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    #8030243 - 02/16/08 06:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

How do the people here in M & P view their experiences while tripping?

I held off trying anything psychdelic until I was about 23 because of all the weird stories I heard. When I finally tried it, it felt like it took me to a place I had already been. That place I'm at when I have dreams that come true or strong impressions of people. Not really the astral plane but that place where you are hyper aware. Once I realized this is where it took me, I relaxed and enjoyed the ride.

Most of my experiences have not been while I was tripping. But there's been some doozies while I was. However I find them rather suspect. Don't really trust them.

So what's your opinion?


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: mushbaby]
    #8030323 - 02/16/08 07:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For me, everything seems crystal clear. Like my eye site got really good, almost too good.I cant control my thoughts, this is why being around people who are not tripping is very annoying. I want to let it flow out, but then all the sober people laugh because they have no idea what im talking about. Thats why I spend my tripps outside, because my body feels like it can breathe, or be set free.

I guess you could say I mentally get claustrophobic.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Kombat Frank]
    #8030332 - 02/16/08 07:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Tripping to me is the Christ vibe.
An initiation.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8030365 - 02/16/08 08:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

For me it brings pure msytical experience that no matter hard we try we cannot describe in words, its sheds clear light on doubt.

It releases the ultimate truth before your mind, all thats left for you to do is recognize and realise this, then actualise it for eternal liberation.

See im still trying to explain it in words, but at least you asked my opinion this time :smile:

I think this forum (mysticism& paranormal) is my new home, the philosophy forum shouldn't be called philosophy & spirituality , as philosophy is theory, spirituality is pure truth that needs no theory, only faith.

yet LOTS of posters in that forum have no faith whatsoever, only philosophical cynicism.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: mushbaby]
    #8030455 - 02/16/08 08:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I tend to trust my experiences on a physical/mental/spiritual level, no matter what the catalyst.  Tripping helped to open my awareness to include infinite layers of reality and being within my own System, allowing me to continue my trip even when I wasn't tripping.  It's all one big trip anyway, one big state of mind:  LIFE!  :smile:

I have trust in myself because I am here and alive, and I am all I have, so I must trust and love.  Psychedelics have assisted in connecting to a genunine sense of trust and self-love within myself.  I don't draw the line between "tripping experiences" and "sober experiences" anymore.  It's all part of the same trip, and all experiences are worthy of introspection.  :thumbup:

edit: typo :wink:


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: MOTH]
    #8030500 - 02/16/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Cool. I'm glad everyone got what I'm trying to say.

I posted this here instead of P & S because, even though there are wise and intelligent people there, I just knew it would get derailed into a "Are psychic experiences real" which is not what I am asking.

Chronic I completely understand being at a loss for words. It does the same thing to me.

Nicely said Moth.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: mushbaby]
    #8030516 - 02/16/08 09:08 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

MOTH "its all the same trip"

Very true words!!!

Have you read be here now by ram dass?
from the way ive seen you post you should love it so much!


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Chronic7]
    #8030524 - 02/16/08 09:11 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You are the second person to recommend it. If I ever get to a bookstore (I live in BFE [bum fuck egypt]) I'll have to pick it up.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: mushbaby]
    #8030532 - 02/16/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Order off the net?

Also living in egypt should be a blessing no?

The nile, the pyramids....


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Chronic7]
    #8030538 - 02/16/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I hope that's a joke! Oh wait, you're not american. BFE means I live out in the middle of nowhere a very rural area. Also called the boonies or boondocks.

And I'm too frugal (cheap) to pay shipping. I've got a great used bookstore I go to occasionally.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: mushbaby]
    #8030549 - 02/16/08 09:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I see, kinda like sister screwing land :smile: Only playing


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Chronic7]
    #8030952 - 02/16/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ram Dass is so beautiful.  I have several of his books and hopefully can borrow the audio series from my friend once she's done with him. :wink:


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: mushbaby]
    #8031875 - 02/16/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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mushbaby said:

So what's your opinion?




