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Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer
    #8030835 - 02/16/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Saturday, February 16th, 2008

As the media prepares to launch another blitz of gun control propaganda in the wake of the Northern Illinois University shootings, it’s no surprise to learn that killer Steven Kazmierczak had been taking psychotropic drugs and that the campus was a victim disarmament zone - the two major factors which always breed this kind of tragedy.

Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, as well as 15-year-old Kip Kinkel, the Oregon killer who gunned down his parents and classmates, and Cho Seung Hui, the Virginia Tech killer, were all on psychotropic drugs. Scientific studies proving that prozac encourages suicidal tendencies and psychopathic behavior in young people are voluminous and span back nearly a decade.

Jeff Weise, the Red Lake High School killer was on prozac, "Unabomber" Ted Kaczinski, Michael McDermott, John Hinckley, Jr., Byran Uyesugi, Mark David Chapman and Charles Carl Roberts IV, the Amish school killer, were all on SSRI psychotropic drugs.

The press has tried to spin the fact that Kazmierczak was known to be on the same drugs by pushing the line that he was off his medication. Whether as a result of side-effects or during actual use, psychotropic drugs are admitted to increase psychopathic behavior in young people, read any bottle of prozac and you will see this fact freely admitted.

Gun free campus zones, as was the case again at Northern Illinois University, contribute only to ensuring victim disarmament and a friendly environment for the killer to conduct his rampage unopposed.

The media automatically blame the second amendment whenever a school shooting takes place, but when law-abiding people are allowed to own guns, the fatality toll is always reduced, as was the case at Virginia Appalachian School of Law, where Peter Odighizuwa shot three people dead before other students were able to retrieve guns from their cars and put an end to the carnage before there was more bloodshed.

85% of Americans support the right of a principle or a teacher to have instant access to a safely stored firearm in order to defend the lives of students and prevent a school massacre, but a drive is already underway to disarm more victims and grease the skids for more horrors similar to what unfolded on Thursday.

Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago has already seized on the tragedy for the political purposes of pushing gun control, asserting Friday that the incident provides the latest evidence gun control legislation is needed.

The shootings coincide with an imminent Supreme Court decision on whether or not to overturn the handgun ban in Washington DC, a case that could set the precedent for other cities with strict gun control. Many in the past have noted that school shootings almost always closely precede important legislative gun control cases.


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Re: Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8030856 - 02/16/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe they were on psychotropic drugs because they were FUCKING NUTS.

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The press has tried to spin the fact that Kazmierczak was known to be on the same drugs by pushing the line that he was off his medication. Whether as a result of side-effects or during actual use, psychotropic drugs are admitted to increase psychopathic behavior in young people, read any bottle of prozac and you will see this fact freely admitted.




Kaz was 27, off his meds and
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was in the Army for about six months in 2001-02, but he told a friend he'd gotten a psychological discharge.



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8URHMOO2&show_article=1

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Re: Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8030904 - 02/16/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Correlation does not equal causation. Being on the meds did not necessarily cause the shootings. There are other variables to consider (as Zappa stated) that perhaps the shooters' mental instability is a more likely causal effect.


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Re: Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer [Re: Redstorm]
    #8033792 - 02/17/08 06:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
Correlation does not equal causation. Being on the meds did not necessarily cause the shootings. There are other variables to consider (as Zappa stated) that perhaps the shooters' mental instability is a more likely causal effect.




Yes, but clearly the correlation suggests that anyone interested in preventing these types of tragedies would look at the individuals who are on these psychotropic drugs, and start investigating from there, instead of, as the article referred to, a movement agansit guns, simply a tool that was used to carry out the underlying problem.

Thus, surely, even though the drugs themselves might not have caused them, society is not doing enough to bring special attention to the people who end up on these drugs, so that the true cause can be observed and effective means of treating these individuals to prevent these occurences.

If America was truly sorry that these killings occur, it would work together to resolve the cause, instead of focusing instead on an inanimate object as though it were to blame. The way in which they died was not the problem, it was why it occured.

People just don't really understand the reality around them, and are quick to obscure internal causes of something by placing blame on an external object beyond our control. Most reasonable individuals understand that guns are not the problem and they respect the right individuals have towards having guns, realizing, in fact, the benefits of gun ownership for a safe society. They realize that legislation that prohibits the ownership of guns will simply create incentive for a violent, criminal industry, putting the guns into the criminals hands really. :shrug:

Perhaps its time for humans to start focusing inward and to begin understanding the nature of their mind so they can begin to resolve the root causes of tragedies of suffering like this one, instead of trying to take the rights to freedom away from everyone out of fear and ignorance. :smirk:


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Re: Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8033802 - 02/17/08 06:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe they were on psychotropic drugs because they were FUCKING NUTS.




Yeah, they probably were. Giving them SSRI's doesn't help.

Have you ever worked in a mental ward? I have. Time and time again, when someone was getting sectioned, seeing them having a fit is a distressing thing. And time and time again, in nearly all (not a small minority, not a few rare cases, but nearly all) the cases I worked with, the patients were either on a course of SSRI's, or just coming off.

Guns should not be outlawed, otherwise you'll get a situation you have here, where only the outlaws have guns.

And whilst I'm on working in mental wards, it pissed me off no end. Instead of realising that these medications were exaserbating the patients condition, what did they do? Change the SSRI to another type, upped the dose, and prescribed a course of anti psychotics to go with it.

It's like throwing fuel on a fire, wondering why it's getting hotter, and thinking "Oh, I better give the fire more fuel before it gets worse!" And occasionally dumping a bucket on water on it. It doesn't work.


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Re: Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8033808 - 02/17/08 06:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Learn how to quick-reply, I never said that and its a dashed bally outrage you would associate me with that quotation. :razz:

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Re: Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8034307 - 02/17/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Gun free zones are victim farms ready for harvest.


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Re: Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8034853 - 02/17/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry, it ought to have had the person's name in there.

Besides, it's like nothing you'd write.


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Re: Psychotropic Drugs & Gun Free Zones Again The Cocktail For A Killer [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8036854 - 02/18/08 07:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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As the media prepares to launch another blitz of gun control propaganda in the wake of the Northern Illinois University shootings, it’s no surprise to learn that killer Steven Kazmierczak had been taking psychotropic drugs and that the campus was a victim disarmament zone - the two major factors which always breed this kind of tragedy.



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