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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: johnm214]
    #8034152 - 02/17/08 10:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

jebus, put it back in the fucking mailbox and write return to sender on it.
and i hope for your friends sake the gf didnt put a return address on it, and if she did, i hope it didnt have a name.


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: ZippoZ]
    #8034253 - 02/17/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Capatalistc nomad said:
jebus, put it back in the fucking mailbox and write return to sender on it.
and i hope for your friends sake the gf didnt put a return address on it, and if she did, i hope it didnt have a name.




His girlfriend was retarded she wrote out her full name and full address at her college dormitory. I couldnt stop myself from laughing as my friend told me this.

I texted him this response since it seemed like a very good idea, but hes already thrown away the envelop and discarded the 2 notes that were inside.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8048156 - 02/20/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Based upon experience and drug-trafficking intelligence, the United States Postal Inspection Service has developed a drug package profile for packages deposited in the Express Mail and Priority Mail. Profile characteristics include: (1) heavy brown paper wrapping; (2)
heavily taped seams; (3) handwritten address label; (4) sent from one individual to another; (5) mailed from a zip code different from the address; and (6) a fictitious address. While it is uncertain whether any one of these criteria, standing alone, would support a finding of reasonable articulable suspicion, in various combinations these criteria might indeed support such a finding.




This is such BS. They wrote this up as some handy bullshit to justify pulling packages from the mail stream. The way it's written it applies to 99% of packages shipped.

People mailing things use handwritten labels and companies shipping things always tape the seams in standard fashion.

LOL about "mailed from a zip code different from the address"... WTF? That would suggest that only in-town mail would be non-suspicious.

As far as brown wrapping, that's required by postal code, unless you're using a new box you have to cover old postage and addresses, etc.


So basically the only non-suspicious package would something shipped in a new box, with poorly taped seams, sent from a company (using a printed label), to an individual living in the same zip code.

Obviously this applies to only about 10 packages a year, making 99.99% of all packages "suspicious". So it's pretty clear that they don't actually use this bit of BS as an actual criterion for screening packages. I hate seeing it quoted all the time because it makes no sense.

There is another set of guidelines that they actually DO use to screen mail. I think something of the sort has been posted here in relation to UPS or another carrier.

Basically if it looks unusual it might get a second look. If your package looks normal it will get through no problem. Just follow USPS guidelines for mailing packages. e.g. Plain, unmarked up box, properly taped seams, clearly written (or typed) real address (perhaps not yours), with contents well secured inside containers/bags, with proper packing material around them.

It's not difficult, people know what regular packages should look like. I hesitate to imagine what funky crap people have sent out trying to avoid the above BS guidelines.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: fastfred]
    #8048248 - 02/20/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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fastfred said:
This is such BS. They wrote this up as some handy bullshit to justify pulling packages from the mail stream. The way it's written it applies to 99% of packages shipped.

People mailing things use handwritten labels and companies shipping things always tape the seams in standard fashion.

LOL about "mailed from a zip code different from the address"... WTF? That would suggest that only in-town mail would be non-suspicious.


-FF




well yeah, those criteria are bullshit, of course

As I said, I don't know if they really use this in practice, and I'd bet its more likely used retrospectivly to justify a detention and hold it for a warrant.

But I'd bet the hand-written label and missing return address are probably points they do look at.


Nevertheless, it is useful, I think, to avoid falling in these criteria anyways (even though it's almost impossible). When moving to surpress, it could benifit you by showing your package shouldn't have been detained (if that detention was necessary to get a warrant or dog if one wasn't readily available) and thus been the fruit of an illegal search

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[l]aw enforcement authorities must possess a reasonable suspicion based on articulable facts that a package contains contraband before they may detain the package for investigation," United States v. Johnson, 171 F.3d 601, 603 (8th Cir. 1999)


(I don't know if this is the law nationwide)


Here's a link to the opinion where I got that from:


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=il&vol=81920&invol=1


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: ZippoZ]
    #9213505 - 11/09/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Here in Canada we have companys that deliver packages province wide express for 20$. So you get next day shipping and no chance of anyone opening it.


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Re: USPS package "damaged in handling" and "under investigation" [Re: win]
    #9213801 - 11/09/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

why no chance of anyone opening it?  Express is one of the more dangerous means to send a package in the states as far as liklihood of getting a warrant or search.


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