Intention and Attention are the most important factors in any experience.
I agree that there is no 'sober', I trip pretty hard simply by drumming.

As far as psychedelics, I've found 'set and setting' to be extremely important.

When I dose at a concert or when camping without much preparation the trip is fun but not very constructive.

I once juice fasted for 7 days, drove to Sedona, AZ and ate 5g on top of Cathedral Rock Vortex.
That was the only time I have had contact with an undeniable Extra Dimensional Entity.

I once did "The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram" every day for 40 days,
and then ate an eighth in the circle and it was by far the most 'Mystical' trip I've ever had.

The experiences I prepared for and stated a purpose for were the most focused and transformative.

One of Ram Dass's best talks is about how he kept trying to stay 'high' but always came down.
I agree with him that entheogens only show what's possible, it's lots of work to get there permanently.

Here's a video of a great talk by him: An Evening With Ram Dass

Studying the works of the pioneers also help me to get the most out of my Self:

C. S. Hyatt - Undoing Yourself with Energized Meditation
Tim Leary - Info-Psychology: A Re-Vision of Exo-Psychology
E. J. Gold - The Human Biological Machine as a Transformational Apparatus
Israel Regardie - The Middle Pillar: The Balance Between Mind and Magic
Bob Wilson - Prometheus Rising: An Amalgam of Timothy Leary's 8-circuit Model of Consciousness
John Lilly - Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer: Theory and Experiments
Stan Grof - The Holotropic Mind: The Three Levels of Human Consciousness and How They Shape Our Lives

These guys were all greatly influenced by old-schoolers Al Crowley and G.I. Gurdjieff.

Crowley's The Book of Lies and Liber Aleph are his most concise, imo.
Ouspensky's In Search of the Miraculous helped me to understand Gurdjieff's books.

Reading only gets one so far though, the final secret of the Illuminati = DO IT Every Day.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Middleman]
    #8031983 - 02/16/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do what exactly??


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8031998 - 02/16/08 05:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Practice.

Any of those books will give you plenty to do. :lol:

Most important is taking time to relax the body and mind, really.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Middleman]
    #8032928 - 02/16/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

good post. i'm going to have to pick up some of that literature i haven't gotten to read yet. :thumbup:


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Middleman]
    #8033039 - 02/16/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Middleman said:


I once juice fasted for 7 days, drove to Sedona, AZ and ate 5g on top of Cathedral Rock Vortex.




Pretty awesome.  A few months ago I was looking for information on fasting combined with psychedelics.  I did extended juice and water fasting this past year and it's changed my life in many positive ways.  Lately I have wanted to try a long fast combined with a strong psychedelic dose just because I trust both methods and am curious about what would happen.  That might be an experiment for this upcoming summer.  :thumbup:


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: MOTH]
    #8033184 - 02/16/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was surprised that I felt no nausea like other 5g doses.

Evidence that it's not the shrooms that cause nausea while tripping but our toxic diets.

Though I did try to make myself vomit because I was so frightened by the intensity. :blush:


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Middleman]
    #8034006 - 02/17/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I've never been "in the scene" so to say with psychedelics and such. Or however you would put it.  :tongue: That sounded really old-fashioned.

It wasn't until this past summer I even discovered some people truly consider the mushroom sacred.  And I am in my 30's.  But sometimes there's a reason for timing.  When I was younger I would have been unable to utilize this info in a healthy manner.  Now it has me intrigued. 

Thanks for the info guys.  Think I'll start with Ram Dass.  The Middle Pillar looks interesting too.

The "do it everyday" though, Middleman.  That bothers me a little.  The more you "go there" the harder it is to leave.  Makes it really hard to function on a practical level for me.


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Re: Your opinion wanted [Re: Kombat Frank]
    #8035431 - 02/17/08 08:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

To me it was like living in two places at once. I was the person that lived in the physical world yet was another that was just born into the physical world.


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