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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8034219 - 02/17/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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The new king would have undergone 'death' by means of a potion administered to him by the high priest in the gathering of the inner group of the holders of the royal secrets. This drug would have been a hallucinogenic that slowly induced a catatonic state, leaving the new king as inert as any corpse. As the hours of the night passed the potion would have worn off and the newly made Horus would have returned from his sojourn with the gods and past kings of Egypt. The return would have been carefully calculated so that the new king returned to consciousness precisely as the morning star rose above the horizon. From that moment on no mortal would ever think about usurping his power, divinely given in a council of the gods in the heavens above. Once the members of the king's elite, the 'holders of secrets', had decided whom to raise to the sublime and unique degree of Horus, the time for any possible competition had passed. (page 110)

What then of the suggestion that a narcotic drug was employed to 'transport' the new king to the stars and back again? As we have already stated, there would be no record of this potion as there is no real record of the coronation ritual at all. It seems reasonable that there is no record of the massively important moment of king-making because no one knew what it was; the candidate took the potion, travelled to the stars and returned the king and Horus. All his earthly team had to do was present him with the trappings of office and ask no questions about the business of the gods, of which the king was now one. The king himself would no doubt have had strange dreams under the influence of the drug but was not, of course, going to reveal anything. By this process the king-making ceremony put the new Horus beyond all dispute as the divine choice of the gods as ruler of the Two Lands.

Narcotic drugs have been used in religious ceremonies in almost every ancient human culture and it would be surprising if such an advanced culture as that of the early Egyptians did not possess very sophisticated knowledge concerning their use. The question is not, could they have used such drugs? It is, why do we think that they would not have used them? The expected method for a man to reach the heavens in death was to traverse the bridge in life, usually with the aid of narcotics.

http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/hiram_key.html




When meditating tripping visualising AUM/Lifeforce/kundalini rising up my spine into my 3rd eye chakra i sometimes see the eye of horus.

I never even thought of this symbol so it was not a psychosematic vision.

I seem to get it on the part of the tirp i feel totally aware, where i have no questions, or answers.

I am now fascinated with it


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8034422 - 02/17/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I used to always draw it everywhere.
Like Horus rolling his eye on papers at work.

I forget which part of the brain is actually supposed to look like the eye.

I love eyes.

Pupils for some reason.

For awhile I was super interested in the possibility of an amanita OBE or NDE. (Astral travel??) After an experience of eating almost 2 ozs in tea, handcuffs, then handcuffed to a hospital bed experiencing frozen block-universe determinism, activated charcoal, 'Jesus our savior' playing on the radio, a heart monitor on my chest hair, and a night in the hospital... I thought wow that didn't go so well. I was into the idea of an Egyptian ritual style trip to the heavens, for sure. I guess I got the feared amanita hell. I thought they were the phoenix, right?? I wanted to fly.

All the doctor said in the morning was, "this is what we call a bad trip."

Right Doc.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8035514 - 02/17/08 09:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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'So tell me how entheognes "work"? What does that mean?'

Has to do with specific molecular structure and receptor sites.
Like MT said...
They do the job.




Then it's all in the brain and not some spiritual god thing.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8036833 - 02/18/08 07:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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backfromthedead said:
'So tell me how entheognes "work"? What does that mean?'

Has to do with specific molecular structure and receptor sites.
Like MT said...
They do the job.




Then it's all in the brain and not some spiritual god thing.




I really don't know how you separate the two.
If your brain is God...
Your brain is the spiritual God thing.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8036850 - 02/18/08 07:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I feel that we are at a time in history where concepts such as in here and out there are breaking down.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8037127 - 02/18/08 09:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Although atheists might argue that finding spirituality in the brain implies that religion is nothing more than divine delusion, the nuns were thrilled by their brain scans for precisely the opposite reason: they seemed to provide confirmation of God’s interactions with them. After all, finding a cerebral source for spiritual experiences could serve equally well to identify the medium through which God reaches out to humanity. Thus, the nuns’ forays into the tubular brain scanner did not undermine their faith. On the contrary, the science gave them an even greater reason to believe.

http://linuxmonkey.blogspot.com/2007/10/finding-god-spot-in-our-brains.html


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8037253 - 02/18/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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backfromthedead said:
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Icelander said:
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backfromthedead said:
'So tell me how entheognes "work"? What does that mean?'

Has to do with specific molecular structure and receptor sites.
Like MT said...
They do the job.






Then it's all in the brain and not some spiritual god thing.




I really don't know how you separate the two.
If your brain is God...
Your brain is the spiritual God thing.




I don't seperate them. I don't believe in a God concept.

IMO it's just all nature and your brain just does it's survival thing.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8037289 - 02/18/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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backfromthedead said:
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Icelander said:
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backfromthedead said:
'So tell me how entheognes "work"? What does that mean?'

Has to do with specific molecular structure and receptor sites.
Like MT said...
They do the job.






Then it's all in the brain and not some spiritual god thing.




