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USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation"
    #8028041 - 02/15/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

afoaf got home today and he had a letter from his girlfriend that was a letter along with 6 tramadol and 6 vicodins. The package was left open in the mailbox at his house. with a stamp on the front that said "Package damaged in Handling by the Postal Service" followed by a hand-written "Under Investigation" on the envelop.

Now my friend plans on playing dumb and denying that he knew that the package would be carrying anything other than a note for him, along with his airline schedule.

Does he have anything to worry about? and what other suggestions can I give him?


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8028058 - 02/15/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Throw that shit in the river!


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: wickedscepter]
    #8028068 - 02/15/08 04:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

either eat the drugs or get rid of them...


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: wortiesbo]
    #8028075 - 02/15/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No the contents of the package were seized before he even got to the envelop.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8028125 - 02/15/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ha, theyll have to prove that they knew what was coming to them.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #8028138 - 02/15/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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ha, theyll have to prove that they knew what was coming to them.




Could that even be done?

Unless the contacted the original sender and asked? Even then it would be my friends' word vs. his girlfriends' word. It sounds like he is going to be alright he just needs to have someone else deliver his goodies instead of USPS.


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    #8028327 - 02/15/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: Chemy]
    #8028365 - 02/15/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Are you saying the pills were mailed in a letter envelope? Not even a bubble mailer that costs $0.50.




Im not sure. I didnt ask my friend what type of envelop im assuming just a normal letter envelop, that was probably his first mistake. Or his girlfriends' I should say. Dumb bitches.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8028366 - 02/15/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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ha, theyll have to prove that they knew what was coming to them.




Could that even be done?

Unless the contacted the original sender and asked? Even then it would be my friends' word vs. his girlfriends' word. It sounds like he is going to be alright he just needs to have someone else deliver his goodies instead of USPS.




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Hi *girlfriend* we received that package with schedule III narcotics. Now we want to help you, but you should know that you face five years in federal prison (21 USC 841) and 250,000$ fine that can't be discharged in bankruptcy. You also face charges involving the mailing of these substances.

All you need to do is tell us that your boyfriend told you to send those drugs, and we'll help you. We know its not your idea, and your a good person, but if you don't help us, we can't help you.





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Hi *boyfriend. We recieved that package your girlfriend shipped to you. Now we know your a good person, and we don't really care about you, cuz it was her that sent it, not you.

But you should know that you face 5 years in jail and 250,000$ in fines for your part in the interstate distribution of these drugs.

All we need is for you to tell us how she insisted on sending you the drugs. We want to help you, but won't be able to if you don't help us. We're your only friends right now, and you've gotta think if you want to do five years for this





After both confess, both are charged, and both convicted... Only later do they learn that a cop promising leaniancy or "help" in exchange for cooperation is worthless. Only later do they learn that both them and their boy/girlfriend were both sold the same line about how the cops know it was the other party at fault, and that the cops weren't really interested in them.


Only later are they told that if they had shut up, they'd never have been convicted (or in the case of the sender, could have gotten a good chance of aquital and a good plea bargain).


That said I doubt the feds will care. Most likely they will simply investigate and pass on the investigation to the local state prosecutor for charging decisions.... but either way, shut the fuck up, and tell that girl too.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" *DELETED* [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8028393 - 02/15/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: Chemy]
    #8028450 - 02/15/08 05:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Are you saying the pills were mailed in a letter envelope? Not even a bubble mailer that costs $0.50.




Im not sure. I didnt ask my friend what type of envelop im assuming just a normal letter envelop, that was probably his first mistake. Or his girlfriends' I should say. Dumb bitches.



Dumb bitches would the correct term.

Your friend needs to stay clean for a long time because I assume the authorities can use that idiotic case to obtain a search warrant and serve it at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME.




My friend lives with his parents, thats going to be pretty rough for him.

I think as long as his girlfriend keeps her mouth shut, and he does the same. They have no proof that he ever expected this package. And it was never delivered so he was never in possession of the package either.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8029982 - 02/16/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Some lackey postal worker with an acheing back probably took his shit and wrote that little message on the envelope themselves just to scare your friend. Few people would be stupid enough to actually report that their drugs were missing from their envelope so the postal worker got a free high.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8030381 - 02/16/08 08:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It sounds like he is going to be alright he just needs to have someone else deliver his goodies instead of USPS.




