb of ram. It's noticeably faster than XP with almost everything but marginally slower in games.
Edited by satcom (02/18/08 12:06 PM)
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8038549 - 02/18/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmmm another microsoft employee...
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8038739 - 02/18/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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nah Vista is really slower with everything. Try running applications, especially graphics applications and try rendering 3d images, it way too slow on Vista.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8038784 - 02/18/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
satcom said: ?
everyone knows that vista is the worst thing to ever happen to computers, except for microsoft employees and people who have never used anything else.
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I don't know. I've ran both OSs on this computer (Q6600@3ghz, 2gb ram). XP was CLEARLY slower booting up and opening programs. I know you couldn't say the same for a Pentium 4/D, or anything older.
Edited by satcom (02/18/08 04:41 PM)
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8038822 - 02/18/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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vista will die just like windows me
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: bmiles]
#8038831 - 02/18/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The point though is that vista will run with nothing less than a 6600
that, and it's WAYYYYY more buggy than XP. while you're computer is crashing, i'll still be posting here with my xp.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: bmiles]
#8038836 - 02/18/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh yea, i forgot about ME, i had a emachine with ME on it way back. Satcom win2k is faster then xp
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GoodbyeOrb said: The point though is that vista will run with nothing less than a 6600
that, and it's WAYYYYY more buggy than XP. while you're computer is crashing, i'll still be posting here with my xp.
Right. Don't run Vista with anything other than an Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad or AMD X2 and less than 2gb of ram.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8038864 - 02/18/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Now you've got the idea.
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Why the hate?
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8038956 - 02/18/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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B/C vista is Bill Gates' premature orgasm, and is basically a $400 beta.
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vista is 400$??? what a ripoff
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8038967 - 02/18/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong, i'm not a tech guy screaming that microsoft is fascist and linux is the only proper way of life, I don't even use linux, i'm running XP on all of my comps. It's just that Vista has no business as an OEM install on computers meant for the general public. It's buggy and deficient.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: GWAR]
#8042749 - 02/19/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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still runnin win2k here.. :P
I am certified in win2k and dual boot with XP. Win2k is great. I have no plans to down..errr upgrade to Vista.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: supra]
#8043667 - 02/19/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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my IT guy told me that vista is problematic. stick w/ XP...
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robbyberto said: It's just my personal opinion. I think it takes up too much space, uses too much memory, and doesn't add that much functionality.
But is it possible to trim it down and disable all the crap like you can with previous versions?
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Vista does use a lot of space, but who cares. Are you still using a 80gb harddrive or something? As for memory, you won't have a problem with more than 2gb, which is the norm now, even with the pagefile/virtual memory turned off. Vista actually USES ram instead of letting it sit there to precache programs for faster startup, as I understand it.
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Not as much as I would like. I can only get Vista down to about 32 processes.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8046706 - 02/20/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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satcom said: Vista does use a lot of space, but who cares. Are you still using a 80gb harddrive or something? As for memory, you won't have a problem with more than 2gb, which is the norm now, even with the pagefile/virtual memory turned off. Vista actually USES ram instead of letting it sit there to precache programs for faster startup, as I understand it.
I beg to differ. I would say the majority of computer users are still working with 1 gig of ram. Also, the part about it using up all the RAM would explain why it is slow and prone to crashing.
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I've never used Vista on anything with less than 2gb, but I've yet to see it crash since I first installed it in August or September.
I'm going to reiterate: If you have a new pc with 2gb of ram or more get Vista. It will be noticeably faster. If you've still got a Pentium 4 or D or AMD equivalent or less than 1gb ram, stick with XP because Vista will be slow.
Edited by satcom (02/20/08 11:02 AM)
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8046745 - 02/20/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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My biggest problem with it wasn't that, but that it was so damn big, and all the popup confirmation boxes get annoying as hell. Ultimately though, I'm going to switch to Linux on my primary PC, as the free part is too attractive.
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I turned that UAC shit off withing 60 seconds of installing Vista.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8046762 - 02/20/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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All in all though, I don't really see where it is an improvement over XP. Maybe you have some thoughts on this as you seem to use it regularly...
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
#8046763 - 02/20/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I use vista and it's great. Didn't have to personally install any drivers and I have yet to see any spyware/adware. No crashes or anything. Silky-smooth.
I bought ultimate for $20 through my University.
I love how people say all this shit about how terrible it is without even trying it, just because of the windows stigma.
Yes, the release wasn't as smooth as it could have been. Yes, Vista uses a greater amount of resources than most operating systems. But I've yet to experience a single problem. Every XP machine I've ever used had to be reformatted and reinstalled periodically due to random corruptions of OS files and other stupid shit.
Give credit where credit's due, people.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: satcom]
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OP: Go Windows XP 64-bit edition (x64) --it has the benefits of XP with the extra ram support of a 64-bit OS. (Meaning you can exceed 3.5 gigs of ram if you want to.)
The only downside is, I've heard it's sometimes hard to find 64-bit drivers for all your hardware. However, I just built a new system with x64, and I have not run into a single issue with drivers. I think that if you use modern parts, you're unlikely to run into this problem.
As for the Win2k supporters... y'all know XP is built on NT too, right? That's why it doesn't suck like 95/98/98se/Millenium. XP practically IS 2k. Technically, it's the successor. 2k was the new NT, and XP is a consumer port of 2k.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: joker_man]
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I actually have used Vista, for the record.
Also, i've never had to reinstall XP after a format, and I have it on 4 different machines. I hold nothing against Vista because of a "windows stigma." As stated, I use XP. But also as previously mentioned, I fail to see where there is any groundbreaking or otherwise necessary improvement that Vista offers over XP.
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Re: Vista or XP [Re: joker_man]
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joker_man said: Every XP machine I've ever used had to be reformatted and reinstalled periodically due to random corruptions of OS files and other stupid shit.
Every XP machine I've ever used extensively has been solid as a rock.
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GoodbyeOrb said: I actually have used Vista, for the record.
Also, i've never had to reinstall XP after a format, and I have it on 4 different machines. I hold nothing against Vista because of a "windows stigma." As stated, I use XP. But also as previously mentioned, I fail to see where there is any groundbreaking or otherwise necessary improvement that Vista offers over XP.
Word... except, explain to me how you can format a drive and then not reinstall the OS afterwards...
I'm going assume you meant "after the initial build" instead of "after a format"?..
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joker_man said: Every XP machine I've ever used had to be reformatted and reinstalled periodically due to random corruptions of OS files and other stupid shit.
Every XP machine I've ever used extensively has been solid as a rock.
I guess if that's your case, the I really can't offer you a really great reason to upgrade.
For me, it's the added security and durability that prompted me to switch. I've installed XP on several machines, and most always seem to eventually get some sort of quirky problem that drives me nuts. I used firewalls and anti-virus software in my installs, mind you. With vista, I didn't install any third-party firewall or antivirus and it has been doing great for seven or eight months.
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I'm going assume you meant "after the initial build" instead of "after a format"?..
Actually, when he said:
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joker_man said: Every XP machine I've ever used had to be reformatted and reinstalled periodically due to random corruptions of OS files and other stupid shit.
My response meant that I've never had to "reformat and reinstall periodically..."
Obviously you can't reformat without reinstalling, i've just never had to reformat in the first place. Nice try tho
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The only useful improvement in Vista is the search function. It is infinitely better in Vista. I turned off all of the fancy GUI stuff. Pointless.
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The box Vista comes in is useful for storing your stash in.
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