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WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!!
    #8027688 - 02/15/08 03:53 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I see all these post and questions about soaking grain and simmering grains. I also still see that people think that sunflower seeds cause contams. This is very untrue. As for soaking or simmering for hatching endospores and lowering the risk of contaminants I would say it isn't necessary for wbs although I would recommend it for rye.

I used to mix wbs and water at a 2:1 ratio in the jar and pc for an hour and everything was good as far as contaminants go. The grain would be a little lumpy but shaking the jar while it was still warm would take care of this problem. Now I do something a little different and I am very happy with the results.

With either Rye, which is a much better spawn/substrate for growing, or wbs I simmer and rinse. I find that there is no need to soak to kill endospores or to get the right moisture content. This is with both grains.

So here it is with pics. I only needed to make one jar and I wanted to demonstrate this using both grains so I took 2 cups wbs and 2 cups rye and put them in a pot. (The same pot that I melted the syringes in last night)
The wbs

Adding the Rye. You can see the dust coming off the rye. This stuff is dirty

Adding water. I usually fill it to an inch or two above the seed. Water content will be figured out later

I bring it to a boil and then turn it down and put on the lid

I then scoop the sunflower seeds out. I do not try to get all of them. These will not cause contams, they will not screw up the water content, they do not have bad oils, they do not increase the potency of active species. The only reason I remove them is for better consistency of the grain. Consistency isn't meaning water content.


I take a seed out and pinch it. You do not want a dry core. it should be soft, wet, and the shell should be intact. Again this is for consistency, not for contamination. Cracked seeds stick to others
Notice the amount of water that is still in there


Now I drain the excess water off of it and rinse. Notice the dark brown syrup coming off of it. This is the sticky stuff.


Now I rinse until the water is clear. It only takes a minute. I also use cool water to cool the seed. If hot grain is left out it will continue drying out which is not what you want. Notice the steam in the picture.


I jar it up to just about 3/4 full. If the grain was sticky or lumpy this would be way too full. There would not be enough head room to break up the lumps.


Here is a video of the grain 2 days after it cools and it has not been shaken yet.


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: tahoe]
    #8028399 - 02/15/08 06:48 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)



I'd never jar them up that wet.... The grain should be dry to the touch when handled before you put it in the jar. And the soaking is to open the seeds up and soften them. I recommend soaking before a quick simmer, as I've never had issues with this method. (Rye)

And like tahoe said, Rye>WBS.


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #8033245 - 02/17/08 12:56 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I want them to have as much water as possible. Dry to touch means less moisture.


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: tahoe]
    #8033279 - 02/17/08 01:08 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

please remove my photos you copied from my Flickr account and uploaded onto the public domain without my permission and are using as you're avatar and signature, tahoe

get you're own photos

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/43659/2004325302560873485_fs.jpg



please remove this photo from the shroomery servers


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: tahoe]
    #8033406 - 02/17/08 01:57 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I have a pic just like that Tahoe! We must have taken a pic of the same thing from different angles. :smile:


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Edited by FooMan (02/17/08 03:33 AM)


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: FooMan]
    #8033438 - 02/17/08 02:11 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

LOLOLOLOL well now.

so looks like ya been busy up there.

:smile:


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: FooMan]
    #8033471 - 02/17/08 02:23 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

it's pretty lame using other peoples photos like that. Most people I know would be embarrassed to get caught like that

Not you tho, you're proud of the fact you're to dumb to make your own photos

lack of creativity, originality and IQ is no way to go through life, son


Edited by auweia (02/17/08 02:24 AM)


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: auweia]
    #8033474 - 02/17/08 02:24 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

dude like my pillow ????? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOOL

:smile:


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: smily]
    #8033493 - 02/17/08 02:33 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about this

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14930672@N04/2136217539/in/set-72157603547149199/

notice the 'all rights reserved' next to the photo


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: FooMan]
    #8034009 - 02/17/08 09:57 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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FooManShroom said:
I have a pic just like that Tahoe! We must have taken a pic of the same thing from different angles. :smile:






image is simply flipped from my original





and I'm watching the biggest lemming of all

oh, and thanks for all the free publicity for my photos. You know you're a star when you get you're own stalker. I'm honored


Edited by auweia (02/17/08 09:59 AM)


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: auweia]
    #8034333 - 02/17/08 12:30 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

This is my master peice. I call it "Traffic"
To me it shows the adaptability of mushrooms to thrive in the ever so populated areas of the inner cities.