Wrong, USPS is always your best bet! Private couriers like UPS and Fedex can do whatever the fuck they want, but as a government agency the USPS is legally prohibited from opening and searching first class and priority mail without a warrant. It sounds like your friend just needs to insist that it's packaged properly so it doesn't pop open in transit. :tongue:


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: Ythan]
    #8030747 - 02/16/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It sounds like he is going to be alright he just needs to have someone else deliver his goodies instead of USPS.




Wrong, USPS is always your best bet! Private couriers like UPS and Fedex can do whatever the fuck they want, but as a government agency the USPS is legally prohibited from opening and searching first class and priority mail without a warrant. It sounds like your friend just needs to insist that it's packaged properly so it doesn't pop open in transit. :tongue:





right on the money.

first class, priority, and express are warrant-protected

But yeah, tape that shit up propoer, just don't go overboard, as fully taped seams (as well as express parcels) are supposedly a profiler for illicit packages


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: Ythan]
    #8030949 - 02/16/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It sounds like he is going to be alright he just needs to have someone else deliver his goodies instead of USPS.




Wrong, USPS is always your best bet! Private couriers like UPS and Fedex can do whatever the fuck they want, but as a government agency the USPS is legally prohibited from opening and searching first class and priority mail without a warrant. It sounds like your friend just needs to insist that it's packaged properly so it doesn't pop open in transit. :tongue:




What do you think the probability is that my buddy will encounter any legal issues from this sticky situation?

I told him that the post office probably has better things to do than persue a package with a couple of pills in it, but I really dont know and I was more trying to calm him since he was already paranoid.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8031574 - 02/16/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

from the feds, slim;

from the local authorities, high. I would be surprised if the postal inspectors or whomever doesn't pass along the info to the local prosecutor, though who knows if they'd decide to charge you


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: johnm214]
    #8031600 - 02/16/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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from the feds, slim;

from the local authorities, high. I would be surprised if the postal inspectors or whomever doesn't pass along the info to the local prosecutor, though who knows if they'd decide to charge you




Why would they charge me? Its my friend who is in all this trouble. I think even if they did charge him they would have a very hard time proving anything, especially since he will claim he had no idea about the packages contents and the fact they he never even received said package.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8032028 - 02/16/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

whether or not he recieved it doesn't matter. If he knew about it he's still guilty of attempted possession under federal law and likely state law.

Additionally he's also possibly guilty of distribution, attempt/conspiracy, but I don't know what the definition of this word is as applied, i.e. could he be guilty if he was the end user?

And yeah, you're right it would be difficult to convict if they never get more evidence than they have now... but that would require him and his girlfriend to shut the fuck up... something that doesn't happen often, especially when they want people to talk.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: johnm214]
    #8032894 - 02/16/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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It sounds like he is going to be alright he just needs to have someone else deliver his goodies instead of USPS.




Wrong, USPS is always your best bet! Private couriers like UPS and Fedex can do whatever the fuck they want, but as a government agency the USPS is legally prohibited from opening and searching first class and priority mail without a warrant. It sounds like your friend just needs to insist that it's packaged properly so it doesn't pop open in transit. :tongue:





right on the money.

first class, priority, and express are warrant-protected

But yeah, tape that shit up propoer, just don't go overboard, as fully taped seams (as well as express parcels) are supposedly a profiler for illicit packages




Its funny and sad that fully taped seams are a red flag, if by seam you mean all open edges. i.e. you'd have an H shape made out of tape. Any proper packaging tutorial worth the paper its printed on will tell you to tape the top and bottom of your parcels in an H fashion.

Now obviously covering every surface of the cardboard in tape is going to be suspicious, but a properly taped box should not be.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: Ojom]
    #8033016 - 02/16/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, who knows if they even actually pay attention to that shit. It's certainly used retrospectivly to justify taking a package out of the mailstream and/or getting a warrant

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Based upon experience and drug-trafficking intelligence, the United States Postal Inspection Service has developed a drug package profile for packages deposited in the Express Mail and Priority Mail. Profile characteristics include: (1) heavy brown paper wrapping; (2)
heavily taped seams; (3) handwritten address label; (4) sent from one individual to another; (5) mailed from a zip code different from the address; and (6) a fictitious address. While it is uncertain whether any one of these criteria, standing alone, would support a finding of reasonable articulable suspicion, in various combinations these criteria might indeed support such a finding.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: johnm214]
    #8034152 - 02/17/08 10:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

jebus, put it back in the fucking mailbox and write return to sender on it.
and i hope for your friends sake the gf didnt put a return address on it, and if she did, i hope it didnt have a name.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: ZippoZ]
    #8034253 - 02/17/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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jebus, put it back in the fucking mailbox and write return to sender on it.
and i hope for your friends sake the gf didnt put a return address on it, and if she did, i hope it didnt have a name.




