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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8030777 - 02/16/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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'...conclude that it cannot be other than a divine cosmic connection to the godhead and much more special than fetching fuel and carrying water.'

Important experience none the less for some.
What makes something divine??




Of course it's important. So is fetching fuel and water. Both fulfill human needs. My point being that they are really not at all different most likely and we at least have some evidence to back up all that fuel and water carrying.:lol: To put one on a pedestal is most likely incorrect from the research we see on brain function. It's all one amazing chaotic mess IMO.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8030781 - 02/16/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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backfromthedead said:
'I don't have a problem with folk who have any spiritual belief until they come on like they know for sure that it is the truth.'

Entheogens work, this is the truth.
Finding God or spirit or spirituality is a great adventure.




It may be a great adventure for you but that doesn't make it any more than your imagination.

So tell me how entheognes "work"? What does that mean?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8030785 - 02/16/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They wake up early, get dressed and go to work :lol:


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8030789 - 02/16/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Evidence??
Christ!!
How much more do we need to convince people that this experience might be just as important as fuel and water??


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8030809 - 02/16/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe we can even find a little evidence to support it if we do more than just believe but also research.






That would be fantastic, i hope the swiss are looking into this as we speak, but still i think all that will be left is experience and faith, i dont think any scientific report can proove what we cant even theorize in words!


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8030819 - 02/16/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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backfromthedead said:
Evidence??
Christ!!
How much more do we need to convince people that this experience might be just as important as fuel and water??




Never said it wasn't as important, just said it wasn't more important. Plus there's no real proof that it is more important.

So how much more do you need? Lots because there isn't much so far.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8030870 - 02/16/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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but whatever floats your boat dude.


Gee thanks.:heart:

Have you ever considered that if these folk go over to the Mystery forum then it won't be under populated? This would be good for everyone don't you think?




you are not everyone, although it may appear that way at times.  some people don't like being around a place that has such bad stigma :thumbdown: it won't happen so easily.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8030880 - 02/16/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think they are both as important as each other, as essentially they are the same thing.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: deranger]
    #8030889 - 02/16/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It has a bad rep? Why? It's designed for those who just want to throw out their personal beliefs without challenge. There's nothing wrong with that IMO. It just doesn't belong here. That forum was created because folk didn't like being challenged here.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8030890 - 02/16/08 11:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

backfromthedead said:
'I don't have a problem with folk who have any spiritual belief until they come on like they know for sure that it is the truth.'

Entheogens work, this is the truth.
Finding God or spirit or spirituality is a great adventure.




It may be a great adventure for you but that doesn't make it any more than your imagination.




our interpretation may be imagination, but experiencing new depths of self-awareness in order to move through boundaries and hindrances is not.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: deranger]
    #8030924 - 02/16/08 11:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I have never argued this point.:thumbup:


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Icelander]
    #8031217 - 02/16/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'So tell me how entheognes "work"? What does that mean?'

Has to do with specific molecular structure and receptor sites.
Like MT said...
They do the job.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8031225 - 02/16/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

'Plus there's no real proof that it is more important.'

A person that willingly straps a bomb to his neck and flattens a cafe is my proof at this time in history.


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8031255 - 02/16/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Like MT said...
They do the job.




Irony :smirk:
They do they job for SOME and for others... they don't :shrug:
Anything that might work for me will not do the same for you, and that's how it is with everybody.
Anything more turns onto religion. :hehehe:


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8031259 - 02/16/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It was a joke.:shrug::cheers:


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8031618 - 02/16/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The philosopher's stone (Latin: lapis philosophorum; Greek: chrysopoeia) is a legendary substance, supposedly capable of turning inexpensive metals into gold; it was also sometimes believed to be a means of making people younger, if not making them immortal. For a long time it was the "holy grail" of Western alchemy.

In the view of spiritual alchemy, making the philosopher's stone would bring enlightenment upon the maker and conclude the Great Work.[1]
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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8033810 - 02/17/08 06:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

We are all immortal, all you need to do is realise it.


:grin:

Waits for the flames...


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8034091 - 02/17/08 09:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The new king would have undergone 'death' by means of a potion administered to him by the high priest in the gathering of the inner group of the holders of the royal secrets. This drug would have been a hallucinogenic that slowly induced a catatonic state, leaving the new king as inert as any corpse. As the hours of the night passed the potion would have worn off and the newly made Horus would have returned from his sojourn with the gods and past kings of Egypt. The return would have been carefully calculated so that the new king returned to consciousness precisely as the morning star rose above the horizon. From that moment on no mortal would ever think about usurping his power, divinely given in a council of the gods in the heavens above. Once the members of the king's elite, the 'holders of secrets', had decided whom to raise to the sublime and unique degree of Horus, the time for any possible competition had passed. (page 110)

What then of the suggestion that a narcotic drug was employed to 'transport' the new king to the stars and back again? As we have already stated, there would be no record of this potion as there is no real record of the coronation ritual at all. It seems reasonable that there is no record of the massively important moment of king-making because no one knew what it was; the candidate took the potion, travelled to the stars and returned the king and Horus. All his earthly team had to do was present him with the trappings of office and ask no questions about the business of the gods, of which the king was now one. The king himself would no doubt have had strange dreams under the influence of the drug but was not, of course, going to reveal anything. By this process the king-making ceremony put the new Horus beyond all dispute as the divine choice of the gods as ruler of the Two Lands.

Narcotic drugs have been used in religious ceremonies in almost every ancient human culture and it would be surprising if such an advanced culture as that of the early Egyptians did not possess very sophisticated knowledge concerning their use. The question is not, could they have used such drugs? It is, why do we think that they would not have used them? The expected method for a man to reach the heavens in death was to traverse the bridge in life, usually with the aid of narcotics.

http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/hiram_key.html


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8034114 - 02/17/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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We are all immortal, all you need to do is realise it.




I also realised that i have to keep paying my taxes. :mad:


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Re: Entheogenic Evolution? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8034172 - 02/17/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

interesting excerpt

i always wonder what it would be like live in an ancient time, to have a conditioning that wasn't so stabilized, and to take a large dose of a hallucinogenic substance in the initiation chamber of a pyramid.

can anyone say astral travel?


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