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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: auweia]
    #8034356 - 02/17/08 12:38 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

auweia said:

lack of creativity, originality and IQ is no way to go through life, son




Lack of IQ keeps you from realizing that they are all making fun of you for being a little bitch.
You know the terms of my with drawl. Publicly admit that you are a bitch, stop talking shit to me in the hunting forum, stop bringing drama to the hunting forum, stop pointing out macroscopic differences like a blue spot on a stem and claiming that it is a sub species, stop acting like you know anything about mycology, stop spreading your stupid theories as fact, and keep my name out of your mouth.
I have not directed any comments towards you for months and out of the blue your popped up and start running your mouth about me again.
Shut your fucking mouth and I will with drawl.


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auweia said:
I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about this

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14930672@N04/2136217539/in/set-72157603547149199/

notice the 'all rights reserved' next to the photo




That is flikrs 'all rights reserved' not yours.


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: tahoe]
    #8034376 - 02/17/08 12:45 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

tahoe said:
Quote:

auweia said:

lack of creativity, originality and IQ is no way to go through life, son




Lack of IQ keeps you from realizing that they are all making fun of you for being a little bitch.
You know the terms of my with drawl. Publicly admit that you are a bitch, stop talking shit to me in the hunting forum, stop bringing drama to the hunting forum, stop pointing out macroscopic differences like a blue spot on a stem and claiming that it is a sub species, stop acting like you know anything about mycology, stop spreading your stupid theories as fact, and keep my name out of your mouth.
I have not directed any comments towards you for months and out of the blue your popped up and start running your mouth about me again.
Shut your fucking mouth and I will with drawl.


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auweia said:
I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about this

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14930672@N04/2136217539/in/set-72157603547149199/

notice the 'all rights reserved' next to the photo




That is flikrs 'all rights reserved' not yours.




no that's my all rights reserved

please remove my photos from your avatar and signature

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004011217073091907

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004011217073091907

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/avatars/119168a1203113911.jpg



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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: auweia]
    #8034377 - 02/17/08 12:45 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

auweia said:
it's pretty lame using other peoples photos like that. Most people I know would be embarrassed to get caught like that

Not you tho, you're proud of the fact you're to dumb to make your own photos





It's a photo. Why would I be "embarrassed". You should be embarrassed that you're still crying about this shit. You're also dumb enough to take a pic of nature and have the balls to call it "your work". Get over yourself and get a fucking life. Your last 30 or so posts have all been about these photos. :hissyfit:


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: FooMan]
    #8034383 - 02/17/08 12:47 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

thank you for removing the photo from your signature.

you'll never hear about this from me again

thanks again


Edited by auweia (02/17/08 12:49 PM)


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: auweia]
    #8034393 - 02/17/08 12:50 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Please keep your posts "on topic". This is the cultivation forum.


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: auweia]
    #8034399 - 02/17/08 12:52 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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thank you for removing the photo from your signature.

you'll never hear about this from me again

thanks again




It was only removed because I couldn't fit it in with all of your bitching posts in my sig. Trust me, I will post this pic everywhere I can online just out of principle.


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: auweia]
    #8034407 - 02/17/08 12:55 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

correction

please remove my photo from your avatar





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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: FooMan]
    #8034412 - 02/17/08 12:58 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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Please keep your posts "on topic". This is the cultivation forum.




Yeah I know, and I've never even been part of this forum. I'm only here because you're using my photos, and you obviously don;t respect other people.


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Re: WBS and Rye? To Soak or Simmer?? Find All the Answers Here!! [Re: auweia]
    #8034435 - 02/17/08 01:06 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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I'm only here because you're using my photos, and you obviously don;t respect other people.




People??? Respect? Respect is earned. Stop being a little bitch, admit that you were wrong for running your mouth the other day and starting this feud up again and I will with drawl. Please stop using my screen name in an ill manner and I will with drawl from this.
You know the terms of this. Abide by them and there will be peace.
Is it really too much to ask that you be mature?


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