I really don't know how you separate the two.
If your brain is God...
Your brain is the spiritual God thing.




I don't seperate them. I don't believe in a God concept.

IMO it's just all nature and your brain just does it's survival thing.




During the natural course of humans surviving on earth there has been ample evidence to suggest that there is a reality behind the God concept, imo.
Might you believe in Alien communication, a voice of the logos??
How do you explain the experiences that are being increasingly reported.
Mental illness?? Voices in the head?? What then??


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8037366 - 02/18/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What thought might the prover be proving??


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8037403 - 02/18/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

During the natural course of humans surviving on earth there has been ample evidence to suggest that there is a reality behind the God concept, imo.

Gee I haven't seen any and I think I'm a lot older than you. Please provide some.


Might you believe in Alien communication, a voice of the logos??
How do you explain the experiences that are being increasingly reported.

Mental illness?? Voices in the head?? What then??


Stress mostly. Mental illness, need for attention; death anxiety.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8037409 - 02/18/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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What thought might the prover be proving??




Duh! Any thought that the thinker thinks and is invested in. (which is about all of them)


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8037530 - 02/18/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I think they have shaped culture at the least, and at the most, affected the way our neurotransmitters recieve signals and interpret them. I do believe that there may be a omnipotent being but I don't think that psychedelics are giving some sort of insight into such things. I'd say any religious experiences on a psychedelic are due to programming into our minds (as humans and individuals).


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Boots]
    #8037758 - 02/18/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

When your out of your ego/human form you (well i can anyway) feel what the Buddhas and Taoists talk about, it makes perfect undoubted sense, all i cann do is wish this for others, trying to put it in words and rationalise it just brings confusion into the equation, i know it isnt just my brain trying to find an ultimate answer as i wasnt searching for it, it found me,  i felt it, then searched through buddhism and the tao for description of my experience.

In human form it is felt as pure awareness, being a part of everything, pure bliss, unattachment etc...

I believe with every fibre in my being of human consciousness that life evolves to evolve to this higher/highest consciousness, getting closer to what it is in its pure state (Nirvana)

Consciousness, awareness, life, purity, enlightenment, god, liberation, eternal Tao, Nirvana, its ALL the same thing that life exists for and because of.

This can and never will be prooved, i however have felt this, and know it to be true as do many others. This is "the point of life" to BE until it does not attach to BEing and simply IS.

See how it cant be put in words :shrug:

But the point is entheogens make you feel this, they make believers out of non believers. Or not as the case may be :smile:


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8037799 - 02/18/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i hope so.:sad:


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8037890 - 02/18/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You know so :smile: you really really really do!

When i try and rationlise it (which is a form of attachment) it makes no sense, the second i stop rationlising and quiet my mind is the second i realise.

Seeing the truth really is about not being attached to anything, its all an illusion, a distraction, a state of being and seeing hearing tasting touching, its all a multidimensional illusion, a manifestion of eternal life, the Buddha is so wise it fills me with bliss to be emptiness :grin:

The fact i wish this for others seems to make me arrogant to some, what a shame :smile: (for them)


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038052 - 02/18/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"This can and never will be prooved, i however have felt this, and know it to be true as do many others."
Do you hope it will be never proved, or do you know, or just feel ?

I 'feel', it was, is and will be proven..


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8038372 - 02/18/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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That forum was created because folk didn't like being challenged here.




Philosophy with training wheels and milk and cookies.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8038500 - 02/18/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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"This can and never will be prooved, i however have felt this, and know it to be true as do many others."
Do you hope it will be never proved, or do you know, or just feel ?

I 'feel', it was, is and will be proven..





when i said ive felt this and know it to be true, i mean the divine itself, not the prooving of...

I hope your right i really in my heart of hearts do, i just feel science trys to be god instead of prooving god, i just cant see how you can proove something like the ultimate truth, unless you locate a particle that is in absolutely everything.

but even then thats just prooving interconnectedness of samsara, not the true divine that we cnat even speak of, that which i have felt and know. bold statements but true.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8038727 - 02/18/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am largely off topic, I think, but imaging that particle you thought of, cruising with infinite speed through the reflective boundaries' (bouncing off) of our space, that is what you ask for, because that single particle could make up all space, as it is everywhere all at one..


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8038760 - 02/18/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thats would be great, that then could be the "god" particle. This particle would be LIFE & everyhting that makes it up.

But still i believe in Nirvana/Tao/Liberation (what this particle could be!) as i believe thats why live evolves, to return to being pure LIFE & everything, the more evolved, the more balanced, free of attachment to this so called reality of illusion, so then science would need to proove how this lifestream/mindstream/karmic debt gets rebirthed until it is fully aware and becomes this particle purely, eternally.

I only say this based on my beliefs through buddhism & experience.

I dont in the forseeable future see scientists even attempting to do this, how could they?

The god particle yes but not prooving rebirth until liberation, they would just laugh as many do.

But those of us who have felt it know it to be true (to us!)


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