His girlfriend was retarded she wrote out her full name and full address at her college dormitory. I couldnt stop myself from laughing as my friend told me this.

I texted him this response since it seemed like a very good idea, but hes already thrown away the envelop and discarded the 2 notes that were inside.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8048156 - 02/20/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Based upon experience and drug-trafficking intelligence, the United States Postal Inspection Service has developed a drug package profile for packages deposited in the Express Mail and Priority Mail. Profile characteristics include: (1) heavy brown paper wrapping; (2)
heavily taped seams; (3) handwritten address label; (4) sent from one individual to another; (5) mailed from a zip code different from the address; and (6) a fictitious address. While it is uncertain whether any one of these criteria, standing alone, would support a finding of reasonable articulable suspicion, in various combinations these criteria might indeed support such a finding.




This is such BS. They wrote this up as some handy bullshit to justify pulling packages from the mail stream. The way it's written it applies to 99% of packages shipped.

People mailing things use handwritten labels and companies shipping things always tape the seams in standard fashion.

LOL about "mailed from a zip code different from the address"... WTF? That would suggest that only in-town mail would be non-suspicious.

As far as brown wrapping, that's required by postal code, unless you're using a new box you have to cover old postage and addresses, etc.


So basically the only non-suspicious package would something shipped in a new box, with poorly taped seams, sent from a company (using a printed label), to an individual living in the same zip code.

Obviously this applies to only about 10 packages a year, making 99.99% of all packages "suspicious". So it's pretty clear that they don't actually use this bit of BS as an actual criterion for screening packages. I hate seeing it quoted all the time because it makes no sense.

There is another set of guidelines that they actually DO use to screen mail. I think something of the sort has been posted here in relation to UPS or another carrier.

Basically if it looks unusual it might get a second look. If your package looks normal it will get through no problem. Just follow USPS guidelines for mailing packages. e.g. Plain, unmarked up box, properly taped seams, clearly written (or typed) real address (perhaps not yours), with contents well secured inside containers/bags, with proper packing material around them.

It's not difficult, people know what regular packages should look like. I hesitate to imagine what funky crap people have sent out trying to avoid the above BS guidelines.


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    #8048248 - 02/20/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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This is such BS. They wrote this up as some handy bullshit to justify pulling packages from the mail stream. The way it's written it applies to 99% of packages shipped.

People mailing things use handwritten labels and companies shipping things always tape the seams in standard fashion.

LOL about "mailed from a zip code different from the address"... WTF? That would suggest that only in-town mail would be non-suspicious.


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well yeah, those criteria are bullshit, of course

As I said, I don't know if they really use this in practice, and I'd bet its more likely used retrospectivly to justify a detention and hold it for a warrant.

But I'd bet the hand-written label and missing return address are probably points they do look at.


Nevertheless, it is useful, I think, to avoid falling in these criteria anyways (even though it's almost impossible). When moving to surpress, it could benifit you by showing your package shouldn't have been detained (if that detention was necessary to get a warrant or dog if one wasn't readily available) and thus been the fruit of an illegal search

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[l]aw enforcement authorities must possess a reasonable suspicion based on articulable facts that a package contains contraband before they may detain the package for investigation," United States v. Johnson, 171 F.3d 601, 603 (8th Cir. 1999)


(I don't know if this is the law nationwide)


Here's a link to the opinion where I got that from:


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=il&vol=81920&invol=1


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: ZippoZ]
    #9213505 - 11/09/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Here in Canada we have companys that deliver packages province wide express for 20$. So you get next day shipping and no chance of anyone opening it.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: win]
    #9213801 - 11/09/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

why no chance of anyone opening it?  Express is one of the more dangerous means to send a package in the states as far as liklihood of getting a warrant or search.


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